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[Fuzzy1975]

Flat earth.
Deuteronomy 13:7; Job 28:24; Psalm 48:10; and Proverbs 30:4

Age of Earth
Genesis 6-9

You'd think he'd know which verses you were going to source, if he knows the bibles as well as he claims.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

You'd think he's know which verses you were going to source, if he knows the bibles as well as he claims.

He hasn’t read it.

 

[JaySecrets]

You explaining gaps in science with your god does t require me to provide any other explanation to those gaps. We simply don't have an understanding of things.

So you don't have an understanding of things, but refuse to allow that the One who says He was and is there was and is.... Very scientific.

You explain not knowing some things by saying it's god. I explain it by saying that we don't understand it yet.

That has been the cry of evolutionists since Darwin's grandfather. Just give us more time.

Your book actually doesn't address those things........you interpret your book to make you feel like it does.

Addresses those things clearly and directly. In fact it says not one word of it is up for any private interpretation.

I don't have any god. And it doesn't require something from nothing.

Sure you do. Your god is human reason.

Scientists aren't meant to agree in the layman's sense. Agreement means repeating observation based on the same criteria.

Oh, so if someone is an "expert" they are to be trusted blindly, accepting they have no interfering motives or biased. But I have blind faith? That's laughable.

I have no god.

Again, you clearly do.

You don't understand how I can allow things to go unexplained.

And you need some book to tell you things that make you uncomfortable have explanations that made you feel ok.

That Book's explain actions make me VERY uncomfortable at times. It's one way I know it's true: no man would have written it. And I am asking how you can refuse to accept a random chance explanation of simple computer codes and number sequences, but except that same explanation for coding and sequences far beyond comprehension. That's illogical.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

He hasn’t read it.

Yep, he's just been brainwashed by Church.

 

[JaySecrets]

I don't give a fuck what Christopher Columbus believed.

Your statement was that it's stupid to say that people realized the earth was a globe because of the Bible, but that is exactly what happened, as Columbus himself testifies. And now you say you don't care what he believed now that the statement is flawed. Hmmm

 

[ll74]

So you don't have an understanding of things, but refuse to allow that the One who says He was and is there was and is.... Very scientific.

Your belief isn't an understanding of things. It's literally your lack of understanding filled in with someone else's bullshit.

That has been the cry of evolutionists since Darwin's grandfather. Just give us more time.

Yes, time brings more understanding of things. Saying it doesn't ignores all of history.

Addresses those things clearly and directly. In fact it says not one word of it is up for any private interpretation.

Lol...of course

Sure you do. Your god is human reason.

That isn't a god. That is humanity and our collective understanding of the world around us. It's how we've developed everything.

Oh, so if someone is an "expert" they are to be trusted blindly, accepting they have no interfering motives or biased. But I have blind faith? That's laughable.

I have repeatable observations. You have a book. I can literally recreate the things I know to be true (drop an object to the ground -> gravity) You literally believe things youve been told from a book.

That Book's explain actions make me VERY uncomfortable at times. It's one way I know it's true: no man would have written it. And I am asking how you can refuse to accept a random chance explanation of simple computer codes and number sequences, but except that same explanation for coding and sequences far beyond comprehension. That's illogical.

You don't know who wrote it. You've been told who wrote it.

Evolution is a theory that is supported by evidence.

God is a theory that is supported by a book.

 

[ll74]

Your statement was that it's stupid to say that people realized the earth was a globe because of the Bible, but that is exactly what happened, as Columbus himself testifies. And now you say you don't care what he believed now that the statement is flawed. Hmmm

People understood the earth was round because of math and science. Columbus had technology that was created by those people and said it was due to his god. God didn't give him compasses, celestial charts or maps.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Your statement was that it's stupid to say that people realized the earth was a globe because of the Bible, but that is exactly what happened, as Columbus himself testifies. And now you say you don't care what he believed now that the statement is flawed. Hmmm

Aristotle showed the world was round 300 years before Jesus came on the scene. About 1500 years after Abraham, and 1200 years after Noah, and 500 years before the Bible.

 

[JaySecrets]

You'd think he'd know which verses you were going to source, if he knows the bibles as well as he claims.

The ends of the earth is an earth-bound point of view, as is "the four corners". As in north, south, east, and west. We use similar language today. We don't talk about a beautiful earth rotation, we talk about the sun rise. But the sun didn't rise at all. We lowered.

The question is, does the Bible describe the earth as a globe from a non-earth-bound perspective. And it does. Isaiah 40:22 and Job 26:7 both talk about the "circle of the earth". The word Circle there .. is a word that means ball or globe.

 

[JaySecrets]

Aristotle showed the world was round 300 years before Jesus came on the scene. About 1500 years after Abraham, and 1200 years after Noah, and 500 years before the Bible.

But not before the books of Isaiah or Job, where the texts are found.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

The ends of the earth is an earth-bound point of view, as is "the four corners". As in north, south, east, and west. We use similar language today. We don't talk about a beautiful earth rotation, we talk about the sun rise. But the sun didn't rise at all. We lowered.

The question is, does the Bible describe the earth as a globe from a non-earth-bound perspective. And it does. Isaiah 40:22 and Job 26:7 both talk about the "circle of the earth". The word Circle there .. is a word that means ball or globe.

So your argument is that the Bible says the Earth is round and flat. Both of those can’t be correct.

 

[JaySecrets]

People understood the earth was round because of math and science. Columbus had technology that was created by those people and said it was due to his god. God didn't give him compasses, celestial charts or maps.

Yet the science and math used to make them came from Christians who expressedly credited the Bible for the basis of their mathematic and scientific understanding and discoveries. Some of them actually have some profoundly beautiful theological writings.

 

[JaySecrets]

So your argument is that the Bible says the Earth is round and flat. Both of those can’t be correct.

No, I am saying that the Bible uses poetic, normal idioms that normal people use. I am also saying that, when describe from a perspective not on the earth, the earth is described in both poetic beauty and scientific accuracy as a globe. And both can indeed be true.

 

[RoryN]

I'm showing two of my friends who are Christians posts by this JaySecrets' fool. They're shaking their heads and chuckling a bit.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

The ends of the earth is an earth-bound point of view, as is "the four corners". As in north, south, east, and west. We use similar language today. We don't talk about a beautiful earth rotation, we talk about the sun rise. But the sun didn't rise at all. We lowered.

I don't know what you talk about, nor do you know what I talk about, so don't claim you know what "we" talk about.

The word Circle there .. is a word that means ball or globe.

Circle is a circle, "sit above the circle of earth" So the Earth is flat and circular, not square.

"He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing."? No circle in that, no square either, though I can see a bit of a possibility with the hangeth. But hey you can also hang a plate....

 

[ll74]

Yet the science and math used to make them came from Christians who expressedly credited the Bible for the basis of their mathematic and scientific understanding and discoveries. Some of them actually have some profoundly beautiful theological writings.

Lol..of course

JFC you just need so badly to believe that your God is the reason for everything. You make up shit like this.

Galileo would like a word.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

But not before the books of Isaiah or Job, where the texts are found.

The book of Job was written anywhere from 700 BC to 300 BC, Isaiah is around 700 BC, but there is conjecture that some of the later charterers were written much later.

 

[JaySecrets]

Your belief isn't an understanding of things. It's literally your lack of understanding filled in with someone else's bullshit.

You are taking the unproven, unprovable claims of men by faith but you.... You really are blind.

Yes, time brings more understanding of things. Saying it doesn't ignores all of history.

And history has proven the Bible correct over and over again.

Lol...of course


That isn't a god. That is humanity and our collective understanding of the world around us. It's how we've developed everything.

Anything you place as your highest authority and guide is your god.

I have repeatable observations. You have a book. I can literally recreate the things I know to be true (drop an object to the ground -> gravity) You literally believe things youve been told from a book.

List your repeatable observations of one kind of creature changing into another kind. In fact, list just one.

You don't know who wrote it. You've been told who wrote it.

Countless atheists have become Christians when the put that claim to a honest, scientific test. Care to try for yourself? I can give you some great start points.

Evolution is a theory that is supported by evidence.

So list one observable piece of evidence of one kind of animal changing into another kind of animal

God is a theory that is supported by a book.

And evolution is a theory supported by blind claims of men and circular reasoning.

 

[JaySecrets]

The book of Job was written anywhere from 700 BC to 300 BC, Isaiah is around 700 BC, but there is conjecture that some of the later charterers were written much later.

The Dead Sea Scrolls destroy that conjecture

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Yet the science and math used to make them came from Christians who expressedly credited the Bible for the basis of their mathematic and scientific understanding and discoveries. Some of them actually have some profoundly beautiful theological writings.

The Sumerians are turning over in their dust piles......fucking laughable....

 

[JaySecrets]

Lol..of course

JFC you just need so badly to believe that your God is the reason for everything. You make up shit like this.

Galileo would like a word.

Well, I guess you are smarter than Isaac Newton.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

The Dead Sea Scrolls destroy that conjecture

Actually it was the scrolls that caused the doubt.

 

[JaySecrets]

Actually it was the scrolls that caused the doubt.

Provably false

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Well, I guess you are smarter than Isaac Newton.

Today, thanks to education, there are Millions of people smarter than Newton.

Oh and Newton was wrong too, very wrong, but he did invent Calculus.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Provably false

Then prove me wrong. Don't claim it. When I prove you wrong I ALWAYS have a citation.