The "Fuck you Covid19" thread

[gracie920101]

because you'll survive because you're among the fittest due to smartness

Anja

Take care of you two.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Just noticed the "Spread Everything" thread near this one and thought "well, not EVERYTHING".

 

[Runbow]

I know we in Australia have it much better than most of the rest of the world, but it’s hard to see that when you are stuck inside an apartment, away from everyone you love. It’s been months now, and I think I am slowly losing my mind. It’s like getting robbed, and when you report it, the police say “Well, you know crime is down to record lows this year”. Yeah? How does that help me right now?

For most of the people I know, the issue isn’t not wanting to get vaccinated, but not being able to. They want it, they don’t care which kind, but it’s incredibly difficult to get an appointment that’s not weeks away.

Sorry for the whinge. Need to get that off my chest.

 

[gracie920101]

Just noticed the "Spread Everything" thread near this one and thought "well, not EVERYTHING".

Good point!

 

[Bramblethorn]

I know we in Australia have it much better than most of the rest of the world, but it’s hard to see that when you are stuck inside an apartment, away from everyone you love. It’s been months now, and I think I am slowly losing my mind. It’s like getting robbed, and when you report it, the police say “Well, you know crime is down to record lows this year”. Yeah? How does that help me right now?

I hear ya. We're "out of lockdown" here but still can't visit friends at home, which is the main thing I'm missing.

For most of the people I know, the issue isn’t not wanting to get vaccinated, but not being able to. They want it, they don’t care which kind, but it’s incredibly difficult to get an appointment that’s not weeks away.

Sorry for the whinge. Need to get that off my chest.

If you haven't already tried it, hotdoc.com.au might be helpful finding a slot near you. (And you/your friends are absolutely right in not being fussy about AZ vs. Pfizer.)

 

[twister947]

The new data is sobering...

 

[aussiegeekygal]

The new data is sobering...

Indeed.

I actually told my husband this has to be thought of as a secondary pandemic. I'm going through the grief again.

 

[Runbow]

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[ultramarineblue]

I don't understand why getting a vaccine has become so polarizing. I don't understand why it's become political and a matter of personal freedom. A friend's mom didn't but it was because her doctor advised that considering her medical history. I understand that but the other is hard for me to understand. I don't want to be judgmental either.

 

[wicked woman]

I don't understand why getting a vaccine has become so polarizing. I don't understand why it's become political and a matter of personal freedom. A friend's mom didn't but it was because her doctor advised that considering her medical history. I understand that but the other is hard for me to understand. I don't want to be judgmental either.

Being kind, I think some people are concerned about it's safety considering there wasn't a lot of time for testing. Who knows what any long term effects might be. Others it seems to be bringing out their rebel...you should get vaccinated...you can't make me. Here the media has added to the fear mongering. They'll blast the headlines with AZ's risk for blood clots but not put it into perspective...those birth control pills millions use have a higher risk.

 

[twister947]

According to the WAPO today, some states have seen an uptick in vaccinations since the latest data on Delta was released.

 

[ultramarineblue]

Being kind, I think some people are concerned about it's safety considering there wasn't a lot of time for testing. Who knows what any long term effects might be. Others it seems to be bringing out their rebel...you should get vaccinated...you can't make me. Here the media has added to the fear mongering. They'll blast the headlines with AZ's risk for blood clots but not put it into perspective...those birth control pills millions use have a higher risk.

I understand about concerns about long term effects of the vaccine. It did come out quickly and even though there have been previous work done to create vaccines for other sars viruses, they were underfunded. Even with that, it is reality that we don't know what the long term effects are. Around here, there are a lot of very vocal people about not taking the vaccine that also believe that masks don't help at all. They are also taking vacations and carrying on as though covid doesn't exist. We don't even really know the long term effects of covid. I guess what I am frustrated with are the people that are very vocal and obvious about not taking any precautions to prevent catching covid.

 

[Dreamliner]

History demonstrates vaccination works in controlling certain viruses.

Seeing the return of the C19 spread, especially the delta variant, and it is spreading quickly through those that are unvaccinated, I now think we should follow Darwin, let them remain unvaccinated, let it spread, the carnage will be tragic, but, in 2-3 years, balance will return, as the world saw when the Spanish flu ravaged the world 100 years ago.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Being kind, I think some people are concerned about it's safety considering there wasn't a lot of time for testing. Who knows what any long term effects might be. Others it seems to be bringing out their rebel...you should get vaccinated...you can't make me. Here the media has added to the fear mongering. They'll blast the headlines with AZ's risk for blood clots but not put it into perspective...those birth control pills millions use have a higher risk.

And any of those options are still much less likely to cause blood clots than covid infection!

History demonstrates vaccination works in controlling certain viruses.

Seeing the return of the C19 spread, especially the delta variant, and it is spreading quickly through those that are unvaccinated, I now think we should follow Darwin, let them remain unvaccinated, let it spread, the carnage will be tragic, but, in 2-3 years, balance will return, as the world saw when the Spanish flu ravaged the world 100 years ago.

(1) You're talking about infecting millions of kids who never got a choice about getting vaccinated.
(2) The more times it reproduces, the more times you're rolling the dice on a chance of mutation. Letting it spread in large unvaccinated populations is exactly how we ended up with delta.
(3) Spanish flu didn't go away. It mutated into less lethal but more contagious variants that 'only' kill about half a million people a year through direct respiratory effects, plus an unknown but large number through cardiac damage. (Only in the last few years has research shown just how much long-term damage flu does to the heart; IIRC, getting vaccinated against flu annually will reduce your risk of heart attack about as much as quitting smoking.)
(4) Contrary to popular belief, there is absolutely no guarantee that diseases like this will eventually mutate into something harmless. Smallpox was with us for millennia and still had a 30% mortality rate.

I understand the frustration with people who still refuse vaccination. But when your neighbour's house is on fire, no matter how much of a selfish stupid asshole he is, letting it burn makes it your problem too.

letting it spread in large vaccinated populations is exactly how you get dangerous variants like delta; the more it reproduces, the more times
The whole reason we got the delta variant was BECAUSE it was allowed to spread in large unvaccinated populations. The more people get it, the more chances there are for it to mutate into more dangerous forms.

 

[Dreamliner]

Bramblethon

There is a point where you will never modify the view of some pwople or culture.

Yes the Spanish flu mutated, as we know, and as C19 is mutating. But look back then, people wore masks. Not just Asian people, but white anglo saxon people. The Spanish flu ran out, due to global immunity, but it decimated the global population along the way, more than those in WW1.

How you manage that is providing medical assistance appropriate to your region or country.

As more are vaccinated, and there is less transmission the scientist are able to better target, year on year, any further spread, just as we see with the annual flu shots.

C19 is manageable, some countries, society's do not want too. That may align with their country norms. Other countries may not accept those norms, this virus will be controlled, the how, is the outcome.

We are lucky here, shut the border, issue solved. Get the majority of the population vaccinated, then open the borders in a managed process, with aligned countries.

Darwin had it right.

 

[Primalex]

I understand about concerns about long term effects of the vaccine.

I already don't understand the definition of "long term effects".

What are we talking about? The effects in a year? two? three? ten? twenty?

 

[Bramblethorn]

after reading the viewpoints of the two of Y/you and thinking about what each of Y/you have typed i think maybe why not putting those who don't want to be vaccinated somewhere together where they can't leave and then put the delta virus there and let darwin play it to the end? that way those that cannot be vaccinated (yet) are safe what about that?

Somehow I doubt they'd cooperate with the process...

 

[Moochienanu]

I had to get tested last week.
I had to get tested last week because people who work with the sick are getting lax about their social distancing and their masking.
I had to get tested because two of the people I work with and thought I could trust had a masks optional wedding where several unvaccinated people went and then my coworkers came to work with symptoms and spread C19 to others.
I had to get tested because even though I’m vaccinated, I have a high-contact job and could have been spreading without knowing - and that’s not okay.
I had to get tested last week because I have a 6yo at home who can’t be vaccinated yet.
I had to get tested last week and make a plan with my husband about what to do if it came back positive.
I had to get tested last week and it makes me so mad
Because I know that this won’t be the last time I need to be tested like this.

 

[ultramarineblue]

I already don't understand the definition of "long term effects".

What are we talking about? The effects in a year? two? three? ten? twenty?

I would think all of those qualify as long term.

I had to get tested last week.
I had to get tested last week because people who work with the sick are getting lax about their social distancing and their masking.
I had to get tested because two of the people I work with and thought I could trust had a masks optional wedding where several unvaccinated people went and then my coworkers came to work with symptoms and spread C19 to others.
I had to get tested because even though I’m vaccinated, I have a high-contact job and could have been spreading without knowing - and that’s not okay.
I had to get tested last week because I have a 6yo at home who can’t be vaccinated yet.
I had to get tested last week and make a plan with my husband about what to do if it came back positive.
I had to get tested last week and it makes me so mad
Because I know that this won’t be the last time I need to be tested like this.

 

[aussiegeekygal]

History demonstrates vaccination works in controlling certain viruses.

Seeing the return of the C19 spread, especially the delta variant, and it is spreading quickly through those that are unvaccinated, I now think we should follow Darwin, let them remain unvaccinated, let it spread, the carnage will be tragic, but, in 2-3 years, balance will return, as the world saw when the Spanish flu ravaged the world 100 years ago.

There are essentially two types of vaccines; those to prevent illness and those to prevent death. The COVID-19 vaccines are the latter. All evidence leads to significantly less lethal outcomes for the vaccinated. The carnage isn't going to be confined to covid, either. As hospitals overflow there will still be emergencies that require the same resources that covid patients demand. That has to be a consideration.

 

[Dreamliner]

There are essentially two types of vaccines; those to prevent illness and those to prevent death. The COVID-19 vaccines are the latter. All evidence leads to significantly less lethal outcomes for the vaccinated. The carnage isn't going to be confined to covid, either. As hospitals overflow there will still be emergencies that require the same resources that covid patients demand. That has to be a consideration.

Some regions that have the spread out of control are experiencing that agg. It is for that reason it is a key risk to manage as C19 spread can quickly overwhelm medical facilities.

Being vaccinated also helps in managing an infection. There is a higher survival outcome with less damage to the body.

This new Llambda strain in South America could be a worry if as they say, it is more contagious than delta.

 

[MeekMe]

You’re so wrong and off I can’t even describe it. Everything you just said is horrible. What about little kids? The immunosuppressed? The elderly? The last 2 groups may have gotten vaccines, but they don’t uptake as well.

Immunosuppressed, here! Totally agree that I don’t want a variant ripping through my community (it very much is and I’ve almost completely stopped going out). I’m fully vaccinated but it likely isn’t enough to keep me safe. The studies recently published are mixed information from how effective a vaccine is in my system as well as how I’ll fair when adding DMARDS to my movie theatre snack pack of meds.

I do what I need to to stay as safe as possible, but the assholes running around not giving a fuck are making it harder to do that.

Every day I’m reminded my fellow humans lack basic empathy and this thinking is exactly representative of that.

 

[IrisAlthea]

I already don't understand the definition of "long term effects".

What are we talking about? The effects in a year? two? three? ten? twenty?

For some of the more reality adverse, it’s probably about 5g or something like that.
Here, a lot ov the vaccine fear comes from the cases of narcolepsy among teenagers who took the H1N1 vaccine. The fact that actually getting H1N1 would have been just as bad or worse, just doesn’t sink in.

Somehow I doubt they'd cooperate with the process...

Well, judgeing from the reactions to Covid passes - probably not.

 

[Dreamliner]

You’re so wrong and off I can’t even describe it. Everything you just said is horrible. What about little kids? The immunosuppressed? The elderly? The last 2 groups may have gotten vaccines, but they don’t uptake as well.

Immunosuppressed, here! Totally agree that I don’t want a variant ripping through my community (it very much is and I’ve almost completely stopped going out). I’m fully vaccinated but it likely isn’t enough to keep me safe.

Every day I’m reminded my fellow humans lack basic empathy and this thinking is exactly representative of that.

You misread what I am saying. I do empathise, I am concerned. The majority do get vaccinated and are mindful in taking precautions to manage any risk of transmission. Unfortunately, there are a percentage that do not care, that will not follow even basic virus protocols, and we have seen the tragic consequences of that.

Darwin then comes into play, it is interesting to now read people who were originally deniers, after contracting C19, being supporters of vaccination and basic protocols, sanitisers and masks.

 

[MeekMe]

History demonstrates vaccination works in controlling certain viruses.

Seeing the return of the C19 spread, especially the delta variant, and it is spreading quickly through those that are unvaccinated, I now think we should follow Darwin, let them remain unvaccinated, let it spread, the carnage will be tragic, but, in 2-3 years, balance will return, as the world saw when the Spanish flu ravaged the world 100 years ago.

Can’t wait to die so balance can return.