The lowest of the low

[PatCarrington]

And I agree we can let these rude and crude comments have their moments on the feedback portal and then with just a click, heave them into cyberspace where they belong.

Laura

i think if you delete comments, no matter how rude or crude they are, you defeat your own purpose, and in many ways.

-- you let the asshole know it bothers you, which is his/her purpose in the first place.

-- you deny others the right to see the public comment and make a judgement on its validity and etiquette, a judgement which all rational thinking tells us would force most people to come to the conclusion that you have.

-- you deny that asshole the right to free speech, the right to label himself as an asshole for all to see and know if he chooses. last time i checked, assholes were card-carrying members of the general public....and they serve a fine purpose there, as points of contrast and examples of what not to be.

 

[Jennifer C]

I see your Point

i think if you delete comments, no matter how rude or crude they are, you defeat your own purpose, and in many ways.

-- you let the asshole know it bothers you, which is his/her purpose in the first place.

-- you deny others the right to see the public comment and make a judgement on its validity and etiquette, a judgement which all rational thinking tells us would force most people to come to the conclusion that you have.

-- you deny that asshole the right to free speech, the right to label himself as an asshole for all to see and know if he chooses. last time i checked, assholes were card-carrying members of the general public....and they serve a fine purpose there, as points of contrast and examples of what not to be.

But just as that 'asshole' has the right of 'free speech' we too have the right to delete that free speech if we find it offensive or upsetting and more often than not the public comments become more about the 'asshole' than the poem or story itself...

 

[My Erotic Tale]

Originally Posted by Wanton Vixxxen
And I agree we can let these rude and crude comments have their moments on the feedback portal and then with just a click, heave them into cyberspace where they belong.

Laura


what she said he said <grin>

Ive been here long enough to know
that you gotta take the disgruntle with the intellect
have compassion for ignorance
don't sweat the numbers and enjoy writing.
When my poems post I expect two one votes
before it starts tilting back to the good.

go get 'em vixxx

 

[PatCarrington]

But just as that 'asshole' has the right of 'free speech' we too have the right to delete that free speech if we find it offensive or upsetting and more often than not the public comments become more about the 'asshole' than the poem or story itself...

you have a right to delete 'free speech' from YOUR OWN eyes,

not from everyone else's.

that's called Censorship.

 

[bluerains]

am inclined

to leave any negative feedback as a knowing that one has provoked a response of any kind toward something that I have written..good and bad ..its all inspiring.. :

 

[Guest]

Well, I for one consider the portal my poem is displayed in mine and will continue to clean out of any unpleasant, non-constructive anonymous comments as soon as I find them. Call it censorship if you will.


*snipsnip*

 

[PatCarrington]

Well, I for one consider the portal my poem is displayed in mine and will continue to clean out of any unpleasant, non-constructive anonymous comments as soon as I find them. Call it censorship if you will.


*snipsnip*

i understand how you feel, t.

but if it was only yours, then only you would be able to see it.

it's more like the street in front of a house than a bedroom, i think.

 

[Guest]

i understand how you feel, t.

but if it was only yours, then only you would be able to see it.

it's more like the street in front of a house than a bedroom, i think.

No, no. I invite the public in to see - and comment - on what I offer. Anyone can come in but, on my turf, they behave.

If a dog poops on the street in front of my house there's not much I can do but if it comes inside and does it I'm certainly not leaving it there.

 

[PatCarrington]

No, no. I invite the public in to see - and comment - on what I offer. Anyone can come in but, on my turf, they behave.

If a dog poops on the street in front of my house there's not much I can do but if it comes inside and does it I'm certainly not leaving it there.

ok.

i just don't know of a writer, or playwright, or movie maker, or artist, who invites everyone in and opens his words/art to public critique, and then gets to remove the reviews he doesn't like, or deems unworthy for whatever reason, from the newspapers or review chronicles or opinion pages.

and i still don't understood why he would even want to.

 

[ishtat]

Coppin 'it Sweet

Well, I for one consider the portal my poem is displayed in mine and will continue to clean out of any unpleasant, non-constructive anonymous comments as soon as I find them. Call it censorship if you will.


*snipsnip*

The comment that started this thread was on one of my pieces and whilst I would prefer it not to be there I won't remove it.

Firstly, it says more about the commenter than about the work.

Secondly, I am not comfortable with the notion that one entirely "owns" work after publication. The writer owns the legal copywright but in the act of publication and seeking at least a degree of approbation haven't we essentially done a deal with the readership that we are prepared to take the rough with the smooth.

Once you start deleting, where do you draw the line. If you get a comment that is unpleasant viscious and accurate how do you respond. I think it may have been Anna Swirls a week or two back said she had a critic on another site who was a total asshole (my words) - but invariably right and thus valuable

If Tristesse or Mr C or WV is critical I'll be sitting up and taking notice quick smart but for Mr Anonymous I'll adopt the Australian approach and "cop it sweet". ie ignore it .

 

[Guest]

Pat, if I were a playwrite or published something (in print) and a newspaper published an unfavourable review first of all it's very unlikely it would be anonomous and secondly there's nothing I can do about it. In this case I can.



ishtat, I draw the line at crude and uninformed comments that add nothing positive to this site. Anything identified, favourable or otherwise, is welcome and will stay.


Thank you both for bearing with a grumpy bear.

 

[Jennifer C]

No, no. I invite the public in to see - and comment - on what I offer. Anyone can come in but, on my turf, they behave.

If a dog poops on the street in front of my house there's not much I can do but if it comes inside and does it I'm certainly not leaving it there.

I'm with ya on this one Tristesse...

 

[PatCarrington]

i would hope then, in the spirit of fairness that not only unfavorable comments are being deleted (which to me seems to be not only without point and counter-productice but very much one-sided and a self-massage of bruised ego) that those who will erase useless comments like:

this poems sucks and so do you. eat a bag of shit

will also erase useless comments like:

this poem is great. you are the best. kiss me


since they both say nothing and are equally worthless and insulting to a writer.

 

[WickedEve]

i would hope then, in the spirit of fairness that not only unfavorable comments are being deleted (which to me seems to be not only without point and counter-productice but very much one-sided and a self-massage of bruised ego) that those who will erase useless comments like:

this poems sucks and so do you. eat a bag of shit

will also erase useless comments like:

this poem is great. you are the best. kiss me


since they both say nothing and are equally worthless and insulting to a writer.

I usually leave all comments but I have deleted maybe 2 or 3 in the past, because those comments were insulting other lit members, or going on about some nonsense, and not really about any particular poem. I still have comments on my poetry telling me to go back to school and all sorts of delightful things. lol

To Prattle With Madness
This is bad bad
02/22/04 by Anonymous in canada
Where the hell did you learn to write. It sure wasn't in school was it. Your lucky I gave you a two. Not good for your score is it.
JB

I kept the above comment but I don't really see any purpose in keeping it. It's really not directed at the poem at all--in my opinion. Someone has a problem with me and is all excited about bringing down my score. Really, the only good I got out of it was that it encouraged others to comment and email.

 

[PatCarrington]

I usually leave all comments but I have deleted maybe 2 or 3 in the past, because those comments were insulting other lit members, or going on about some nonsense, and not really about any particular poem. I still have comments on my poetry telling me to go back to school and all sorts of delightful things. lol

To Prattle With Madness
This is bad bad
02/22/04 by Anonymous in canada
Where the hell did you learn to write. It sure wasn't in school was it. Your lucky I gave you a two. Not good for your score is it.
JB

I kept the above comment but I don't really see any purpose in keeping it. It's really not directed at the poem at all--in my opinion. Someone has a problem with me and is all excited about bringing down my score. Really, the only good I got out of it was that it encouraged others to comment and email.

it seems to me that it does serve a purpose.

it lets you know that as a writer, opening your work to the public invites all comment. period.

Mutt always quotes John Huston:

If everyone likes it, it ain't art. It's potato chips.

and that goes for you, and me, and everybody. there are people who don't like you, don't like me....so what?

do you want to be a potato chip?

if you were......never mind.

and it's good to see you again but i won't ask you where you've been.

you'd just say in the onion dip.

 

[Jennifer C]

i would hope then, in the spirit of fairness that not only unfavorable comments are being deleted (which to me seems to be not only without point and counter-productice but very much one-sided and a self-massage of bruised ego) that those who will erase useless comments like:

this poems sucks and so do you. eat a bag of shit

will also erase useless comments like:

this poem is great. you are the best. kiss me


since they both say nothing and are equally worthless and insulting to a writer.

I think your missing the point here, yes everyone has a right to say what they think but we too have the right to delete that whether you agree with that or not! and I don't think 'this poem is great. you are the best. kiss me' is insulting to the writer, ok it may not be the most articulate way of expressing your appreciation of the poem but it certainly isn't rude or agressive. It's not an issue of whether that person likes your poem or not it's how they express that and 'this poems sucks and so do you. eat a bag of shit' is not appropriate and there is no need for that kind of language and no one should have to put up with that! Well I won't anyway because I believe there are better ways of expressing yourself than rudeness and agression towards someone who you don't even know! That is the point here!

 

[PatCarrington]

I think your missing the point here, yes everyone has a right to say what they think but we too have the right to delete that whether you agree with that or not! and I don't think 'this poem is great. you are the best. kiss me' is insulting to the writer, ok it may not be the most articulate way of expressing your appreciation of the poem but it certainly isn't rude or agressive. It's not an issue of whether that person likes your poem or not it's how they express that and 'this poems sucks and so do you. eat a bag of shit' is not appropriate and there is no need for that kind of language and no one should have to put up with that! Well I won't anyway because I believe there are better ways of expressing yourself than rudeness and agression towards someone who you don't even know! That is the point here!

i know that is your point. i just don't view it as valid.

my point is that opening your poetry or stories or art to everyone by allowing "public comments" means exactly that, to everyone, and not just opening it up to the comments that you like or agree with or make you feel good or don't offend your sensibilities.

and yes, a pandering pat on the back is insulting, at least to me, as a writer.

i think if you have nothing productive to say, you shouldn't say anything. but that doesn't mean i will withdraw from you your right to say it if you wish.

 

[Jennifer C]

i know that is your point. i just don't view it as valid.

my point is that opening your poetry or stories or art to everyone by allowing "public comments" means exactly that, to everyone, and not just opening it up to the comments that you like or agree with or make you feel good or don't offend your sensibilities.

and yes, a pandering pat on the back is insulting, at least to me, as a writer.

i think if you have nothing productive to say, you shouldn't say anything. but that doesn't mean i will withdraw from you your right to say it if you wish.

Of course it's valid, just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it isn't valid, and allowing public comments is not an open invitation for every bored moron to show us their swearing vocabulary, I am not against a bit of disagreement or dislike in others work, it's unfounded rudeness and aggression from anonymous sources I have a problem with!

 

[PatCarrington]

Of course it's valid, just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it isn't valid, and allowing public comments is not an open invitation for every bored moron to show us their swearing vocabulary, I am not against a bit of disagreement or dislike in others work, it's unfounded rudeness and aggression from anonymous sources I have a problem with!

saying "i don't think it's valid" is an opinion, jennifer. just as your point is.

having a problem with it is one thing. i also have a problem with rudeness, anonymous rudeness especially.

erasing it is another thing entirely. why can't you have a problem with it, as i most certainly do, and still allow that person their right to comment publically?

what is gained by erasing it? i have already explained what i think is lost by deleting, but what is gained?

 

[WickedEve]

Of course it's valid, just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it isn't valid, and allowing public comments is not an open invitation for every bored moron to show us their swearing vocabulary, I am not against a bit of disagreement or dislike in others work, it's unfounded rudeness and aggression from anonymous sources I have a problem with!

I think one thing we need to remember is that we are on an adult site, and it's not unthinkable for one of us to get a crude comment like, "who gives a shit about the poem. let me fuck you up the ass." I'd delete that.

 

[WickedEve]

i know that is your point. i just don't view it as valid.

my point is that opening your poetry or stories or art to everyone by allowing "public comments" means exactly that, to everyone, and not just opening it up to the comments that you like or agree with or make you feel good or don't offend your sensibilities.

and yes, a pandering pat on the back is insulting, at least to me, as a writer.

i think if you have nothing productive to say, you shouldn't say anything. but that doesn't mean i will withdraw from you your right to say it if you wish.

I will leave, "I love it" comments. I know that's not a great thing to do, but I want the reader to know that I did take the time to read and comment. Honestly, there are times I love a poem but I can't really articulate why. I do try, though.

 

[PatCarrington]

I will leave, "I love it" comments. I know that's not a great thing to do, but I want the reader to know that I did take the time to read and comment. Honestly, there are times I love a poem but I can't really articulate why. I do try, though.

my feeling is that all comments should be left, you lovely potato chip.

there are so many reasons why i feel that way, the list could be burdensome to read.

i hate rudeness as much as anyone, and i despise hiding behind anonymity, but i can't think of even one benefit from deleting a comment of any kind.

 

[Jennifer C]

saying "i don't think it's valid" is an opinion, jennifer. just as your point is.

having a problem with it is one thing. i also have a problem with rudeness, anonymous rudeness especially.

erasing it is another thing entirely. why can't you have a problem with it, as i most certainly do, and still allow that person their right to comment publically?

what is gained by erasing it? i have already explained what i think is lost by deleting, but what is gained?

Well I can stress my point till I'm blue in the face but I still don't think either of us are going to agree on this! And once again I don't have a problem with a persons right to comment publically I just maintain other peoples right to delete them if they wish!
If you can understand that it is a persons right to be rude and nasty then surely you can understand others rights to delete the rude and nasty should they want to!

 

[PatCarrington]

Well I can stress my point till I'm blue in the face but I still don't think either of us are going to agree on this! And once again I don't have a problem with a persons right to comment publically I just maintain other peoples right to delete them if they wish!
If you can understand that it is a persons right to be rude and nasty then surely you can understand others rights to delete the rude and nasty should they want to!

no, i don't understand it as a right to delete comments from a piece of writing that you have already agreed to open to public comment.

it's like Indian giving, or taking your ball and going home, or changing the rules in the middle of the game because they no longer suit you.

and how do you benefit from giving a rude person that kind of cover, and that kind of satisfaction? it seems to me like an assist to his/her lack of openess and manners.

 

[Jennifer C]

no, i don't understand it as a right to delete comments from a piece of writing that you have already agreed to open to public comment.

it's like Indian giving, or taking your ball and going home, or changing the rules in the middle of the game because they no longer suit you.

and how do you benefit from giving a rude person that kind of cover, and that kind of satisfaction? it seems to me like an assist to his/her lack of openess and manners.

Just because you have put your work out there for others to read and comment on doesn't make that work any less your own, it's still your blood, sweat and tears that have gone into it and it is still your RIGHT to decide what comments you want to keep just as it is others RIGHTS to comment in the first place and just beacuse you can't understand that doesn't make it wrong. What authority do you have to tell people what they can and can't do with their own work?