The Second Amendment, Gun Control, and School Shootings.

[cowslinger64]

Okay, I actually went to MEPS in Tucson, but it was in the Clinton era. (I was in a VBL in Sarajevo. A UN one.) We have Due Process everywhere, regardless of what racist sheriffs try to do. That's why the Honolulu Hospital didn't release medical records to them. The only reason we have them is because the patient waived Patient Privilege to shut up David Duke, and Goldfinger. He's really the only one Alive that could do that. Not because he was President, but because his name is on that document.

I do tend to agree with your views, but on this you're rather naive, or ignorant of the facts. Whichever...


Due process is the legal requirement that the state must respect all legal rights that are owed to a person. Due process balances the power of law of the land and protects the individual person from it. When a government harms a person without following the exact course of the law, this constitutes a due process violation, which offends the rule of law.


due proc·ess
do͞o prəˈses/
noun
fair treatment through the normal judicial system, especially as a citizen's entitlement.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/...on-camp-tent-city-jail-joe-arpaio-immigration



When asked about the comment by the Guardian in July, Arpaio brushed it off as a joke. “But even if it was a concentration camp, what difference does it make? I still survived. I still kept getting re-elected,” he said.

The jail survived too. For more than 20 years, Tent City stood within a larger jail compound in an industrial area 10 minutes south of downtown Phoenix. At its peak in the late 1990s, it comprised 82 Korean war-era military tents and housed 1,700 inmates. After 2009, it could hold up to 200 undocumented immigrants.

Despite multiple lawsuits from mistreated former prisoners, mounting public outrage and intense criticism from groups such as Amnesty International, which derided the facility as inhumane, overcrowded and dangerous, the outdoor prison remained open. Even the justice department accused Arpaio of racially profiling Latinos on his patrols and denying prisoners basic human rights in his jails.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...lk-free/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.de5dbce193d8

The year I spent in Joe Arpaio’s tent jail was hell. He should never walk free.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/25/...olations-of-rights-by-sheriff-joe-arpaio.html

A federal judge ruled on Friday that Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his deputies had violated the constitutional rights of Latinos by targeting them during raids and traffic stops here and throughout Maricopa County.
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https://www.alternet.org/civil-libe...ff-joe-arpaios-jails-who-knows-its-big-number

HUMAN RIGHTS
How Many Inmates Have Died in Sheriff Joe Arpaio's Jails? Who Knows, But it's a Big Number.


It's a nice thought that people aren't treated poorly by those who are paid to protect.. but it happens, and often. It was especially bad there.

 

[psiberzerker]

The pic of the fence you posted is just a pic of a border fence that's been there for years. We've had border fences there for a long time.

The picture I posted was the "Wall" we can actually afford, before Goldfinger starts embezzling from the project. The one I just posted are the pie in the sky dreamboats that would be nice, if we didn't have to pay for them.

 

[psiberzerker]

Nobody is going thru them with pickaxes and hacksaws. That's just stupid. They don't do that now with just a fence in most spots. They go over and under and that's why most of the prototypes look they way they do. That doesn't mean they'll work cuz they won't but at least be honest about it.

For the War on Drugs? They already have catapults, cigarette boats, and airplanes. Which one of those prototypes is 1,000 feet tall? If the fence isn't going to stop them, the wall when we can't even fix a runway on Davis Monthan just isn't going to do it.

It's a Real Estate Scheme.

 

[Rightguide]

I do tend to agree with your views, but on this you're rather naive, or ignorant of the facts. Whichever...


Due process is the legal requirement that the state must respect all legal rights that are owed to a person. Due process balances the power of law of the land and protects the individual person from it. When a government harms a person without following the exact course of the law, this constitutes a due process violation, which offends the rule of law.


due proc·ess
do͞o prəˈses/
noun
fair treatment through the normal judicial system, especially as a citizen's entitlement.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/...on-camp-tent-city-jail-joe-arpaio-immigration



When asked about the comment by the Guardian in July, Arpaio brushed it off as a joke. “But even if it was a concentration camp, what difference does it make? I still survived. I still kept getting re-elected,” he said.

The jail survived too. For more than 20 years, Tent City stood within a larger jail compound in an industrial area 10 minutes south of downtown Phoenix. At its peak in the late 1990s, it comprised 82 Korean war-era military tents and housed 1,700 inmates. After 2009, it could hold up to 200 undocumented immigrants.

Despite multiple lawsuits from mistreated former prisoners, mounting public outrage and intense criticism from groups such as Amnesty International, which derided the facility as inhumane, overcrowded and dangerous, the outdoor prison remained open. Even the justice department accused Arpaio of racially profiling Latinos on his patrols and denying prisoners basic human rights in his jails.

======================

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...lk-free/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.de5dbce193d8

The year I spent in Joe Arpaio’s tent jail was hell. He should never walk free.
===================

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/25/...olations-of-rights-by-sheriff-joe-arpaio.html

A federal judge ruled on Friday that Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his deputies had violated the constitutional rights of Latinos by targeting them during raids and traffic stops here and throughout Maricopa County.
=================


https://www.alternet.org/civil-libe...ff-joe-arpaios-jails-who-knows-its-big-number

HUMAN RIGHTS
How Many Inmates Have Died in Sheriff Joe Arpaio's Jails? Who Knows, But it's a Big Number.


It's a nice thought that people aren't treated poorly by those who are paid to protect.. but it happens, and often. It was especially bad there.

None of the above refutes the facts of the investigation I mentioned which was not led by Sheriff Joe, only authorized by him.

 

[cowslinger64]

None of the above refutes the facts of the investigation I mentioned which was not led by Sheriff Joe, only authorized by him.

I wasn't posting to you.


I mentioned joe earlier as a basis for the thought process going into an investigation as you brought up. Someone like that has no business being thought responsible.


There are many other places where any bullshit he came up with can be shot down.


If sheriff Joe investigated the moon and found it to be missing, would you believe that over plain evidence of it's existence?

Uber conservative judge John Roberts swore Obama in TWICE ( a fact that a racist pos like you cannot stand) do you honestly believe he's in on it?

 

[psiberzerker]

None of the above refutes the facts of the investigation I mentioned which was not led by Sheriff Joe, only authorized by him.

He didn't have the jurisdiction to authorise it, on someone who wasn't even in the state, much less county at the time. The hospital can not release records without a supoena, written release by the patient, or a court order. He had none of these, because he shouldn't have been investigating a federal legislator anyway, and neither should anyone in his office. We have federal investigators to do that kinda thing.

So again, what was the investigation for, and what in the hell does the Maricopa Sheriff's Department have to do with it? Because without those, it's a crime for the hospital to release medical records.

This is precisely the same kind of legal idiocy as hiring Guiliani as a defense attorney, because they used to go out for drinks, and hookers together. (Allegedly.)

 

[IrezumiKiss]

None of the above refutes the facts of the investigation I mentioned which was not led by Sheriff Joe, only authorized by him.

What are the investigation's "facts?"

If you mean it was factually wrong, stupid and inevitably did a supreme brick basket for the ages, then chyeah...

 

[coachdb18]

He didn't have the jurisdiction to authorise it, on someone who wasn't even in the state, much less county at the time. The hospital can not release records without a supoena, written release by the patient, or a court order. He had none of these, because he shouldn't have been investigating a federal legislator anyway, and neither should anyone in his office. We have federal investigators to do that kinda thing.

So again, what was the investigation for, and what in the hell does the Maricopa Sheriff's Department have to do with it? Because without those, it's a crime for the hospital to release medical records.

This is precisely the same kind of legal idiocy as hiring Guiliani as a defense attorney, because they used to go out for drinks, and hookers together. (Allegedly.)

Kind of like a Hawaiian judge blocking a ban on immigration from some countries high on terrorism!

 

[psiberzerker]

Kind of like a Hawaiian judge blocking a ban on immigration from some countries high on terrorism!

True. Still no more bearing on this case than the immigration status of your kid. Having a Kenyan father is not a crime. Pretty much anywhere. Therefore, it wasn't a criminal investigation.

 

[Rightguide]

What are the investigation's "facts?"

The full report and press presentation by the lead detective is on YouTube. Why don't you see for yourself? But, we know why.

 

[psiberzerker]

The full report and press presentation by the lead detective is on YouTube.

Link. (Also, youtube videos are a more reliable source than the document itself?)

 

[coachdb18]

True. Still no more bearing on this case than the immigration status of your kid. Having a Kenyan father is not a crime. Pretty much anywhere. Therefore, it wasn't a criminal investigation.

Having a Kenyan father isn't a crime. Having a Kenyan father and running for President is illegal, but hey, all you need is a band of brothers with an equal interest in corrupting the Constitution and it's all good...

Does make me wonder why Obama would be interested in a Presidential library, I mean, what's he going to put in it, and empty safe full of non-documents? LOL

 

[psiberzerker]

Having a Kenyan father and running for President is illegal

huh. So, that's why you're not a Federal lawyer. Good to know.

 

[cowslinger64]

Having a Kenyan father isn't a crime. Having a Kenyan father and running for President is illegal, but hey, all you need is a band of brothers with an equal interest in corrupting the Constitution and it's all good...

Does make me wonder why Obama would be interested in a Presidential library, I mean, what's he going to put in it, and empty safe full of non-documents? LOL

Idiot.


Snip:

Legal requirements for presidential candidates have remained the same since the year Washington accepted the presidency. As directed by the Constitution, a presidential candidate must be a natural born citizen of the United States, a resident for 14 years, and 35 years of age or older.

 

[coachdb18]

huh. So, that's why you're not a Federal lawyer. Good to know.

Playing dumb doesn't suit you, he's not 'natural born', as the Founders meant the term. It was a means to prevent divided loyalties in our President, and he IS a naturalized citizen (one US parent), but not the child of two US citizens. It's all been done before, it was an argument that got politicized for the convenience of getting a black President. Enjoy it, at the expense of the country, and of the Constitution.

 

[psiberzerker]

Legal requirements for presidential candidates have remained the same since the year Washington accepted the presidency. As directed by the Constitution, a presidential candidate must be a natural born citizen of the United States, a resident for 14 years, and 35 years of age or older.

Well, they did change that he had to be a man, and a landowner since then.

 

[cowslinger64]

Playing dumb doesn't suit you, he's not 'natural born', as the Founders meant the term. It was a means to prevent divided loyalties in our President, and he IS a naturalized citizen (one US parent), but not the child of two US citizens. It's all been done before, it was an argument that got politicized for the convenience of getting a black President. Enjoy it, at the expense of the country, and of the Constitution.

God, you are really fucking dense.

Hawaii/Statehood granted
August 21, 1959

 

[coachdb18]

Well, they did change that he had to be a man, and a landowner since then.

Never Constitutional requirements....

 

[coachdb18]

Why do you think the Founders made different requirements of citizenship for membership in the Senate than that which is Constitutionally required for President if they are as you claim one and the same?

 

[IG_88]

Wow Coach really went off the deep end. Like really really bad. I almost feel sorry for him cuz obviously something bad happened to cause this.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

The full report and press presentation by the lead detective is on YouTube. Why don't you see for yourself? But, we know why.

Which you couldn't even link to because the landing didn't stick.

It was all a nothingburger of epic proportions with extra Birther mayo, but...it's all good, Vette. Because

and trying only to fail is always better than never doing at all! Have a Happy MemDay, buddy!

 

[IG_88]

The picture I posted was the "Wall" we can actually afford, before Goldfinger starts embezzling from the project. The one I just posted are the pie in the sky dreamboats that would be nice, if we didn't have to pay for them.

No you said the fence was the prototype. You even elaborated on it and claimed I needed proof that it wasn't.
It's exactly like when you claimed Planned Parenthood doesn't do abortions or even blood draws and that Trump never filed his taxes.
You say shit that's incredibly dumb and then argue it to death in the face of overwhelming facts and then claim it's not what you said/meant.
Grow the fuck up.

 

[IG_88]

For the War on Drugs? They already have catapults, cigarette boats, and airplanes. Which one of those prototypes is 1,000 feet tall? If the fence isn't going to stop them, the wall when we can't even fix a runway on Davis Monthan just isn't going to do it.

It's a Real Estate Scheme.

Yes, I just fucking said they will go over and under them and the walls won't work. What part of that didn't you understand?

 

[von_Bismarck]

Playing dumb doesn't suit you, he's not 'natural born', as the Founders meant the term. It was a means to prevent divided loyalties in our President, and he IS a naturalized citizen (one US parent), but not the child of two US citizens. It's all been done before, it was an argument that got politicized for the convenience of getting a black President. Enjoy it, at the expense of the country, and of the Constitution.

LMAO you really are too stupid to breathe.

 

[psiberzerker]

Why do you think the Founders made different requirements of citizenship for membership in the Senate than that which is Constitutionally required for President if they are as you claim one and the same?

Uhm, you just asserted that it was illegal to run for President, not the Senate. So, which is it?

Also, no. Having a Kenyan father is not illegal. Under any circumstances.