The Second Amendment, Gun Control, and School Shootings.

[cowslinger64]

Lol.. If his claim of being in Chicago today is to be believed... He's spending it all proving yet again what a putz he is.

#winning!!!



Hey.. Chicago is an awesome city. Why don't you go outside? Lou Malnatis has incredible Chicago pizza.. The Kingston Mines has great blues. The bottlenose dolphin show at Shedds Aquarium is terrific. Go to the Navy Pier and catch a boat ride out on Lake Michigan..

Pretty much ANYTHING other than nothing.

Uber works great in the city..

Or, if you wanna come clean and say you're actually still in your meth head ghetto, afraid to come of out your room.. It won't be the first time you bullshitted.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Lol.. If his claim of being in Chicago today is to be believed...

Hey.. Chicago is an awesome city. Why don't you go outside? Lou Malnatis has incredible Chicago pizza.. The Kingston Mines has great blues. The bottlenose dolphin show at Shedds Aquarium is terrific. Go to the Navy Pier and catch a boat ride out on Lake Michigan..

Pretty much ANYTHING other than nothing.

Uber works great in the city..

It's ok.

Had Gino's East after taking the kids to the zoo and been drinking ritas on the porch with the fam since we got back about 2pm.

Or, if you wanna come clean and say you're actually still in your meth head ghetto, afraid to come of out your room.. It won't be the first time you bullshitted.

I don't live in Detroit buddy.

And this won't be the first time I shut your dumb ass up with a photo either....enjoy that crow asshole

 

[BotanyBoy]

:d:d:d

 

[BotanyBoy]

Okay, since you asked.

Edited for irrelevant non-response.

I ask again.

Who am I telling nothing can be done about what?

 

[psiberzerker]

Who am I telling nothing can be done about what?

Again, you're telling me YOU can do nothing about California infringing on your 2nd amendment rights, and I'm telling you, you've never had a better opportunity to in your life.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Again, you're telling me YOU can do nothing about California infringing on your 2nd amendment rights,

Where did I say that CA is infringing on my 2nd amendment rights?

Or that I could do nothing about said imaginary infringements ?

and I'm telling you, you've never had a better opportunity to in your life.

To do what?

 

[psiberzerker]

Where did I say that CA is infringing on my 2nd amendment rights?

I live in northern California.......I have better odds of getting a licence to sell weed to the kids than carry a gun on campus.

The militia's Right to protect your family, not just at home (Where the threat is the least) but at all times.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The militia's Right to protect your family, not just at home (Where the threat is the least) but at all times.

More random shit compiling yea another total non response....it can't even be called a deflection.

Again.

Where did I say that CA is infringing on my 2nd amendment rights?

Or that I could do nothing about said imaginary infringements ?

 

[psiberzerker]

Where did I say that CA is infringing on my 2nd amendment rights?

Or that I could do nothing about said imaginary infringements ?

So, can you sit across the street armed or not?

Can you Petition for the right to sit across the street armed, or not?

If you cannot bear arms, when you may need to protect yourself, or loved ones, then that is an infringement.

If you Petition to have that (State) infringement lifted, then you can successfully defend you right to Bear Arms.

Now, what part of that do you still not understand?

 

[psiberzerker]

Also, what he said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9vSXxAzK_4

 

[BotanyBoy]

So, can you sit across the street armed or not?

Can you Petition for the right to sit across the street armed, or not?

Yep and sure but I wouldn't understand why or why you would waste your time trying to do so in any sort of official law enforcement capacity.

If you cannot bear arms

I can, just not openly, nor on campus nor as any sort of militia/civilian security force.

Now, what part of that do you still not understand?

I understand it all now that you're using complete sentences.

I'll just let the fact that you just can't answer the simplest of questions slide...

 

[psiberzerker]

I can, just not openly, nor on campus nor as any sort of militia/civilian security force.

So, you can't bear arms openly, nor as a militia? This doesn't infringe on your 2nd amendment rights in any way?

(Incidentally, I understand the Gun Free zone, it's distracting, and gangs did abuse them in schools in the 90s, which is why they had to make them GFZs. There were too many Gang related shootouts in too many schools.)

 

[BotanyBoy]

So, you can't bear arms openly, nor as a militia?

Nope and not for the purposes of policing.

Again policing is for the police...not the militia, not the military.

What part of that do you still not understand?

This doesn't infringe on your 2nd amendment rights in any way?

Nope, the same way not being able to scream "fire" in a crowded theater isn't an infringement upon free speech.

 

[psiberzerker]

Nope, the same way not being able to scream "fire" in a crowded theater isn't an infringement upon free speech.

Open Carry is equivalent to a terror threat? That's why yelling "Fire" is an exception, it causes harm by spreading terror.

If you have a petition, and are deputized by (You said) the Sherriff, it's opposing a Terror Threat, and exercizing your constitutional right, at the same time. it would also be a good demonstration to shift Voters/LEAs away from the anti-gun laws. extending your liberties. it's not fighting the fed, but if enough militiamen volunteer, and are deputized, one could be posted on every corner of every public school, without taking Law Enforcement away from investigating crime.

I don't see the negatives in this scenario. Not even the fact that you can't comprehend it, and have failed to show me any negative, other than the sheriff could say no.

Okay, let me just ask: Which would you prefer, CCW, or Open Carry? If you had some say in your County gun laws?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Open Carry is equivalent to a terror threat?

Yup.

If you have a petition, and are deputized by (You said) the Sherriff, it's opposing a Terror Threat, and exercizing your constitutional right, at the same time.

Don't need a petition just need to be deputized by the Sheriff.

No I would then be a legal law enforcement officer under posse comitatus.

Because policing is for the police, not the militia or military.

I'm already exercising my constitutional right by arming myself in accordance with the laws.

Not even the fact that you can't comprehend it, and have failed to show me any negative, other than the sheriff could say no.

You're the only one not comprehending.

There are political/legal realities that prevent what you are talking about in the state of California. Not being a sheriff, governor or having overwhelming support from the people of CA means I don't have the authority or chance to change that either.

You're free to try in Texas though, with the support of the people and pols in TX there is a significantly higher probability of making what you're talking about happen there.

 

[psiberzerker]

There are political/legal realities that prevent what you are talking about in the state of California.

Right, like Open Carry (Illegal.) You may be able to use this, for the support you need, to contest the Open Carry laws. In California. You would just have to gain support. I believe petitions of school teachers, faculty, and LEOs could be a go about it.

It's also an idea of what we can do about school shootings. Since you probably (Presumably) have some experience in Perimiter Defense, you can explain how it would only require about 4 deputies, per school. I bet with your compelling arguments, you could even drum up volunteers. You would only have to print up, and distribute a petition, and get as many signatures you (And your friends) can over the summer.

It could be a step towards making California a more Open Carry State. Now, have you come up with a negative other than the possibility of rejection out of this scenario? Run a risk/reward assesment. Being told "No" versus changing the state law.

I am seeking support in Texas. However, Texas isn't the only State, and ones like California need to learn the lesson about Open Carry laws. I can only do so much without more people like you.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Right, like Open Carry (Illegal.) You may be able to use this, for the support you need, to contest the Open Carry laws. In California. You would just have to gain support. I believe petitions of school teachers, faculty, and LEOs could be a go about it.

The same thing could be said about getting an "assault" weapons and open carry ban in Texas.....right after you get rid of their castle laws and get a publicly funded abortion clinic in every town.

LOL you have to be 100% ignorant of the political climate of either state to derp that hard either way.

You clearly have no idea what the California climate is like with regard to guns.

We JUST banned open carry last year, we're not going back anytime soon.

Now, have you come up with a negative other than the possibility of rejection out of this scenario?

You're still not listening, it's not a possibility, it's a certainty.

A militia security force for California schools is about as likely as Texas banning guns and publicly funding/promoting abortion clinics.

And I didn't realize I was tasked with coming up with a negative.

I don't have a problem with it, it's just not a political possibility here.

 

[psiberzerker]

And I didn't realize I was tasked with coming up with a negative.

I only asked you 4 times if you could come up with a more sigificant one than the self-defeating, "Sherriff says No."

The militia just provides the Manpower. Deputisation just expands the Police Force so it's actually possible for the Police to protect schools, AND also investigate crimes.

That's why the Police aren't stopping it, they don't have the manpower, they need Volunteers.

Another argument that you can make is it lowers the resources the LEAs, and State have to use on this. Since the deputies are volunteers.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I only asked you 4 times if you could come up with a more sigificant one than the self-defeating, "Sherriff says No."

Legal/political realities =/= self defeating.

That's why the Police aren't stopping it, they don't have the manpower, they need Volunteers.

If that's the case then just hire more po-poz.

Another argument that you can make is it lowers the resources the LEAs, and State have to use on this. Since the deputies are volunteers.

That may be true but it's not going to happen, here is why.

Will posse comitatus does allow sheriffs to deputize citizens for duty it's only temporary. Very Temporary.

To be a continuing LEO in the state of CA you have to go to a school and get a licence.

Which brings in costs....nobody is going to go through all that to work full time for free.

So we are back to simply hiring more po-po for policing schools.

 

[psiberzerker]

If that's the case then just hire more police.

You willing to pay for that?

Will posse comitatus does allow sheriffs to deputize citizens for duty it's only temporary. Very Temporary.

How temporary? <8 hours while school is in session?

To be a continuing LEO in the state of CA you have to go to a school and get a licence.

How much have you looked into that licensing process? Sincerely, you're in a better position to research it than I.

Which brings in costs....nobody is going to go through all that to work full time for free.

Except for Mothers? Mothers work full time to raise their children. That's an investment. One many would be willing to protect, and I'd bet at least 4 per school. (Many would require someone skilled in Perimeter Defense to train them.)

This would be a step to normalizing people to the presence of firearms in American Culture. Not just Gun states, but also "Progressive" states where the Gun is vilified, instead of the Criminals firing them. An example of law abiding citizens using them to Protect citizens instead of terrorize, and victimize them would sway a lot of voters, in every state.

It has to be every state, or at least enough that the opposition can't point and say, "But whatabout?" One example of 1 school not getting attacked would not be persuasive. It would take at least thousands, across the country.

That's why I can't JUST do this in Texas, we need support from across the country.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You willing to pay for that?

Sure as long as policy n' procedure is followed....raise taxes and hire more police.

How much have you looked into that licensing process? Sincerely, you're in a better position to research it than I.

Yup...short version is you go to a police academy and graduate.

That's why I can't JUST do this in Texas, we need support from across the country.

Political reality check .....you don't have it from the "progressive" states like California.

By a fucking landslide.

You might as well be trying to ban football in Texas.

 

[phrodeau]

Tax bullets.

 

[psiberzerker]

Sure as long as policy n' procedure is followed....raise taxes and hire more police.

How do you go about that, and how quickly can that be implemented?

Yup...you go to a police academy like all the police and graduate.

That takes a while... Probably costs a lot of money too, how do you convince the State of California to do that?

you don't have it from the "progressive" states like California.

Not yet... You don't know anyone you can fight the political climate with, or are you satisfied with finding someone wrong on the internet? Go for the easy wins, wouldn't want to shake up the "Progressives" in the real world, or anything.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Tax bullets.

They already do.

 

[BotanyBoy]

How do you go about that, and how quickly can that be implemented?

It's called the democratic process.

Not very quickly.

That takes a while... Probably costs a lot of money too, how do you convince the State of California to do that?

Damn near everything with the government takes a while and costs lots of money.

You go interview/take tests or graduate with a degree in Criminal Justice and either get sponsored/apply to a police academy...like in most states.

Not yet...

Not anytime in the near future either.

You don't know anyone you can fight the political climate with,

Sure but I don't like wasting my time trying to swim up a 200 ft waterfall like an idiot. If it was more important I'd just move to a more gun/militia friendly state.

or are you satisfied with finding someone wrong on the internet? Go for the easy wins, wouldn't want to shake up the "Progressives" in the real world, or anything.

Oh here we go with make believe time again.

I post on the GB in my spare time.

I do shake them up in the real world....I just don't do it by going after insanely stupid things outside my realm of power, because I'm not mentally ill and or a moron.