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[ms.read]

only 20 more posts to go to get my avatar. (I think?)

Anyway, what do you think about consensual incest between a brother and sister(obviously over the age of consent!)?

I saw a show of Oprah or Dr. Phil awhile back and it really interested me. there was this husband and wife that were both adopted when they were young. They find out that they are biologically brother and sister and should not have kids.

What kind of mindset did it put that couple in? Does being related by blood cancel out that you're in love with this person?

 

[FurryFury]

This is the sort of layered look I was talking about btw.

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[CutieMouse]

I think I have a few ideas -

Being judgemental isn't necessarily a bad thing...

People who ignore all common sense (in spite of their own intuition, warnings from others, available information) kind of deserve what they get.

Signed,

A grumpy mouse

 

[FurryFury]

only 20 more posts to go to get my avatar. (I think?)

Anyway, what do you think about consensual incest between a brother and sister(obviously over the age of consent!)?

I saw a show of Oprah or Dr. Phil awhile back and it really interested me. there was this husband and wife that were both adopted when they were young. They find out that they are biologically brother and sister and should not have kids.

What kind of mindset did it put that couple in? Does being related by blood cancel out that you're in love with this person?

I doubt it can cancel out love. Being related by blood doesn't mean much emotionally when you didn't grow up together or have those shared experiences and expectations, IMO.

This reminds me of the Flowers In the Attic books. Two people who knew they were siblings fell in love with one another but due to their strange situation, I as a reader, didn't fault them for it.

Since then V.C. Andrews who died some years ago, somehow keeps writing books but they are not so ugly as they used to be. They've been watered down.

 

[FurryFury]

I think I have a few ideas -

Being judgemental isn't necessarily a bad thing...

People who ignore all common sense (in spite of their own intuition, warnings from others, available information) kind of deserve what they get.

Signed,

A grumpy mouse

I agree with you about that Grumpy Cutie Mouse.

*hug*

 

[intothewoods]

I think I have a few ideas -

Being judgemental isn't necessarily a bad thing...

People who ignore all common sense (in spite of their own intuition, warnings from others, available information) kind of deserve what they get.

Signed,

A grumpy mouse

I always say that! There's nothing wrong with making judgments. It's called using your brain.

 

[CutieMouse]

What? No one is going to throw out the argument that we shouldn't judge people for their kinks, or that those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones and stuff? Drat! It isn't as debatable a thing as I thought it was! LOL

 

[intothewoods]

It's definitely something of a fine line. I think it's not particularly helpful to say a person is bad because of something they do or want to do. But I think it's okay to say, you know what, that's an unhealthy behavior. That behavior is risky. That behavior might hurt other people, like your kids. Or all of the above!

Some lines are easily drawn in the sand. Most of us on here will agree, for example, that children should not be exposed to the lifestyle. Okay, so that's easy. Where I think it gets murky is when a particular kink grows out of emotional hurt or damage. Sometimes the kink is cathartic, but you know, sometimes, maybe it's not. (And yes, there are plenty of unhealthy vanillas out there)

I tell ya. And the usual disclaimer, first, that I'm new to this and what the fuck do I know...but I've met some wonderful people, and I've met some people I think are very troubled, who make decisions I don't really agree with. I don't tell them off or anything, but it makes me wonder how I fit into this lifestyle. It's just something I struggle with. Where I'll fit in when the dust settles.

 

[sutherngent985]

only 20 more posts to go to get my avatar. (I think?)

Anyway, what do you think about consensual incest between a brother and sister(obviously over the age of consent!)?

I saw a show of Oprah or Dr. Phil awhile back and it really interested me. there was this husband and wife that were both adopted when they were young. They find out that they are biologically brother and sister and should not have kids.

What kind of mindset did it put that couple in? Does being related by blood cancel out that you're in love with this person?

Having been adopted, Ive thought alot about this. I always wondered What if I end up with someone and she turns out to be my real sister? I never did. I found my birth mom about 14 yrs ago and we had a great relationship up until she passed almost 3 yrs ago. I didnt feel as close to her as I do to my adoptive mom, the lady who raised me, but we had a close relationship. My brother and sisters on the other hand, while we got along, it wasnt as close as if we had grown up together. I mean here is this total stranger who comes into your life and says Hi...Im your brother or mother. So I think even though this couple are related by blood, it isnt like they grew up together...to me that would be the killer, not just being blood relatives. But thats me...Im sure there are people out there who that situation would blow them apart mentally.

 

[Puman]

only 20 more posts to go to get my avatar. (I think?)

Anyway, what do you think about consensual incest between a brother and sister(obviously over the age of consent!)?

I saw a show of Oprah or Dr. Phil awhile back and it really interested me. there was this husband and wife that were both adopted when they were young. They find out that they are biologically brother and sister and should not have kids.

What kind of mindset did it put that couple in? Does being related by blood cancel out that you're in love with this person?

I have a sassy 14 yr old god child, who demanded that her biological father find ALL his love children, so that she could meet them to avoid this exact problem. (Though where the idea came from is anyone's guess). Apparently he spent many years sewing his wild oats... she's met 4 of her half brothers and sisters since making the demand.... 2 of them live in her neighbourhood.... ... scary stuff when you think about it...

 

[sutherngent985]

I have a sassy 14 yr old god child, who demanded that her biological father find ALL his love children, so that she could meet them to avoid this exact problem. (Though where the idea came from is anyone's guess). Apparently he spent many years sewing his wild oats... she's met 4 of her half brothers and sisters since making the demand.... 2 of them live in her neighbourhood.... ... scary stuff when you think about it...

I was lucky in that respect...looking back anyway. I never lived anywhere near my birth family, altho I do have a couple of sisters that I....never mind LOL

 

[ownedsubgal]

only 20 more posts to go to get my avatar. (I think?)

Anyway, what do you think about consensual incest between a brother and sister(obviously over the age of consent!)?

I saw a show of Oprah or Dr. Phil awhile back and it really interested me. there was this husband and wife that were both adopted when they were young. They find out that they are biologically brother and sister and should not have kids.

What kind of mindset did it put that couple in? Does being related by blood cancel out that you're in love with this person?

of course not. the idea of brother/sister incest has never appealed to me, but it's never bothered me either. probably because i have no siblings, so can't relate to the dynamics. but i definitely don't find it to be "bad" if it's all consensual, and think folks should mind their own business.

as far as incest goes, i've always had very strong Father/daughter fantasies. this is definitely due to the fact that growing up i was totally head over heels in love with my Dad...he could do no wrong in my eyes, i worshipped him, thought the sun rose and set on him. even as a child i remember having fantasies of him touching me or kissing me in what most would consider to be un-fatherly ways. once when i was about 9, when he was tucking me in for bed and about to give me the usual smooch on my forehead, i moved my head so that he kissed me right smack on the lips. i remember my heart was racing and i was so terrified that he would slap me or think i was some sort of freak. instead he looked startled for a second, then kissed me again on the mouth, smiled and left. from that night on, he always gave me my goodnight kiss on the mouth.

 

[saw_man1]

Why do so many of the people in this lifestyle dress like slobs? I have been to far too many events where I felt the urge to buy many of the people there a bottle of Tide and an iron.

 

[graceanne]

Why do so many of the people in this lifestyle dress like slobs? I have been to far too many events where I felt the urge to buy many of the people there a bottle of Tide and an iron.

LOL

I don't generally dress like a slob, unless I'm really sick or really tired. And even then my clothes are clean and I'm wearing a bra.

But then look at the number of teeny boppers these days who wear their PJ's outside. You know, flannel pants and a tshirt. Or the whole 'grunge' look. *gag*

 

[northwoods_sub]

I have to agree graceanne. I always try to present myself in a clean tidy manner.
I go to college and it is amazing to me how many people come to class in their pajamas without even washing their hair or anything *gag*. If I can't get myself up, showered and dressed decently, I don't leave the house.

 

[FurryFury]

Why do so many of the people in this lifestyle dress like slobs? I have been to far too many events where I felt the urge to buy many of the people there a bottle of Tide and an iron.

Seriously? They do?? At lifestyle events??? Well I never!

I dress up and a bit more the way I'd prefer to dress always.

Oh and for those who said that they don't look in the mirror or dress for anyone or any situation. I find that hard to believe. Do you mean to testify to me that the way you dress to work in the yard is the same way you dress to work in a professional setting, go to the theater or for a lifestyle event because I don't buy it. I really don't.

 

[graceanne]

I have to agree graceanne. I always try to present myself in a clean tidy manner.
I go to college and it is amazing to me how many people come to class in their pajamas without even washing their hair or anything *gag*. If I can't get myself up, showered and dressed decently, I don't leave the house.

That's just laziness, frankly. I like to sleep in so I wash my hair at night. I did it that way all through highschool, too. If you keep sleeping through the alarm, or whatever, then you need to move your day around so that you're showering at other times.

Beyond that, I can get ready (including a light amount of makeup) in about twenty to thirty minutes, mostly cause I don't dither about my clothes and I shower in the evenings. It does not take that long to put on a clean pair of jeans, a tshirt, run a brush through your hair and brush your teeth and wash your face.

 

[intothewoods]

I look at some D/s relationships and I think, man, why does that guy get to be a Douchebag and call it D/s? D/s is more than a Top who's an asshole, right?

TPE is one thing. But when the bottom no longer thinks for herself or himself (but I gotta say, I mostly see this in Male/female relationships)? I just don't think that's healthy, even if it is consensual.

 

[Netzach]

I look at some D/s relationships and I think, man, why does that guy get to be a Douchebag and call it D/s? D/s is more than a Top who's an asshole, right?

TPE is one thing. But when the bottom no longer thinks for herself or himself (but I gotta say, I mostly see this in Male/female relationships)? I just don't think that's healthy, even if it is consensual.

What drives me nuts is that I don't care what you do alone at home. I don't care what disgusting things you do to each other.

It's when you feel you have to FLAG "I'M AN ASSHOLE" to the point where everyone outside the dynamic thinks what an asshole you are that it's really old.

 

[catalina_francisco]

TPE is one thing. But when the bottom no longer thinks for herself or himself (but I gotta say, I mostly see this in Male/female relationships)? I just don't think that's healthy, even if it is consensual.

I'm in a TPE M/f relationship and it is expected I think and manage things he doesn't like managing. There are quite a few threads around here dealing with the misconceptions and stereotyped myths which are supposed to be 'real TPE' or 24/7, being mindless as the submissive being one of the most common misconceptions.

Catalina

 

[intothewoods]

What drives me nuts is that I don't care what you do alone at home. I don't care what disgusting things you do to each other.

It's when you feel you have to FLAG "I'M AN ASSHOLE" to the point where everyone outside the dynamic thinks what an asshole you are that it's really old.

Yep. Out of sight, out of mind! Just keep it to your damn self.

 

[CutieMouse]

I'm in a TPE M/f relationship and it is expected I think and manage things he doesn't like managing. There are quite a few threads around here dealing with the misconceptions and stereotyped myths which are supposed to be 'real TPE' or 24/7, being mindless as the submissive being one of the most common misconceptions.

Catalina

Yes, Cat, but while all there is to go off of are posts on a message board, there are a lot of D/s relationships on places like Lit, CollarMe, etc that just make the "unhealthy relationship meter" in me go through the roof. (both online and real life)

 

[FurryFury]

Some pyls' don't think for themselves? Ever?

Personally I think assholism is a serious disease/crime that hopefully does not go hand in hand with being a PYL.

 

[intothewoods]

I'm in a TPE M/f relationship and it is expected I think and manage things he doesn't like managing. There are quite a few threads around here dealing with the misconceptions and stereotyped myths which are supposed to be 'real TPE' or 24/7, being mindless as the submissive being one of the most common misconceptions.

Catalina

Well, I said TPE in an offhand sort of way, but in fact it's primarily not 24/7 types I see this with. Really, it's a bunch of asshole guys that I think use D/s as a means to avoid confronting their asshole-ness. In my expert opinion.

 

[Netzach]

SM is not the fucking feminist backlash.

Without feminism y'all would still be believing whacking it makes you go blind. Get a clue people.