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OwlzHuntress:
"NO Owlz :mad: "

I'm from Oregon and thus must resist my sudden instinct to roll up the sleeves on my plaid flannel shirt and chain myself to the nearest tree in protest of your anti-spotted owl sign. Instead, I will thank whoever this is for sparing me the moral inconvenience of re-registering under the handle of Owlzcat and doing parodies of Owlz' threads.

Thank you.
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I'm doing this as a public service to all of lit Now someone point me in the general direction Of The offending Owl.
 
AnelizeDarkEyes said:
Owlz--

Your behavior is reprehensible. If you can't hang with the big boys, well then? Leave the playground. You don't want to apologize to me? Fine. Don't. But don't expect me to accord you any kind of respect.

Let me remind you of a few salient facts though. Do not fuck with the fact machine.

When you first arrived here, I welcomed you with open arms, as I do just about every newbie that comes here (I miss a few, I'm human). In this welcome wagon post, I gave you links to the LIBRARY, the CASTLEREALM site, and MISTRESS STEELS site, the exact same links I gave you in the post that I posted here. Yes, I assume that you will be able to find the Library.

Yes, you did...and I did. However (and just to remind you), very shortly thereafter,

Most people here are able to after spending a few hours on the site. So here are the facts:

Introducing myself

On 8/17/03 you PM'd me with a question regarding male toys. I looked up a couple of threads for you on that. I returned your PM on 8/18/03, and received 2 more PMs from you on the subject on 8/18/03.

I'm getting a sense of deja vu from that, as someone else here seems to like playing Big Brother/'1984' against me, keeping track of and/or logging everything I say.

The point being, I am more than willing to help newcomers, but you, bud, are not willing to help yourself. I am not going to spoon-feed BDSM to you. If you want this so bad then I will tell you, just like I would tell anyone else (check my post to HousewifeChloe), then you have to be willing to DO THE FOOTWORK. It's hard, and it's LONG, and the introspection involved is sometimes painful, but ultimately it's worth every damn minute.

Point taken, but then I find it odd that others ask all kinds of questions, all the time here, yet they don't get the 'Go away/Go to Castle Realm & leave us alone' treatment. Tell me, please, why is that? What is it that you (and everyone else here, it seems) have hated about me, almost since day one?

And Owlz? You haven't got the greatest rep. You might want to be doing it nicer and sweeter and more polite than all the rest. That shit catches up with you.

I treat others in accordance with the way I'm treated. We caan get along, but I will not put a cork in it if someone rubs me the wrong way. I spent too many years doing that, and it just isn't healthy.

Last but not least, I want to thank all my wonderful friends here for rallying around me. Ya'll rock.

~anelize
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If an apology would help defuse this bomb, then you have it.
 
Owlz said:
If an apology would help defuse this bomb, then you have it.
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If you ment them it would be different but NO you just move on to another thread and do the same thing over and over again. Appologies are not going to work.
 
Owlz said:
Now I've got a stalker. I need to leave Lit.
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Kind of hard to believe the stalker has a stalker of his own

How does it feel Owlz to be stalked and not know who is doing it.
 
To what purpose is this necessary?

i can take a jolly ... but this is reaching.
 
s'lara:
"To what purpose is this necessary?

i can take a jolly ... but this is reaching."

I'm almost certain that OwlHuntress is not doing this for 'jollies'. One suspects that he or she desires that Owlz leave the board.
 
Owlz
I have been your friend and confident for sometime here in lit, I have as I can see many others have as well, tried to be your friend, you have a tendency to not listen.. Or take offense to someone who tries to help you, sometimes it seems that you over react to others.. I have read this thread from start to finish, I find that your actions are not only rude, but uncalled for.. you walked into there world and ask, accept me, help me to learn and they gave you the tools to do just that.. in return you were offensive, and rude, perhaps you think that is all part of there world of control, your wrong, if this is your thought.. You see what they have is a respect, and well a trust ..
You can't have what they have as you do not posses either of these qualities, you do not respect, nor do you command a trust.
I ask you once to stay, I ask you to ride things out and find yourself, Iam now ashamed to admit, that was a mistake, you have caused pain and hurt, (and not the kind that's appreciated)
you my friend must take yourself and perhaps find someplace more to your liking, you cant say your sorry and mean it, this isn't the first time you have caused such a ruckus, But I must say its the worst you have done so far..
You once told me when I tried to help you that you felt me condescending to you, when I was trying very hard to show you that everything isn't always as you see it.. And this is how you treat a friend? Iam closing my door now, and leaving it shut,
Good-bye dear Owlz
 
Owlz is a little cunt, and we are better off without him...he can surely find somewhere else to make people uncomfortable...he'd fit right in with NAMBLA, I think.

He has made enemies everywhere he has gone on Lit. If it were one person, you could claim misunderstanding. If it were two, you could say it was a conflict of personalities,. When it is at least a dozen people, some of them very respected around here, it becomes painfully obvious where the blame lies.
 
Regarding the debate about the thread starter's sincerity, I see someone that had good intentions, but attempted to jump into the lifestyle far too fast to be able to comprehend the dynamics involved. Education is a must, for many of us, this is not role playing but real life. I only wish we could all understand what goes into a D/s relationship overnight. It just doesn't happen. We all learn at our own pace. If we pretend to learn at a quicker pace, we are only lying to ourslves.

Yes, Owlz has made numerous posts to the board here recently. But there are others that have and continue to create threads that they have not taken the time to research. No names need be mentioned. Is there a certain line where we quit giving answers and say screw you? Aren't we failing ourselves as a community if we tell someone to get lost?

I'm not taking any sides, but I understand what it is like to be on the outside loooking in. If you don't know the people who post here well, it's easy to misunderstand the context in which some posts are made.

The overall tone on the BDSM boards has changed a lot in the past year. The posts used to be civil, regardless of whether or not you liked the person posing the thread. In the past, if you didn't have anything positive to contribute, you didn't respond.

Now, any thread posted here (BDSM Talk) is an open target for rude and condescending replies. While freedom of speech may give us the opportunity to say whatever we want, the negative sides of this freedom now detract from the purpose of this board, to help each other.

I see that as a loss.
 
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Arden said:
Regarding the debate about the thread starter's sincerity, I see someone that had good intentions, but attempted to jump into the lifestyle far too fast to be able to comprehend the dynamics involved. Education is a must, for many of us, this is not role playing but real life. I only wish we could all understand what goes into a D/s relationship overnight. It just doesn't happen. We all learn at our own pace. If we pretend to learn at a quicker pace, we are only lying to ourslves.

Yes, Owlz has made numerous posts to the board here recently. But there are others that have and continue to create threads that they have not taken the time to research. No names need be mentioned. Is there a certain line where we quit giving answers and say screw you? Aren't we failing ourselves as a community if we tell someone to get lost?

I'm not taking any sides, but I understand what it is like to be on the outside loooking in. If you don't know the people who post here well, it's easy to misunderstand the context in which some posts are made.

The overall tone on the BDSM boards has changed a lot in the past year. The posts used to be civil, regardless of whether or not you liked the person posing the thread. In the past, if you didn't have anything positive to contribute, you didn't respond.

Now, any thread posted here (BDSM Talk) is an open target for rude and condescending replies. While freedom of speech may give us the opportunity to say whatever we want, the negative sides of this freedom now detract from the purpose of this board, to help each other.

I see that as a loss.
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Thank you, Arden, for what you said here. I'm far from perfect. I accept my part in this. My hope is to continue learning & salvage any friendships I have here.

Owlz
 
Arden said:
Regarding the debate about the thread starter's sincerity, I see someone that had good intentions, but attempted to jump into the lifestyle far too fast to be able to comprehend the dynamics involved. Education is a must, for many of us, this is not role playing but real life. I only wish we could all understand what goes into a D/s relationship overnight. It just doesn't happen. We all learn at our own pace. If we pretend to learn at a quicker pace, we are only lying to ourslves.

Yes, Owlz has made numerous posts to the board here recently. But there are others that have and continue to create threads that they have not taken the time to research. No names need be mentioned. Is there a certain line where we quit giving answers and say screw you? Aren't we failing ourselves as a community if we tell someone to get lost?

I'm not taking any sides, but I understand what it is like to be on the outside loooking in. If you don't know the people who post here well, it's easy to misunderstand the context in which some posts are made.

The overall tone on the BDSM boards has changed a lot in the past year. The posts used to be civil, regardless of whether or not you liked the person posing the thread. In the past, if you didn't have anything positive to contribute, you didn't respond.

Now, any thread posted here (BDSM Talk) is an open target for rude and condescending replies. While freedom of speech may give us the opportunity to say whatever we want, the negative sides of this freedom now detract from the purpose of this board, to help each other.

I see that as a loss.
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Arden, I realize you are entitled to your opinion, but in this case I find you way off the mark.

Owlz had gotten what he deserves, if you do not see that, then that is your misfortune.

If he continues to behave in the same manner, he will get more of the same treatment.
 
Ebonyfire said:
Arden, I realize you are entitled to your opinion, but in this case I find you way off the mark.

Owlz had gotten what he deserves, if you do not see that, then that is your misfortune.

If he continues to behave in the same manner, he will get more of the same treatment.
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As for something being a loss, oh well too bad, so sad.

I do not see a loss at all. This is an adult forum, not one for petulant children masquerading as men or women.
 
Owlz said:
Now I've got a stalker. I need to leave Lit.
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Bullshit.

Leave Lit if that is your desire, but if you are the well meaning adult you say you are then stay and make amends. Of course making amends takes courage.
 
Ebonyfire said:
Bullshit.

Leave Lit if that is your desire, but if you are the well meaning adult you say you are then stay and make amends. Of course making amends takes courage.
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I would be glad to make amends, Ef.
 
Owlz said:
I would be glad to make amends, Ef.
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Then do it. You know what you have been doing behind the scenes, so cease and desist, and apologize to those you have wronged...Privately I might add.

Then for God's sake read the damn stickies before posting nonsense.
 
Ebonyfire said:
Then do it. You know what you have been doing behind the scenes, so cease and desist, and apologize to those you have wronged...Privately I might add.

The for God's sake read the damn stickies before posting nonsense.
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'Behind the scenes?' "Stickies?' No, I'm afraid you've lost me there. Please explain.
 
Owlz said:
'Behind the scenes?' "Stickies?' No, I'm afraid you've lost me there. Please explain.
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Owlz,

You need to start out by making a sincere apology to Annelize

that would be your first step.
 
Owlz said:
'Behind the scenes?' "Stickies?' No, I'm afraid you've lost me there. Please explain.
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*sigh*

This is what I'm talking about.

At the top of this Forum, right under the Library "sticky" is another "sticky" that reads:

Welcome to the BDSM Forum, Please Read

If you read that sticky, you'll find out allll sorts of interesting info that is verrrry helpful to know.

As to your behind the scenes issues, I don't think you want to be outed here. You can play dumb. But continued playing dumb gets you nowhere. It shows no earnestness. It tells me you just hope all this will go away. Not gonna happen.

~anelize
 
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