Why Every Adult Should Carry a Gun

[HisArpy]

Okay, counselor. Does the prosecution rest?

Yuk it up, you still look like a fool even when you fake the laughter you believe makes you look superior.

 

[AlexBailey]

Yuk it up, you still look like a fool even when you fake the laughter you believe makes you look superior.

Off the bench, is there anyway you are objectively better than me?

I’m not claiming superiority. I’m demonstrating it.

Sorry, I couldn’t resist. Really though, everyone here only knows you from what you post. Your arguments are either vapid insults or legal style arguments that don’t follow facts or sometimes even logic. This isn’t a court proceeding. You don’t get to decide what is and is not admissible.



If I look superior to you that’s on you.

 

[AlexBailey]

Lol. More of the strawman bullshit. So stunning and brave of you to show how much better you are than your own fantasies about others. Fantasies which show you in your true light - cruel and desperate.

My apologies, your honor. Let me direct your attention again to the part where I said that my post was a spun narrative in response to your baseless debasement of my poor little self.

You spin a narrative about me like I’m doing here about you, but I bet I’m way closer to the mark.

If necessary I could probably produce a language expert who could explain to your honor how the above passage implies jest and an acknowledgment that the narrative it refers to is fiction, and was not intended to be an actual representation of fact.

 

[Rightguide]

I agree with a lot of what you said on this post but you still aren’t acknowledging that some people don’t get the opportunities you’ve had.

“After you graduated from (public) high school.” “Worked days and went to school at night…” How much family support did you have? How much more affordable was school and rent (if you had to pay it) back then than it is now?

I moved out of my dad's house when I was 18. I took a job in the aerospace industry in the quality control engineering space. it was there I was able to work during the day and go to school at night. They were paying me to do both.

Do you deny that housing is a commodity for corporate greed and that is raising the cost of living, especially in places like California? Do you deny that rental prices are rising due to investors buying and pushing up rents to what the market will bear? Do you deny the effects that has on the consumer economy and job availability?

Government regulations significantly impact the cost of new homes in California. A study by the National Association of Home Builders (NAHB) found that regulations imposed by all levels of government account for 23.8% of the final price of a new single-family home built for sale. This percentage translates to an average of $93,870 added to the price due to regulatory costs during development and construction. This is why many are seeking living space and opportunity in other states.

Do you deny this is an endemic issue with unregulated capitalism?

Yes, I deny it. The reason is that capitalism really doesn't exist to any large extent in the United States. For example, An economy where the government has total control over both individual and corporate activities, and where corporations carry out government policies, can be described as a command order economy. This system is often associated with communist political systems, where the central government dictates production levels, controls distribution, and sets prices. It’s important to note that in practice, most economies are mixed, with varying degrees of government intervention and market forces at play. The terms socialism and fascism also involve significant government control but differ in ideology and implementation. Socialism emphasizes social ownership and democratic control of the means of production, while fascism combines authoritarian government with a capitalist economy, where the state exerts control over privately-owned businesses to achieve national goals. I think this last iteration of government control best describes what we see today in the United States today.

Homelessness is primarily an economic problem. Homeownership has long been the primary way for families to build wealth but that is becoming increasingly difficult for people to do. Not everyone, but it knocks enough people out of the market that there are macroeconomic consequences.

Old people on fixed incomes who don’t own their homes are showing up at shelters in rising numbers. What do you suggest? Shake your head, tell them what they should have done and tell them to stay out of sight?

The short-term solutions are difficult. They have to be helped but most importantly they have to be educated about what their politicians represent before voting. Most of these people have been lied to and betrayed by their elected officials. Elections do have consequences.

These are growing problems. If we only manage the symptoms the problems will continue to grow. Surely a rancher can understand that.

I live in the country on a beautiful river with several acres of land but I'm not a rancher in the true sense. I am blessed. I am a survivor of an economic war that is still ongoing and still dangerous to the unwary.

BTW, the concept of a Universal Basic Income is treating a symptom, not addressing a cause, still it’s one of the ideas being considered in light of the way AI and robotics are changing and decreasing the job market. Got any good ideas? How do you propose to “promote the general welfare” in this case?

The best way to promote the general welfare is to elect people who believe in our American principles. We already know what happens in the rest of the world where they don't exist. Throw Marxism out of our higher institutions of learning and go back to embracing individual liberty instead of the collective state. Return to the founding principles that created the greatest economic power in the history of the World. Go back to making sacrifices for our children as our parents and grandparents did for us. Look to the welfare of our future generations, not our own. Maybe then there is still enough time to undo the consequences to the future of what we have done to ourselves. The people who came before us had to live through a war of independence, a civil war, WWI, The Great Depression, WWII, and several wars and economic downturns since. The present is our burden to bear and to overcome.

(Also, thanks for having a real conversation.

You're welcome.

 

[AlexBailey]

I moved out of my dad's house when I was 18. I took a job in the aerospace industry in the quality control engineering space. it was there I was able to work during the day and go to school at night. They were paying me to do both.


Government regulations significantly impact the cost of new homes in California. A study by the National Association of Home Builders (NAHB) found that regulations imposed by all levels of government account for 23.8% of the final price of a new single-family home built for sale. This percentage translates to an average of $93,870 added to the price due to regulatory costs during development and construction. This is why many are seeking living space and opportunity in other states.


Yes, I deny it. The reason is that capitalism really doesn't exist to any large extent in the United States. For example, An economy where the government has total control over both individual and corporate activities, and where corporations carry out government policies, can be described as a command order economy. This system is often associated with communist political systems, where the central government dictates production levels, controls distribution, and sets prices. It’s important to note that in practice, most economies are mixed, with varying degrees of government intervention and market forces at play. The terms socialism and fascism also involve significant government control but differ in ideology and implementation. Socialism emphasizes social ownership and democratic control of the means of production, while fascism combines authoritarian government with a capitalist economy, where the state exerts control over privately-owned businesses to achieve national goals. I think this last iteration of government control best describes what we see today in the United States today.




The short-term solutions are difficult. They have to be helped but most importantly they have to be educated about what their politicians represent before voting. Most of these people have been lied to and betrayed by their elected officials. Elections do have consequences.




I live in the country on a beautiful river with several acres of land but I'm not a rancher in the true sense. I am blessed. I am a survivor of an economic war that is still ongoing and still dangerous to the unwary.


The best way to promote the general welfare is to elect people who believe in our American principles. We already know what happens in the rest of the world where they don't exist. Throw Marxism out of our higher institutions of learning and go back to embracing individual liberty instead of the collective state. Return to the founding principles that created the greatest economic power in the history of the World. Go back to making sacrifices for our children as our parents and grandparents did for us. Look to the welfare of our future generations, not our own. Maybe then there is still enough time to undo the consequences to the future of what we have done to ourselves. The people who came before us had to live through a war of independence, a civil war, WWI, The Great Depression, WWII, and several wars and economic downturns since. The present is our burden to bear and to overcome.

You're welcome.

Thanks for a thoughtful response.


Is it honest to say that in the US “..the state exerts control over privately-owned businesses to achieve national goals.”


Are you defining regulation as exerting control? If so that seems hyperbolic. The US government provides incentives and regulations, not operating instructions. This is promotion of the general welfare.

I think a lot of the concerns held by the right wing are fueled by rhetoric designed for the sake of business interests rather than objective science. The narrative is influenced by spin and accusations rather than honest debate.

Fascism? No. Incentivizing beneficial practices, yes.

Do you believe democracy is a threat to America? I don’t see many helpful ideas offered by the GOP. They tend to focus on reducing government and lowering taxes. Is it any wonder why people who are looking for solutions to social problems tend to vote for people who offer solutions?

 

[Rightguide]

Thanks for a thoughtful response.


Is it honest to say that in the US “..the state exerts control over privately-owned businesses to achieve national goals.”


Are you defining regulation as exerting control? If so that seems hyperbolic. The US government provides incentives and regulations, not operating instructions. This is promotion of the general welfare.

I don't think it's hyperbolic at all. Consider the following:

Regulations that govern the U.S. business sector is quite significant. A study by the Mercatus Center reported that the cumulative effect of regulations reduced the number of businesses in the United States by approximately 1.4 million, or 14%, between 1980 and 2012

The estimated cost of government regulation on the U.S. economy is substantial. A study by the National Association of Manufacturers found that in 2022, the total cost of federal regulations was an estimated $3.079 trillion (in 2023 dollars), which is equivalent to 12% of the U.S. GDP1. This figure reflects the economic impact of regulations across various sectors and highlights the significant role they play in the overall economy. It’s important to consider that these costs can influence business decisions, innovation, and competitiveness. Looking at these numbers there's no way my assertions can be fairly described as hyperbole.

I think a lot of the concerns held by the right wing are fueled by rhetoric designed for the sake of business interests rather than objective science. The narrative is influenced by spin and accusations rather than honest debate.

Business interests are what drive our civilization. They produce and fund everything we do in life. It funds life itself. Governments cannot make that claim. Our freedom to do business on even the smallest of scale allows for life itself. Our ability and freedom to do so is the cornerstone of our survival.

Fascism? No. Incentivizing beneficial practices, yes.

Do you believe democracy is a threat to America? I don’t see many helpful ideas offered by the GOP. They tend to focus on reducing government and lowering taxes. Is it any wonder why people who are looking for solutions to social problems tend to vote for people who offer solutions?

Our Republic allows the greatest protection of freedom. Democracy is three wolves and sheep deciding what to have for lunch.

 

[ll74]

I don't think it's hyperbolic at all. Consider the following:

Regulations that govern the U.S. business sector is quite significant. A study by the Mercatus Center reported that the cumulative effect of regulations reduced the number of businesses in the United States by approximately 1.4 million, or 14%, between 1980 and 2012

The estimated cost of government regulation on the U.S. economy is substantial. A study by the National Association of Manufacturers found that in 2022, the total cost of federal regulations was an estimated $3.079 trillion (in 2023 dollars), which is equivalent to 12% of the U.S. GDP1. This figure reflects the economic impact of regulations across various sectors and highlights the significant role they play in the overall economy. It’s important to consider that these costs can influence business decisions, innovation, and competitiveness. Looking at these numbers there's no way my assertions can be fairly described as hyperbole.

Business interests are what drive our civilization. They produce and fund everything we do in life. It funds life itself. Governments cannot make that claim. Our freedom to do business on even the smallest of scale allows for life itself. Our ability and freedom to do so is the cornerstone of our survival.

How many guns have you had taken from you? Be specific

 

[Rightguide]

How many guns have you had taken from you? Be specific

I have voluntarily sold several, but I wouldn't call that taking from myself. What does that have to do with government regulation on business?

 

[ll74]

I have voluntarily sold several, but I wouldn't call that taking from myself. What does that have to do with government regulation on business?

So you've never had your guns taken.

Got it.

It has nothing to do with government and everything to do with the fear mongering horseshit.

 

[Rightguide]

So you've never had your guns taken.

Got it.

It has nothing to do with government and everything to do with the fear mongering horseshit.

So what does that have to do with government regulation?

The reason why Americans still have their guns is because of the courts upholding the law and the 2A against the domestic enemies in the Democrat Party.

 

[ll74]

So what does that have to do with government regulation?

It doesn't.

The reason why Americans still have their guns is because of the courts upholding the law and the 2A against the domestic enemies in the Democrat Party.

Yes, they're coming to take muh guns! Is the running theme here

By everyone who has never had their guns taken nor has ever had the threat of guns being taken.

 

[AlexBailey]

I don't think it's hyperbolic at all. Consider the following:

Regulations that govern the U.S. business sector is quite significant. A study by the Mercatus Center reported that the cumulative effect of regulations reduced the number of businesses in the United States by approximately 1.4 million, or 14%, between 1980 and 2012

The estimated cost of government regulation on the U.S. economy is substantial. A study by the National Association of Manufacturers found that in 2022, the total cost of federal regulations was an estimated $3.079 trillion (in 2023 dollars), which is equivalent to 12% of the U.S. GDP1. This figure reflects the economic impact of regulations across various sectors and highlights the significant role they play in the overall economy. It’s important to consider that these costs can influence business decisions, innovation, and competitiveness. Looking at these numbers there's no way my assertions can be fairly described as hyperbole.

Business interests are what drive our civilization. They produce and fund everything we do in life. It funds life itself. Governments cannot make that claim. Our freedom to do business on even the smallest of scale allows for life itself. Our ability and freedom to do so is the cornerstone of our survival.

Our Republic allows the greatest protection of freedom. Democracy is three wolves and sheep deciding what to have for lunch.

So you don’t acknowledge any benefit from regulation? You just threw it all together as a detriment to business without any consideration of what the regulations protect.

Without regulations and accountability businesses and individuals have no financial incentive to preserve any environmental quality. Do you place no value on clean air, water, civic planning?

Do you think there is no value to food and drug policy?

Is there no benefit to regulation of banking services?

What does “promote the general welfare” mean?

 

[AlexBailey]

Our Republic allows the greatest protection of freedom. Democracy is three wolves and sheep deciding what to have for lunch.

So you literally do not believe in democracy? Is that just you at the GOP platform?

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

So what does that have to do with government regulation?

The reason why Americans still have their guns is because of the courts upholding the law and the 2A against the domestic enemies in the Democrat Party.

There is no such thing as the "Democrat Party".

 

[Rightguide]

So you don’t acknowledge any benefit from regulation? You just threw it all together as a detriment to business without any consideration of what the regulations protect.

Now I didn't say that, did I? I'd say that each one of the millions upon millions of unknowable regulations can all be justified by their authors. The question is, do they fall within the confines of the Constitution or their enabling legislation? We'll never know until they are applied to some innocent citizen who has the money to fight it in court, or it could survive for generations violating the rights and freedoms of the citizens who don't and those yet unborn. Eventually if not arrested a vast administrative state evolves which completely smothers the idea of government "by the people and for the people" because the "people" are now defined as those who work for the government, instead of those whose birthright is to govern. Their will no longer matters.

The government needs to be smaller and its scope extremely limited if freedom and the individual still matter.

 

[Rightguide]

There is no such thing as the "Democrat Party".

You're right, it's now known as the New Communist Party.

 

[RobDownSouth]

You're right, it's now known as the New Communist Party.

"Erryone and errything I doan agree with is COMMUNIST!"

 

[Rightguide]

"Erryone and errything I doan agree with is COMMUNIST!"

When you demonstrate communist tendencies and totalitarian policies you earn the label.

 

[RobDownSouth]

When you demonstrate communist tendencies and totalitarian policies you earn the label.

Each and every time someone has the temerity to disagree with your brand of totalitarian goose-stepping politics, you label them a Communist. This reflects poorly on you and brings great shame to both your father and your family name.

Small wonder your family banished you to Idaho.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

When you demonstrate communist tendencies and totalitarian policies you earn the label.

Communists hate the Democratic Party.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Let’s get this thread back on topic.

Pew pew pew! I thought I saw a puppy.

 

[AlexBailey]

When you demonstrate communist tendencies and totalitarian policies you earn the label.

What label do you earn when you demonstrate anti-democratic policies and advocate holding weapons for the sake of overthrowing the results of an election?

 

[AlexBailey]

Now I didn't say that, did I? I'd say that each one of the millions upon millions of unknowable regulations can all be justified by their authors. The question is, do they fall within the confines of the Constitution or their enabling legislation? We'll never know until they are applied to some innocent citizen who has the money to fight it in court, or it could survive for generations violating the rights and freedoms of the citizens who don't and those yet unborn. Eventually if not arrested a vast administrative state evolves which completely smothers the idea of government "by the people and for the people" because the "people" are now defined as those who work for the government, instead of those whose birthright is to govern. Their will no longer matters.

The government needs to be smaller and its scope extremely limited if freedom and the individual still matter.

So exactly what sort of regulations would you consider fair and what process would you consider legal to implement and enforce them? Any?

I suspect you would want the government to be so impotent that there would be no way for a voting public to have any say for what laws and regulations they want to create.

Your position enables plutocracy, leaving citizens voiceless and subject to the interests of wealth.

 

[Rightguide]

"Erryone and errything I doan agree with is COMMUNIST!"

No, only those organizations that share the same goals as the CPUSA. Compare the platform of the CPUSA and the Democrat Party and report the differences.

 

[Rightguide]

So exactly what sort of regulations would you consider fair and what process would you consider legal to implement and enforce them? Any?

I suspect you would want the government to be so impotent that there would be no way for a voting public to have any say for what laws and regulations they want to create.

Your position enables plutocracy, leaving citizens voiceless and subject to the interests of wealth.

No it doesn't. Nobody is listening to the American people as it is. The Biden government listens to itself.