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[JaySecrets]

At least we both agree you’re wrong.
You had a bunch of websites to try to prove creationism, but this you avoid.

We don't agree I am wrong. Problem is, no matter what argument, or what evidence, or what answers you get, there are always more challenges and questions that are antagonistic in nature. That's because you don't WANT to believe. I could have someone come back from the dead , come to you, and confirm my words in person, and you still wouldn't believe. You would have a reason to explain it away. Because it's not a head issue, not an intellectual issue at all. It's a heart issue. Yes there is plenty of solid, reasonable evidence, but if you don't want to accept it, you will always find another reason not to.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

We don't agree I am wrong. Problem is, no matter what argument, or what evidence, or what answers you get, there are always more challenges and questions that are antagonistic in nature. That's because you don't WANT to believe. I could have someone come back from the dead , come to you, and confirm my words in person, and you still wouldn't believe. You would have a reason to explain it away. Because it's not a head issue, not an intellectual issue at all. It's a heart issue. Yes there is plenty of solid, reasonable evidence, but if you don't want to accept it, you will always find another reason not to.

What evidence is there that when God parted the sea for Moses humans lost free will?

 

[JaySecrets]

What evidence is there that when God parted the sea for Moses humans lost free will?

Problem is that you are trying to judge the Book on your terms instead of treating it in its terms. Again, just open it and read. I promise, the answers to all your questions are in there.

 

[JaySecrets]

What evidence is there that when God parted the sea for Moses humans lost free will?

Seriously, brah, it's about the most accessible book on the planet.

 

[RoryN]

Problem is that you are trying to judge the Book on your terms instead of treating it in its terms.

It's absolutely adorable that you think you aren't trying to do the same.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Seriously, brah, it's about the most accessible book on the planet.

So why haven’t you read it?

 

[JaySecrets]

So why haven’t you read it?

I have read it, at length, many times, digging into the Greek and Hebrew study tools, studying it verse by verse in context. You clearly have not. But this isn't about an "I say/you say". This is about you needing to go to the source before naysaying base on what others tell you about it.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I have read it, at length, many times, digging into the Greek and Hebrew study tools, studying it verse by verse in context. You clearly have not. But this isn't about an "I say/you say". This is about you needing to go to the source before naysaying base on what others tell you about it.

But the source doesn’t say that humans lost free will when God parted the sea for Moses, you said that, so I am asking you about it.

 

[JaySecrets]

But the source doesn’t say that humans lost free will when God parted the sea for Moses, you said that, so I am asking you about it.

You are putting God on the stand, judging Him by man's standards, when you can't even see what is going to happen in the next minute and He sees the past, present, and future, and is Absolute Sovereign over it all. As though God is accountable to you. I suggest you read Job 38-42. God does not answer to you. You answer to God. You don't know more than God. You aren't wiser than God. You aren't bigger than God. Your demands that God's Eternal Wisdom answer to your finite arrogance and ignorance is the essence of a fool. Come to think of it, maybe read Proverbs too.

 

[ll74]

You are putting God on the stand, judging Him by man's standards, when you can't even see what is going to happen in the next minute and He sees the past, present, and future, and is Absolute Sovereign over it all. As though God is accountable to you. I suggest you read Job 38-42. God does not answer to you. You answer to God. You don't know more than God. You aren't wiser than God. You aren't bigger than God. Your demands that God's Eternal Wisdom answer to your finite arrogance and ignorance is the essence of a fool. Come to think of it, maybe read Proverbs too.

Lol

This guy that someone made up is above the law.

 

[JaySecrets]

But the source doesn’t say that humans lost free will when God parted the sea for Moses, you said that, so I am asking you about it.

And I never said that humans lost free will when God parted the Red Sea. You imposed that thought on me. What I said is that if God eliminated the consequences of man's actions and acted apart from those He chooses to use to solve those issues, then He would be in violation of the principles of free will, and violate what He already expressed as His purpose. And I suggested that instead of, as a puny fool, challenging the Sovereign, All-powerful, All-knowing, and All-loving God of the universe over the consequences of your lack of personal compassion and care enough to be personally involved in other's lives, you go out and do something more than demand government do your job of caring for the poor and needy. It's not their job. It's yours.

 

[JaySecrets]

Lol

This guy that someone made up is above the law.

The One you refuse to acknowledge DEFINES the Law. And He doesn't violate it either.

Made up... You have tangible proof of God's non-existence? Because the proof of His complex and intricate design is all over the universe, large and microscopic.

 

[ll74]

The One you refuse to acknowledge DEFINES the Law. And He doesn't violate it either.

I don't refuse to acknowledge anything.

Your beliefs aren't reality.

Sorry about that

Made up... You have tangible proof of God's non-existence?

There is none.

Because the proof of His complex and intricate design is all over the universe, large and microscopic.

Yes, you believe that.

 

[JaySecrets]

I don't refuse to acknowledge anything.

Your beliefs aren't reality.

Sorry about that


There is none.


Yes, you believe that.

So one of millions of fascinating examples. DNA reads in overlapping strands. For example, if I were to write, I like ice cream. Ice cream is good. If you knew what was being communicated I could write, I like ice cream is good, and it would communicate the information. DNA overlaps like that, not by words or sentences worth of information, but by volumes. It's part of how such complex data is so compacted. On top of that, it also reads cryptogram style, so skip to every 3rd "letter" in the DNA, and a whole different set of instructions comes up. It also reads like this forward and backwards, three dimensionally. Perhaps you could randomly change one thing and still make it work one way, though the chances of that are beyond the statistics of impossible, but remember, it has to read perfectly like that in every direction three dimensionally. We are now talking a level of palindrome that is beyond impossibility, and information that would be destroyed by one alteration. Because if it doesn't read perfectly on every level, the DNA dies. Life simply dies. With one slight change. You know, the kinds of changes that evolution of the kind you use to replace God demand billions and billions of. So tell me, what is more logical. To believe that insanely perfect design came from a Perfect Designer, or to believe a long time and random chances no one observed, over billions of years, worked many billions of perfect accidents over and over to the count of beyond trillions of them to create the "illusion of design"? You wouldn't accept the random chance argument in computer coding (or I hope you wouldn't be stupid enough to), but you accept in in something infinitely more complex and flawless?

 

[ll74]

So one of millions of fascinating examples. DNA reads in overlapping strands. For example, if I were to write, I like ice cream. Ice cream is good. If you knew what was being communicated I could write, I like ice cream is good, and it would communicate the information. DNA overlaps like that, not by words or sentences worth of information, but by volumes. It's part of how such complex data is so compacted. On top of that, it also reads cryptogram style, so skip to every 3rd "letter" in the DNA, and a whole different set of instructions comes up. It also reads like this forward and backwards, three dimensionally. Perhaps you could randomly change one thing and still make it work one way, though the chances of that are beyond the statistics of impossible, but remember, it has to read perfectly like that in every direction three dimensionally. We are now talking a level of palindrome that is beyond impossibility, and information that would be destroyed by one alteration. Because if it doesn't read perfectly on every level, the DNA dies. Life simply dies. With one slight change. You know, the kinds of changes that evolution of the kind you use to replace God demand billions and billions of. So tell me, what is more logical. To believe that insanely perfect design came from a Perfect Designer, or to believe a long time and random chances no one observed, over billions of years, worked many billions of perfect accidents over and over to the count of beyond trillions of them to create the "illusion of design"? You wouldn't accept the random chance argument in computer coding (or I hope you wouldn't be stupid enough to), but you accept in in something infinitely more complex and flawless?

You don't have evidence of your god being a god.

Not to mention being the one god that rules over all.

But keep saying you do. It's fun.

Saying there are gaps in science that can only be explained by your god is like saying that flat earthers only found out the earth was round because of your god.

 

[JaySecrets]

You don't have evidence of your god being a god.

Not to mention being the one god that rules over all.

But keep saying you do. It's fun.

Saying there are gaps in science that can only be explained by your god is like saying that flat earthers only found out the earth was round because of your god.

Yet you provide no answer for one of the simpler complex perfections in the universe, and there are millions more like it.

You have no answer except "the answer can't be God". You have already ruled out the possibility of a Designer, and that is the essence of unscientific. You keep calling me a flat earther, yet the Bible describes the earth as a globe long before anyone believed that. You keep making charges, yet when I give one small yet amazing piece of evidence, you can only stammer out insults.

Truth is, you have a god of the gaps too, but it is one that requires something from nothing and no one, lots of random chances in time spans so long that no one can observe or prove them, and your own scientists don't even agree on the time span, the methods, or whether man evolved from a fish or a monkey. That's the problem when "science" is reduced to fairytale drawings they can't prove to fill in gaps they can't find evidence for. Your god of the gaps is chance.

You have more blind faith than any "religious" person ever held.

 

[JaySecrets]

You don't have evidence of your god being a god.

Not to mention being the one god that rules over all.

But keep saying you do. It's fun.

Saying there are gaps in science that can only be explained by your god is like saying that flat earthers only found out the earth was round because of your god.

And for the record, Christopher Columbus wrote that he believed the earth was round because the Bible said so. It's literally in his writings during a time when everyone else thought he was going to sail off the edge of the planet, even many of his own crew.

 

[ll74]

Yet you provide no answer for one of the simpler complex perfections in the universe, and there are millions more like it.

You explaining gaps in science with your god does t require me to provide any other explanation to those gaps. We simply don't have an understanding of things.

You have no answer except "the answer can't be God". You have already ruled out the possibility of a Designer, and that is the essence of unscientific. You keep calling me a flat earther, yet the Bible describes the earth as a globe long before anyone believed that. You keep making charges, yet when I give one small yet amazing piece of evidence, you can only stammer out insults.

You explain not knowing some things by saying it's god. I explain it by saying that we don't understand it yet.

Your book actually doesn't address those things........you interpret your book to make you feel like it does.

Truth is, you have a god of the gaps too, but it is one that requires something from nothing and no one,

I don't have any god. And it doesn't require something from nothing.

lots of random chances in time spans so long that no one can observe or prove them, and your own scientists don't even agree on the time span, the methods, or whether man evolved from a fish or a monkey. That's the problem when "science" is reduced to fairytale drawings they can't prove to fill in gaps they can't find evidence for. Your god of the gaps is chance.

Scientists aren't meant to agree in the layman's sense. Agreement means repeating observation based on the same criteria.

I have no god.

You have more blind faith than any "religious" person ever held.

You don't understand how I can allow things to go unexplained.

And you need some book to tell you things that make you uncomfortable have explanations that made you feel ok.

 

[ll74]

And for the record, Christopher Columbus wrote that he believed the earth was round because the Bible said so. It's literally in his writings during a time when everyone else thought he was going to sail off the edge of the planet, even many of his own crew.

I don't give a fuck what Christopher Columbus believed.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

And I never said that humans lost free will when God parted the Red Sea. You imposed that thought on me. What I said is that if God eliminated the consequences of man's actions and acted apart from those He chooses to use to solve those issues, then He would be in violation of the principles of free will, and violate what He already expressed as His purpose. And I suggested that instead of, as a puny fool, challenging the Sovereign, All-powerful, All-knowing, and All-loving God of the universe over the consequences of your lack of personal compassion and care enough to be personally involved in other's lives, you go out and do something more than demand government do your job of caring for the poor and needy. It's not their job. It's yours.

So yes, you did in fact say that.

As you admit God did remove the consequences of Moses actions of challenging Pharoah. God chose to intervene to save the Jews who you said were slaves because they made bad choices.

Since God intervened, according to you, humans lost free will.

God could intervene to feed starving children, but God chooses instead to make those children go hungry.

You worship someone who starves children.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

And for the record, Christopher Columbus wrote that he believed the earth was round because the Bible said so. It's literally in his writings during a time when everyone else thought he was going to sail off the edge of the planet, even many of his own crew.

For the record the Bible says the Earth is flat and much older than 10,000 years old.

My advice would be to read the Bible, it’s free online.

 

[JaySecrets]

For the record the Bible says the Earth is flat and much older than 10,000 years old.

My advice would be to read the Bible, it’s free online.

Where does the Bible say the earth is flat and older than 10,000 years old? Chapter and verse, please.

 

[ll74]

Where does the Bible say the earth is flat and older than 10,000 years old? Chapter and verse, please.

It is older and than 10,000 years old.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Where does the Bible say the earth is flat and older than 10,000 years old? Chapter and verse, please.

Flat earth.
Deuteronomy 13:7; Job 28:24; Psalm 48:10; and Proverbs 30:4

Age of Earth
Genesis 6-9

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Where does the Bible say the earth is flat and older than 10,000 years old? Chapter and verse, please.

I don't recall the passages, but "the four corners of the earth" comes to mind.