Two! Four! Six! Eight! JaySecrets Prevaricates!

[RoryN]

Deplorables are going to try to sealion / b.s. argument this one until they feel they can claim a win.

Never gonna happen. But we can enjoy the lulz.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Did he say he didn’t?

Not how consent works.

 

[Pauljiggs]

let me take a second and explain something to you, from a woman's perspective:

there are women who will freeze in such a situation, not react at all, purely because of the shock and surprise of a man reaching out and grabbing her genitalia without being invited to do so.

some, in fear and to avoid 'a scene' or further actions on the man's part, might smile: an age-old avoidance of violence (that might come if he's rejected or spurned) and de-escalation action on her behalf as she tries to extricate herself from the situation.

yet others might be there for whatever they can milk out of his fame by attaching themselves to his name, working to appear charmed and flattered (as he expects them to be) all while trying to get ahead financially by lucrative job opportunities they see him as a portal to.

times have changed and nowadays fewer women, especially young women (unless they fall into the latter category) will quietly go along with that sort of sexual assault but will speak out loudly and not pull punches. Older women, who received that kind of unwanted "attention" from the wealthy and famous 10, 20, 50 years ago would generally speaking tell few people if any, feeling ashamed that it happened (as if she were somehow to blame by sending 'mixed messages') and it's only many years later they now realise that their silence/smiling was a tacit form of allowing this to continue. Women had been brought up in a culture that force-fed them the idea that to receive the sexual interest of a male (especially one of 'high value') was something that should make them feel valued. Today, we are less dependent on such notions and can desire to be sexually appealing to men/people WE decide appeal to US without needing to feel sexually desirable to any one else. Thankfully, the days of 'don't make a fuss/it was nothing/so he found you so sexy/doesn't it make you feel good he did?' etc..., are falling by the wayside. Culturally, those things that were 'acceptable' back then simply aren't today.

Just because you don't believe he did what he did to E.J.Carroll doesn't mean he didn't do it—as a jury has decided.

It’s not what I believe or don’t believe.
I am simply reacting to what has been said here.
He has been declared guilty here because of something he said 20 years ago.
And that was misquoted.
It was said here that because he was President the standards had to de different.
But when he said women will let you grab them by the pussy he was not the president nor even in the running to be the president.
I also referred back to Speaker of the House Tom Foley saying proof is not needed. On the seriousness of the accusations.
If that is the standard.
I am fine with that.
So long as it is a two way street.
But you and I both know.
It is not and it never will be.
If it was, Biden would be the monster Trump is.
For all the same accusations.
He is a lair, just as Trump is.
He is a thief, just as Trump is.
He is a woman abuser, just as Trump is.
But that will never be the narrative, will it?
Because the standards will never be equal.
The rules will never be the same for both sides.
And anybody who demands it is always attacked.
If a 20 year old auto recording is enough proof to condemn Trump?
Shouldn’t video of Biden grabbing a woman’s breast and her shoving his hands away and twist away from him, condemn Biden?
Never mind the buried accusations of assault by Biden to the DNC.
Shouldn’t Biden’s lies that saw him thrown out of the 88 election be enough to condemn him?
After he repeated those same lies in the last election and during his term as President?
Shouldn’t the accusations of taking bribes with the “proof” in his sons laptop be enough? Now that the DOJ has publicly stated the laptop is Hunters.
If the standards are going to be different, then all is fair.
Or do you see a duel standard a good thing beyond partisan politics?

 

[JaySecrets]

i'll engage this once:

of course not. don't be stupid.
there are rights to appeal and when those rights are exhausted, the rule of law has to be accepted, whether you agree with it or not. If you don't agree, if you believe 'the law is an ass', then you have the ability and privilege of petitioning to change that law.

the point is that it doesn't matter jack what you, i, or anyone else opines on given his credibility: the people that matter are the prosecution, defense, witnesses, defendant, judge and, ultimately, the jury.

that's all you get; you are not someone i feel happy conversing with and i don't own/desire to own a handmaid's bonnet.

But you are happy to kill babies. Got you.

And your own words condemn your stance. Juries get it wrong a lot... Except now because you don't like Trump.

And seriously, read the whole Billy Bush transcript. The only way you get the conclusions you do is by either ignoring context or imposing your opinions of the man on the words.

 

[JaySecrets]

It’s not what I believe or don’t believe.
I am simply reacting to what has been said here.
He has been declared guilty here because of something he said 20 years ago.
And that was misquoted.
It was said here that because he was President the standards had to de different.
But when he said women will let you grab them by the pussy he was not the president nor even in the running to be the president.
I also referred back to Speaker of the House Tom Foley saying proof is not needed. On the seriousness of the accusations.
If that is the standard.
I am fine with that.
So long as it is a two way street.
But you and I both know.
It is not and it never will be.
If it was, Biden would be the monster Trump is.
For all the same accusations.
He is a lair, just as Trump is.
He is a thief, just as Trump is.
He is a woman abuser, just as Trump is.
But that will never be the narrative, will it?
Because the standards will never be equal.
The rules will never be the same for both sides.
And anybody who demands it is always attacked.
If a 20 year old auto recording is enough proof to condemn Trump?
Shouldn’t video of Biden grabbing a woman’s breast and her shoving his hands away and twist away from him, condemn Biden?
Never mind the buried accusations of assault by Biden to the DNC.
Shouldn’t Biden’s lies that saw him thrown out of the 88 election be enough to condemn him?
After he repeated those same lies in the last election and during his term as President?
Shouldn’t the accusations of taking bribes with the “proof” in his sons laptop be enough? Now that the DOJ has publicly stated the laptop is Hunters.
If the standards are going to be different, then all is fair.
Or do you see a duel standard a good thing beyond partisan politics?

Very well stated.

 

[JaySecrets]

Not how consent works.

Read my responses to butters. You aren't worth repeating myself for.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Read my responses to butters. You aren't worth repeating myself for.

You haven’t explained consent or answered any questions.

 

[JaySecrets]

You haven’t explained consent or answered any questions.

Again, I answered the information. I have no interest in your dictating how I should talk or respond to you. You don't get to redefine terms of debate then demand I follow along. I do understand your confusion. You are used to getting to frame debates and conversations and words however you wanted, and our people rarely had the fight to push back. After all, we needed to be nice. That's what conservatives were.

Those days are gone. You have been answered. If you don't like the answer, too bad. We frame our answers in truth, not your artificial frameworks. You want the answers you want, go to an echo chamber or talk to yourself in a mirror. Hey, you can start a thread where you just talk to yourself and then answer yourself. And you won't have to deal with facts. And you won't have to be triggered. Just your own little self-loathi... I mean self-loving safe space.

Until then, your "You still haven't answered" is coming off as a child's tantrum.

 

[butters]

there's a whole magic world these magats live in

 

[Pauljiggs]

JaySecrets, this is why I try to stay out these types of debates, arguments, and conversations.
It’s only a downward circle to the lowest common denominator of political idiocy.
Neither side will change their mind. Neither side will ever admit to being blinded by partisan ideology.
Myself included.
And I view myself as centrist.
Neither right nor left. But in middle leaning left on some issues and right on others.
So with this I wish you and all other belligerents luck in this battle of self importance righteous indignation.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Again, I answered the information. I have no interest in your dictating how I should talk or respond to you. You don't get to redefine terms of debate then demand I follow along. I do understand your confusion. You are used to getting to frame debates and conversations and words however you wanted, and our people rarely had the fight to push back. After all, we needed to be nice. That's what conservatives were.

Those days are gone. You have been answered. If you don't like the answer, too bad. We frame our answers in truth, not your artificial frameworks. You want the answers you want, go to an echo chamber or talk to yourself in a mirror. Hey, you can start a thread where you just talk to yourself and then answer yourself. And you won't have to deal with facts. And you won't have to be triggered. Just your own little self-loathi... I mean self-loving safe space.

Until then, your "You still haven't answered" is coming off as a child's tantrum.

Still haven’t been answered.
You’ve run from any debate and try to reframe things and have your own conversation.

You have to own your misogyny

 

[RoryN]

this is why I try to stay out these types of debates

Out of 12 total posts in your entire Lit career thus far, 11 of them have been on the PB, in debates.

So, along with the rest of your content, that sure does look like some grade-A bullshit right there.

 

[Pauljiggs]

let me take a second and explain something to you, from a woman's perspective:

there are women who will freeze in such a situation, not react at all, purely because of the shock and surprise of a man reaching out and grabbing her genitalia without being invited to do so.

some, in fear and to avoid 'a scene' or further actions on the man's part, might smile: an age-old avoidance of violence (that might come if he's rejected or spurned) and de-escalation action on her behalf as she tries to extricate herself from the situation.

yet others might be there for whatever they can milk out of his fame by attaching themselves to his name, working to appear charmed and flattered (as he expects them to be) all while trying to get ahead financially by lucrative job opportunities they see him as a portal to.

times have changed and nowadays fewer women, especially young women (unless they fall into the latter category) will quietly go along with that sort of sexual assault but will speak out loudly and not pull punches. Older women, who received that kind of unwanted "attention" from the wealthy and famous 10, 20, 50 years ago would generally speaking tell few people if any, feeling ashamed that it happened (as if she were somehow to blame by sending 'mixed messages') and it's only many years later they now realise that their silence/smiling was a tacit form of allowing this to continue. Women had been brought up in a culture that force-fed them the idea that to receive the sexual interest of a male (especially one of 'high value') was something that should make them feel valued. Today, we are less dependent on such notions and can desire to be sexually appealing to men/people WE decide appeal to US without needing to feel sexually desirable to any one else. Thankfully, the days of 'don't make a fuss/it was nothing/so he found you so sexy/doesn't it make you feel good he did?' etc..., are falling by the wayside. Culturally, those things that were 'acceptable' back then simply aren't today.

Just because you don't believe he did what he did to E.J.Carroll doesn't mean he didn't do it—as a jury has decided.

Out of 12 total posts in your entire Lit career thus far, 11 of them have been on the PB, in debates.

So, along with the rest of your content, that sure does look like some grade-A bullshit right there.

Can I assume your misunderstanding of the word “Try” has led you to this conclusion?
Or is this the proof of blind political ideology?

 

[JaySecrets]

Still haven’t been answered.
You’ve run from any debate and try to reframe things and have your own conversation.

You have to own your misogyny

Ahhh... And here comes the buzzwords. Your argument is disintegrating before our eyes, friend. And in 7 pages. It's a record!

 

[RoryN]

Can I assume your misunderstanding of the word “Try” has led you to this conclusion?

I understand the word.

And we all understand that you're lying, and haven't tried for shit.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Ahhh... And here comes the buzzwords. Your argument is disintegrating before our eyes, friend. And in 7 pages. It's a record!

Still haven’t been answered. Yes, I keep mentioning the buzzwords YOU brought up. Funny how you don’t like to be held accountable for what you said.

 

[Pauljiggs]

I understand the word.

And we all understand that you're lying, and haven't tried for shit.

Funny how easy it is to call a man a liar through a computer screen.
I wonder if you would be so bold to say such a thing to my face?
Not saying you would or wouldn’t.
But I do have to wonder.
And I must tell you I doubt very much you would. But I could be wrong.

 

[RoryN]

Funny how easy it is to call a man a liar through a computer screen.
I wonder if you would be so bold to say such a thing to my face?
Not saying you would or wouldn’t.
But I do have to wonder.
And I must tell you I doubt very much you would. But I could be wrong.

I've been on a microphone in front of entire school bodies, pinging them on their shit. I have no issue whatsoever calling liars out to their faces.

The last one tried to take a swing at me. I dodged him and laughed until he frothed at the mouth like a chihuahua with meningitis.

 

[ishtat]

In September 2021 the Peoples Republic of China moved to restrict through legislation, women's access to abortions. Interesting that Alabama intends to follow the Communist example.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Funny how easy it is to call a man a liar through a computer screen.
I wonder if you would be so bold to say such a thing to my face?
Not saying you would or wouldn’t.
But I do have to wonder.
And I must tell you I doubt very much you would. But I could be wrong.

Why? What could you do if he said it to your face?

 

[jaF0]

Out of 12 total posts in your entire Lit career thus far, 11 of them have been on the PB, in debates.

So, along with the rest of your content, that sure does look like some grade-A bullshit right there.

Doh!!

Replace 'in debates' with 'childish rants' though.

 

[jaF0]

Why? What could you do if he said it to your face?

Sounds like a threat, no?

 

[Pauljiggs]

I've been on a microphone in front of entire school bodies, pinging them on their shit. I have no issue whatsoever calling liars out to their faces.

The last one tried to take a swing at me. I dodged him and laughed until he frothed at the mouth like a chihuahua with meningitis.

Well if you are ever in Gilroy Ca look me up.
I am the only custom saddle shop in town.
I’m easy to find.
Stop by anytime.

 

[Pauljiggs]

I've been on a microphone in front of entire school bodies, pinging them on their shit. I have no issue whatsoever calling liars out to their faces.

The last one tried to take a swing at me. I dodged him and laughed until he frothed at the mouth like a chihuahua with meningitis.

Just so you know it’s me.

 

[JaySecrets]

Why? What could you do if he said it to your face?

He wasn't making a threat. He was pointing out how easy it is to throw insults and purgitives on a faceless, unaccountable form, or on Ticktock or Twitter... I mean X (still hate that name for it), or Facebook, or other platforms. He's pointing out the laziness of internet courage and online virtue signaling. Few on here, probably including you, have the courage of your claimed convictions in real life.

And the fact you took an obvious point and turned it onto something lesser says more about you than it does about him