The "Fuck you Covid19" thread

[gracie920101]

A friend was buried today...a good woman who never failed to improve my mood and put a smile on my face. I'm in a bit of a funk.
But there's good news: I got my booster. No side effects.

I'm sorry for your loss, Dave. I'm glad you have had someone like that in your life.

I don't know as I want the booster after having such a tough time with the first 2 injections.

 

[KimGordon67]

Well, my state is coming out of lockdown on Thursday night. Our case numbers seem to have levelled off and I'm hoping they'll fall as vaccination rates continue to rise - slow start but we're really catching up now.

ACT (our capital city plus surrounds) has just hit 99% first-dose vaccination for ages 12+, which is amazing. I wouldn't have expected that to be possible.

ACT is a fairly peculiar population though eh? I've only visited there briefly, but I remember finding it quite odd, in a very ordered sort of way.

 

[Bramblethorn]

ACT is a fairly peculiar population though eh? I've only visited there briefly, but I remember finding it quite odd, in a very ordered sort of way.

Yeah, ACT is unusual. Lots of government and university folk so people are generally vacc-friendly, everybody's close to healthcare services (unlike places like WA/NT where remoteness is a big challenge), almost everybody has good English which probably simplifies public health outreach, basically all the things you could ask for in vaccination.

...meanwhile, we were chatting with our neighbour yesterday. He told us a lot of his family are anti-vaxx; seven of his cousins have caught the bug and three died, all non-vaccinated. It somehow feels more tragic at this point where virtually all those deaths are preventable. Some people have a LOT of blood on their hands.

 

[KimGordon67]

Yeah, ACT is unusual. Lots of government and university folk so people are generally vacc-friendly, everybody's close to healthcare services (unlike places like WA/NT where remoteness is a big challenge), almost everybody has good English which probably simplifies public health outreach, basically all the things you could ask for in vaccination.

...meanwhile, we were chatting with our neighbour yesterday. He told us a lot of his family are anti-vaxx; seven of his cousins have caught the bug and three died, all non-vaccinated. It somehow feels more tragic at this point where virtually all those deaths are preventable. Some people have a LOT of blood on their hands.

Yes, remoteness is an issue here too - e.g. my mum still isn't vaxxed, simply because it's hard to for her to access (and the one time she made a real effort, the pop up vaxx station wasn't where she was told it would be). I feel a little like our vaccination programme has been designed to reach the same sort of people as the people who did the designing. But if you're remote, don't have the internet, work shitty hours, or just have a chaotic life, it's not so easy.

This is awful news about your neighbour's family. I have heard anti-vaxxers compared to terrorists in terms of the number of deaths they're responsible for, as part of the argument for mandating vaccination - we don't let terrorists have free rein, so why anti-vaxxers? But then there's the bodily autonomy argument ... I'm still struggling with mandated vaxing.

 

[Bramblethorn]

This is awful news about your neighbour's family. I have heard anti-vaxxers compared to terrorists in terms of the number of deaths they're responsible for, as part of the argument for mandating vaccination - we don't let terrorists have free rein, so why anti-vaxxers? But then there's the bodily autonomy argument ... I'm still struggling with mandated vaxing.

"Bodily autonomy" arguments get complicated when one's own choices are creating risks for others: passive smoking, drink-driving, etc. etc. I think most folk acknowledge the need for some kind of compromise between individuals' freedom to make their own choices, and protecting people from being harmed by others' poor choices. The question is just where to set that compromise.

The way some people talk about "freedom", you'd think governments are the only things that can threaten it. Over the last 18 months I temporarily lost a lot of important freedoms - freedom to travel, visit my friends, etc. etc. But the people who died of covid, and the ones who survived with long covid... they've lost a whole lot more freedom than I ever did.

OTOH, it's much better when people can be persuaded to get vaccinated voluntarily rather than having to resort to compulsion, and the great majority are doing just that.

 

[KimGordon67]

"Bodily autonomy" arguments get complicated when one's own choices are creating risks for others: passive smoking, drink-driving, etc. etc. I think most folk acknowledge the need for some kind of compromise between individuals' freedom to make their own choices, and protecting people from being harmed by others' poor choices. The question is just where to set that compromise.

The way some people talk about "freedom", you'd think governments are the only things that can threaten it. Over the last 18 months I temporarily lost a lot of important freedoms - freedom to travel, visit my friends, etc. etc. But the people who died of covid, and the ones who survived with long covid... they've lost a whole lot more freedom than I ever did.

OTOH, it's much better when people can be persuaded to get vaccinated voluntarily rather than having to resort to compulsion, and the great majority are doing just that.

I agree with every single thing you've said, and a whole lot of things other people have said as well ... but still something about mandating vaccination unsettles me.

There's also the fact that our PM said last year that vaccination would never be compulsory ... they can fudge that by saying it's not 'compulsory', but will be necessary if you want to work in (or remain in) certain jobs, and/or access certain services, which just leads to a playing with semantics that I also don't love.

I think more stress needs to be put on the fact that, as far as I can gather, the 'vaccine passport' situation is not permanent. Ardern did briefly allude to this in a press conference last week, but it's not something that's a particular feature of the discourse. That would also be a good argument against the 'loss of freedom' whinging ... actual dictatorships don't tend to make their dictating a short term fixture.

 

[Moochienanu]

My child, age 7, finally received their first vaccination this morning.
I about cried when the nurse told me they could do it today at the well child appointment.
There have been the longest lines and telephone waits just to jump on the if-a-patient-cancels list,
So when she said it my heart flew out of my chest as my kid literally jumped for joy.

 

[TANSTAAFL58]

My child, age 7, finally received their first vaccination this morning.
I about cried when the nurse told me they could do it today at the well child appointment.
There have been the longest lines and telephone waits just to jump on the if-a-patient-cancels list,
So when she said it my heart flew out of my chest as my kid literally jumped for joy.

That's great Moochie. That has to be a huge load off your mind!

My GS, 11 takes it as a personal insult that he couldn't get the adult vaccine and is now interested in Politics as the kids' vaccine works its way through Health Canada approvals (it is supposed to be ready here about the 1st of December.)

I guess we raised him right.

 

[twister947]

My child, age 7, finally received their first vaccination this morning.
I about cried when the nurse told me they could do it today at the well child appointment.
There have been the longest lines and telephone waits just to jump on the if-a-patient-cancels list,
So when she said it my heart flew out of my chest as my kid literally jumped for joy.

What good news...you made my night!

 

[scotluvsoral]

My child, age 7, finally received their first vaccination this morning.
I about cried when the nurse told me they could do it today at the well child appointment.
There have been the longest lines and telephone waits just to jump on the if-a-patient-cancels list,
So when she said it my heart flew out of my chest as my kid literally jumped for joy.

That is very cool, Moochie!

 

[Moochienanu]

That's great Moochie. That has to be a huge load off your mind!

My GS, 11 takes it as a personal insult that he couldn't get the adult vaccine and is now interested in Politics as the kids' vaccine works its way through Health Canada approvals (it is supposed to be ready here about the 1st of December.)

I guess we raised him right.

What good news...you made my night!

That is very cool, Moochie!

Thank you all. It has been such a relief.

 

[TANSTAAFL58]

just to follow up from yesterday:

Health Canada approved the Pfizer vaccine for 5-11 year-olds today. In a completely unprecedented display of "Common Sense" the Provincial Government says they will distribute the vaccine in schools.

Brilliant

 

[wicked woman]

just to follow up from yesterday:

Health Canada approved the Pfizer vaccine for 5-11 year-olds today. In a completely unprecedented display of "Common Sense" the Provincial Government says they will distribute the vaccine in schools.

Brilliant

Fabulous! I hadn't heard the schools part. Thankful since that means my last 2 grandchildren can get vaccinated.

 

[MeekMe]

I feel like the pandemic has put me into a weird lonely box. I feel uncomfortable saying no to social situations while everyone around me moves on. I live in a state that takes no precautions (is actively against precautions) and I have unfortunately suffered long term effects from previous infection. So I’m in this weird place of feeling like the odd one out. When I mention my apprehension it’s usually met with “yeah, understandable” but it’s really very flippant and they proceed to tell me how they are either being cautious or have their vaccinations so they’re “safe” to be around. I feel like I’m being unreasonable for wanting distance.

I have to keep telling myself that I’m the only one that will worry about my health and that saying no is okay. Saying no is okay. It’s lonely but it’s okay.

 

[cheekygirl75]

I feel like the pandemic has put me into a weird lonely box. I feel uncomfortable saying no to social situations while everyone around me moves on. I live in a state that takes no precautions (is actively against precautions) and I have unfortunately suffered long term effects from previous infection. So I’m in this weird place of feeling like the odd one out. When I mention my apprehension it’s usually met with “yeah, understandable” but it’s really very flippant and they proceed to tell me how they are either being cautious or have their vaccinations so they’re “safe” to be around. I feel like I’m being unreasonable for wanting distance.

I have to keep telling myself that I’m the only one that will worry about my health and that saying no is okay. Saying no is okay. It’s lonely but it’s okay.

I sympathize... I live with two elderly parents who are vaccinated but don't have boosters yet, and one of whom who has asthma & chronic bronchitis, and two 5 year olds who aren't vaccinated yet. Most places around here still have signs that everyone must wear masks inside, unless they're vaccinated, but I don't trust people enough to believe that only vaccinated people are not wearing masks

So I feel like I'm still mostly in lockdown, just due to not being comfortable doing social things if they're not necessary.

 

[gracie920101]

I'm starting to feel weird that I seem to be one of the few wearing a mask going into various businesses that I have to patronize.

It's like the pandemic doesn't exist for most people.

 

[TANSTAAFL58]

I'm starting to feel weird that I seem to be one of the few wearing a mask going into various businesses that I have to patronize.

It's like the pandemic doesn't exist for most people.

This is not the time to start holding back. We don't need a 4th or 5th wave (I lost count)

 

[cascadiabound]

I feel like the pandemic has put me into a weird lonely box. I feel uncomfortable saying no to social situations while everyone around me moves on. I live in a state that takes no precautions (is actively against precautions) and I have unfortunately suffered long term effects from previous infection. So I’m in this weird place of feeling like the odd one out. When I mention my apprehension it’s usually met with “yeah, understandable” but it’s really very flippant and they proceed to tell me how they are either being cautious or have their vaccinations so they’re “safe” to be around. I feel like I’m being unreasonable for wanting distance.

I have to keep telling myself that I’m the only one that will worry about my health and that saying no is okay. Saying no is okay. It’s lonely but it’s okay.

saying no is okay. Take care of you. only do what makes you comfortable and fuck everyone else.

I sympathize... I live with two elderly parents who are vaccinated but don't have boosters yet, and one of whom who has asthma & chronic bronchitis, and two 5 year olds who aren't vaccinated yet. Most places around here still have signs that everyone must wear masks inside, unless they're vaccinated, but I don't trust people enough to believe that only vaccinated people are not wearing masks

So I feel like I'm still mostly in lockdown, just due to not being comfortable doing social things if they're not necessary.

rolleyes is right. I am so over people being idiots. I also keep feeling like my discomfort doing things is looked askance. Indoor singing concerts for Christmas. no thank you.

I'm starting to feel weird that I seem to be one of the few wearing a mask going into various businesses that I have to patronize.

It's like the pandemic doesn't exist for most people.

Even during thebubonic plague which lasted for decades, 30% of people did not believe it was a real thing. Apparently as a species we are just not very smart.

This is not the time to start holding back. We don't need a 4th or 5th wave (I lost count)

Exactly right.
omg I am SO DAMN TIRED of all of it. Sick patients, dead patients, whiny patients, vaccine refusers and covid deniers, those of us who are vaccinated being held hostage by the idiots who do not believe in public health.

fuck you Covid19 and fuck the anti-vaxxers.
put a fork in me... I am DONE.

 

[Bramblethorn]

After months of working entirely virtually, got together with my co-workers for a small Christmas party on Wednesday...

...and Saturday, I got a notification that we'd been exposed to a case at the venue. So far looks like we're all negative, but some days it really doesn't feel worth coming out from under my rock.

 

[IrisAlthea]

Even during thebubonic plague which lasted for decades, 30% of people did not believe it was a real thing. Apparently as a species we are just not very smart.

Sadly true!

As for being done, I feel so bad for all of you who have to be in the middle of the worst of the consequences of all the stupid.

After months of working entirely virtually, got together with my co-workers for a small Christmas party on Wednesday...

...and Saturday, I got a notification that we'd been exposed to a case at the venue. So far looks like we're all negative, but some days it really doesn't feel worth coming out from under my rock.

Fingers crossed!

A friend of mine is married to an anti-vaccer. He calls more often to talk and it’s quite obvious that he is processing the situation with the topics that tend to come up. They have a kid together and I worry about him and his family. These are not small differences to handle.

 

[TANSTAAFL58]

Q: why do i love jokes about anti-vaxxers so much?
A: they don't get old

HAHAHAHAHA!

On the other side, I read this post on Reddit today. It is heartbreaking. To the Healthcare Professionals here (I am looking at you Fara and Moochie, but there are probably a few I am unaware of), PLEASE make sure you take care of the caretaker too (that would be you)

https://www.reddit.com/r/vaxxhappened/comments/raqbld/my_career_of_treating_patients_has_ended/

EDIT: Sorry, add C A S C A D I A (why do they censor your username ?)

 

[TANSTAAFL58]

https://www.reddit.com/r/vaxxhappened/comments/r7mh1y/more_and_more_conservative_media_leaders_are/

I would not wish the suffering that COVID brings on anyone, even someone with whom I disagree politically. (Fundamentally "Conservatives" are still friends, family and neighbors with whom I have a small disagreement about how to run the Country)...but, Payback is a Bitch, and her Stripper Name is "Karma".

Go Karma:

https://cdn012.**********/uploads/photos/2020/07/62250/bdsmlr-62250-XuFewUj4Ab.gif

 

[cascadiabound]

HAHAHAHAHA!

On the other side, I read this post on Reddit today. It is heartbreaking. To the Healthcare Professionals here (I am looking at you Fara and Moochie, but there are probably a few I am unaware of), PLEASE make sure you take care of the caretaker too (that would be you)

https://www.reddit.com/r/vaxxhappened/comments/raqbld/my_career_of_treating_patients_has_ended/

EDIT: Sorry, add C A S C A D I A (why do they censor your username ?)

that is a heart breaking story. I am so grateful I do not work in hospital. Primary care is hard enough.

AND I have no fucking idea why they have banned c a s c a d i a.
Laurel fixed it and then it broke again. She has been contact by TPH to fix it again. It is clearly not a priority for them.

Thanks for noticing.
Thanks for caring about us health care workers it matters.

 

[cascadiabound]

Does it affect you logging in, cass?

fortunately no.
Life has been very complicated and very hard on top of gd covid this year - 20-24 months.
Lots of additional family elder care taking responsibilities which have just taken up ALL of my extra everything (which frankly was very little to begin with)
followed by a series of deaths which have just left me.... sad. tired. emotionally and intellectually unavailable for Lit and so much else.

Thanks for asking.

 

[IrisAlthea]

fortunately no.
Life has been very complicated and very hard on top of gd covid this year - 20-24 months.
Lots of additional family elder care taking responsibilities which have just taken up ALL of my extra everything (which frankly was very little to begin with)
followed by a series of deaths which have just left me.... sad. tired. emotionally and intellectually unavailable for Lit and so much else.

Thanks for asking.