The Second Amendment, Gun Control, and School Shootings.

[BotanyBoy]

Then, I propose removing the archaic preamble about Militias, and just epurgate the wording to:

"The right to bear arms shall not be infinged apon."

Kinda pointless but sure as the effect of 2A would be totally unchanged.

On the grounds that Militias are no longer necessary for the security of a Free State.

Except they are still a last line of defense.

Just because we have a bunch of cool toys and BAMF's out there happy to tear any threat the biggest hole possible before it gets here doesn't change the fact that a nations last line of defense is it's people.

The founders were quite a crafty bunch....

 

[BotanyBoy]

Question #2: How do you propose they do that?

Stop ignoring all the warnings/calls/flags they are given by the people about threats for one. When local, state and federal authorities all manage to ignore numerous warnings about the same person something is horribly fuckin' wrong with our LE procedures.

Some policy changes to help them like licencing would also help.

 

[psiberzerker]

Kinda pointless but sure as the effect of 2A would be totally unchanged.

For clarity. Some of the main talking points of libtards concern the semantics of the words "Regulated," and "Militia." Making it clear, and explicit, with no debatable terms would take a lot of their arguments against the NRA away.

Except they are still a last line of defense.

Who are? Militias? Name 1, private Militia in the United States. If there aren't any, then how are they supposed to defend anyone?

Also, last line of defense from what?

Just because we have a bunch of cool toys and BAMF's out there happy to tear any threat the biggest hole possible before it gets here doesn't change the fact that a nations last line of defense is it's people.

Some of those self proclaimed Badasses are shooting up schools.

 

[psiberzerker]

Stop ignoring all the warnings/calls/flags they are given by the people about threats for one. When local, state and federal authorities all manage to ignore numerous warnings about the same person something is horribly fuckin' wrong with our LE procedures.

Some policy changes to help them like licencing would also help.

Agreed, and agreed.

I would add Volunteers, with a deputy system. There has to be enough concerned Loved Ones for ever single public school to have 4 armed, and Trained (With LEO funding) volunteers to walk around the perimiter.

I'd also make an eyecatching sign, since this is America. Some Americans are stupid, stubborn, and Psycho, but I'm not a marketing expert.

 

[psiberzerker]

This just in:

http://www.cnn.com/2018/05/25/us/indiana-school-shooting-teacher/index.html

 

[BotanyBoy]

For clarity. Some of the main talking points of libtards concern the semantics of the words "Regulated," and "Militia." Making it clear, and explicit, with no debatable terms would take a lot of their arguments against the NRA away.

Some anti-civil right lefties totally ignoring all but two words of 2A so they can pretend to cut NRA arguments down is....... whatever???

I don't really care about the NRA or the folks who pretend entire chunks of the Constitution don't exist to push their agendas.

Who are? Militias?

Yup.

Name 1, private Militia in the United States.

Every military aged citizen able to fight in a time of emergency.

13-60 ought to cover it.

how are they supposed to defend anyone?

By closing with and destroying the threat with the arms the government isn't allowed to take from them

(shooting the bad juju)

Also, last line of defense from what?

Whatever poses a threat to the security of our state.

Some of those self proclaimed Badasses are shooting up schools.

I didn't say anything about self proclaimed badasses.

 

[psiberzerker]

Every military aged citizen able to fight in a time of emergency.

13-60 ought to cover it.

All right, then name one Well Regulated Militia in the united states.

By closing with and destroying the threat with the arms the government isn't allowed to take from them (shooting the bad juju)

Why hasn't that worked yet? That system is in place, there at least claim to be all these GGWGs, and yet that defense isn't stopping the domestic terrorists from shooting up schools.

Whatever poses a threat to the security of our state.

I would include domestic terrorists shooting up our schools.

I didn't say anything about self proclaimed badasses.

You know what BAMF stands for. I just assumed you weren't talking about Nightcrawler, or his pocket-demons.

 

[BotanyBoy]

All right, then name one Well Regulated Militia in the united states.

IDK any...google is your friend.

Why hasn't that worked yet?

Because it's never been tested AFAIK. Has the US ever been invaded much less after the fall of our primary military forces???

With very few, very specific circumstances domestic threats are pretty much the exclusive purview of law enforcement.

That's why we don't deploy the 82nd Airborne Division every time there is a shooting.

yet that defense isn't stopping the domestic terrorists from shooting up schools.

It's not it's job to....again that's law enforcements job.

That's what your Sheriff, municipal PD, state Police and FBI/ATF/DHS are for.

You know what BAMF stands for. I just assumed you weren't talking about Nightcrawler, or his pocket-demons.

I wasn't I was talking about our professional military forces.

 

[psiberzerker]

That's why we don't deploy the 82nd Airborne Division every time there is a shooting.

Fort Bragg, Fayetteville NC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Kreutzer_Jr.

Also, that would be the National Guard. Why they're called the National Guard.

It's not it's job to....again that's law enforcements job.

It's a job that's not getting done.

 

[ThatsTheGuy]

CNN? Why is it always CNN links? Crazy Networked News .

 

[BotanyBoy]

Fort Bragg, Fayetteville NC. http://www.wbtv.com/story/18907789/officials-shooting-happened-at-ft-bragg

Ok.

Also, that would be the national Guard. Why they're called the National Guard.

No...the NG is not for domestic law enforcement and not why they are called the National Guard.

It's a job that's not getting done.

That doesn't make it the purview or jurisdiction nor is it a reflection of the military.

Just short of being invaded by hostile forces or shit getting so crazy POTUS declares Martial Law this is 100% all on the shoulders of local, state and federal law enforcement agencies.

 

[psiberzerker]

CNN? Why is it always CNN links? Crazy Networked News .

Updated the link. Before you impune the source, i caught it on the local news. So it happened. Fort Bragg doesn't exactly have a great track record for stopping homicidal maniacs.

Probably why they don't call the 82nd Airborne division.

 

[psiberzerker]

No...the NG is not for domestic law enforcement and not why they are called the National Guard.

So, when they were called to break up the Detroit Riots in 1967, they were out of their jurisdiction, and should have just let the police handle it?

Also, to desegregate Selma, Little Rock, University of Mississippi, University of Alabama, The Chicago riots after MLK was shot, the Washington DC riots after MLK was shot...

 

[Bray123]

This just in:

http://www.cnn.com/2018/05/25/us/indiana-school-shooting-teacher/index.html

I saw reported on another site that the teacher downed the shooter by hurling a ball at him, then tackling him whilst wounded.

Kudos.

But the point being that it didn't require an armed teacher to resolve the situation.

 

[psiberzerker]

But the point being that it didn't require an armed teacher to resolve the situation.

Yeah, I picked up on that too.

 

[Hypoxia]

How are Militias at all RELEVANT in this day and age, when they're utterly failing the security of a free state, and suicidal fanatics are repeatedly killing our children in our schools?

Isn't that what Militias are supposed to stop?

"The Congress shall have Power... To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions..."​

When was the last time well-regulated militias were called forth thusly?

Yes, the well-regulated militia's tasks were law enforcement and national security. The "suppress Insurrections" bit is about crushing slave uprisings. That's the unstated backstory of the 2nd: shoot uppity nigras. That's why Ronnie Raygun signed gun control measures in the 70s, because Black Panthers exercised their 2A rights on the steps of California's capitol.

The 2nd is dead already. So are too many victims.

 

[BotanyBoy]

So, when they were called to

Martial law was declared by an executive (governor or POTUS) AFAIK.

Since the reconstruction era where the posse comitatus act/insurection act among others came about you can't use the military in a general capacity for policing.

Only in specific extenuating circumstances and at the order of an exec.

 

[psiberzerker]

Martial law was declared by an executive (governor or POTUS).

And the New York Postal Strike of 1970?

The list goes on, and on...

 

[psiberzerker]

That doesn't make it the purview or jurisdiction nor is it a reflection of the military.

My point still stands, the job isn't getting done. So, while all the government agencies are either claiming "Not it!" or blaming each other for not doing anything about it, the job isn't getting done. While you sit there, and make excuses that it's "Not my job, maing," the job isn't getting done.

So again, where are the Militias? Because you're not busy protecting the schools.

 

[BotanyBoy]

And the New York Postal Strike of 1970?

The list goes on, and on...

Martial law was declared by an executive (governor or POTUS) AFAIK.

Since the reconstruction era where the posse comitatus act/insurection act among others came about you can't use the military in a general capacity for policing.

Only in specific extenuating circumstances and at the order of an exec.


Unless you can show that some military unit took it upon themselves to do some policing post 1860's ....which even if you can is going to be a rare exception for some reason and probably in violation of the law.

And at the end of it all it doesn't alleviate local/state/federal LEA's from their responsibility.

 

[psiberzerker]

And at the end of it all it doesn't alleviate local/state/federal LEA's from their responsibility.

Aren't YOU, BotanyBoy, a Goodguy with a Gun? Aren't YOU a BAMF?

Why are YOU making excuses for one of many agencies that could be doing something about it, instead of walking corner-to-corner around one of the schools one of the students you care about is attending?

Nobody's doing it. Everyone's making excuses. You're just doing it on the internet.

That's why Militias are no longer relevant.

 

[BotanyBoy]

My point still stands, the job isn't getting done.

You're right, and so does mine.

It's not the job of the military or the militia to police the civilian population. With the exception of specific circumstances with specific approvals they are strictly forbidden from doing so.

Is there some part of that you don't understand?

So again, where are the Militias?

Waiting for a big ass invasion of bad juju.

Because they're not busy protecting the schools.

Again:

Protecting the schools is not their job and are forbidden from doing so under the law in most if not all cases.

Is there some part of that you still don't understand?

 

[psiberzerker]

YProtecting the schools is not their job and are forbidden from doing so under the law in most if not all cases.

Which laws? In California, which laws prevent you from protecting the schools?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Why are YOU making excuses for one of many agencies that could be doing something about it,

I'm not, I already said the agencies responsible are failing at their job.

instead of walking corner-to-corner around one of the schools one of the students you care about is attending?

More ascription and bullshit.

Nobody's doing it. Everyone's making excuses. You're just doing it on the internet.

So then hold your LEA's accountable.

That's why Militias are no longer relevant.

Militias aren't relevant to the school/mass shooting issue in any way shape or form....it's not their responsibility. It's the responsibility of local, state and federal LEA's.

What part of that are you still not understanding?

Militias are relevant to the security of every single state that ever has or ever will exist. But in most if not all cases they are not relevant to policing the civil population.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Which laws? In California, which laws prevent you from protecting the schools?

In a militant capacity?

LOL how about the gun free zone laws.

Ever heard of those?

Armed civilians on campus = against the law and a good way to get yourself shot by the police.

Policing is for the police....not the military not the militia.

Is there something about that you still don't understand?