Antisemitism in Canada

[HisArpy]

You’re the only one talking about superiority. Pretty rich from someone who is trying to tell members of an ancient group, who has had to fight for their survival for thousands of years, how they view other groups.

Yes, tell me how I don't understand merely because I'm not Jewish. Tell me I'm wrong because you persevered over the ages despite the hardships you ancestors had to endure. Tell me that I'm the problem because you have to call me "other" instead of accepting me and my views.

You have no idea what kind of HELL my life has been, what I've had to do to survive, and what scars I bear on both my body and my soul. For you to invoke the trials of generations past in order to try and tell me that MY SACRIFICE on your behalf (directly and indirectly) is worthless is vile in the extreme.

Hundreds of thousands of American's fought and died for your freedom. For you to tell them and their descendants that they're worthless merely because they aren't Jewish is beyond condemnation.

We trust ourselves, that’s how we survive, you can’t even imagine what it is like to be Jewish, let allow begin to understand how Jews think.

You have no idea how wrong you are. Nor do you care. All you see is that someone is correcting your poor behavior and you have to lash out at them personally in order to justify what you're doing and still continue to do.

 

[Typo Fu Master]

All Jews think “some Jews are wrong”. We’re a famously contentious people.

The point is: you have neither the scholarly expertise, nor the lived experience to have an informed opinion about Judaism.

If an Orthodox rabbi wants to come to this thread and cite the Talmud, I’ll give him a listen. He might even convince me I’m wrong.

But that would be a debate about Judaism within the Jewish community. The fact that you think than an uninformed outsider like yourself could contribute to such a discussion is the height of arrogance.

I never claimed that I did. You brought that baggage.

A non-Jew could live among Jews, be raised among Jews, study your culture and teachings, and get the sense of what it's like. Arrogance (and bigotry) is looking at an outsider's opinion and dismissing it because they're a straight, White male.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Hostility to Jews infuriates me.

 

[Chernosoth]

Christianity and Islam are both fan-fic religions. They wrote new stories extending the Jewish IP, then insisted their Mary Sue additions were canon.

We could also call them more evolved religions. The fanfic worked well enough to have a combined 4.3 billion people, while Judaism is around 14 million. Adherence to a very long list of rules because the rules are the rules is just silly to the 4.3 billion. The evolution that built a base of billions is writing a better story.

 

[Noor]

Hmmm? Sounds like AntiChristianty to add to Islamophobia.
Granted … it was the Christians who had the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition AND a few other instances of very unChristlike behavior

woah!
So Jesus wasn’t ever a Jew??
Damn.

Enjoy that battle

Jesus was a Jew, but he wasn’t a Christian. Christianity didn’t exist d
Urging his life time.
Nothing to enjoy, there is no battle.

 

[Noor]

Yes, tell me how I don't understand merely because I'm not Jewish. Tell me I'm wrong because you persevered over the ages despite the hardships you ancestors had to endure. Tell me that I'm the problem because you have to call me "other" instead of accepting me and my views.

You have no idea what kind of HELL my life has been, what I've had to do to survive, and what scars I bear on both my body and my soul. For you to invoke the trials of generations past in order to try and tell me that MY SACRIFICE on your behalf (directly and indirectly) is worthless is vile in the extreme.

Hundreds of thousands of American's fought and died for your freedom. For you to tell them and their descendants that they're worthless merely because they aren't Jewish is beyond condemnation.



You have no idea how wrong you are. Nor do you care. All you see is that someone is correcting your poor behavior and you have to lash out at them personally in order to justify what you're doing and still continue to do.

I have never said that non Jews are worthless, those are your thoughts and words not mine.
You don’t understand on so many levels.
If you are not African American or Native American/First Nations, can you truly say you understand how they think and feel? They also grow up knowing that they are a minority, that they can be killed simply for being, jobs they will have a very hard time getting, neighborhoods that are closed to them buying a house.
Even though the above is not legal in the US,the discrimination still exists, the red lining is gone in real estate, but it’s still happening. Redlining incase you are not aware was a practice where financial institutions and the government systematically deny services like mortgaged, loans and services to residents of specific neighborhoods based on race or ethnicity, blacks, Indians or Jews.
There were also racially restrictive legally binding clauses written into deeds.
The fair housing act of 1968, opened up mortgages at least legally.
Jewish activists involved in the civil rights movement helped strike down these housing laws.
Maybe if you looked up the Jewish part of the American civil rights movement, you might have a clearer picture of how Jews look at non Jews.
Jewish children thinking of non Jews, grow up being told “ whatever is hateful to you , do not do yo your neighbor” and “ remember we were once slaves in Egypt”
From early age They ware taught to set aside a portion of money for charity and justice in a Tzedakah box.
They are also taught that all people are created in the image of G-d, have dignity, that non Jews can be righteous and so on. This is mainstream Judaism, not the minority extreme fundamentalist groups, like any other group, nation or religion, Judiasm has extremists too.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I never claimed that I did. You brought that baggage.

A non-Jew could live among Jews, be raised among Jews, study your culture and teachings, and get the sense of what it's like. Arrogance (and bigotry) is looking at an outsider's opinion and dismissing it because they're a straight, White male.

Have you lived among Jews and studied our culture and teachings?

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Your dismissal of anyone who isn't Jewish is probably the worst offense of racism and bigotry you've exhibited so far.

NO ONE has to be Jewish to be a religious scholar. All it takes is dedicated study.

Yet here you are ready to dismiss them merely on the basis that they're not Jewish.

Have you studied the Talmud?

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

First of all this is called the Appeal to Authority fallacy. You invoke your expertise as a winning gambit regardless of whether you're correct or not. Most often this fallacy is invoked because the person doing it, is not correct but feels the need to prevail in the argument regardless of their incorrectness.

And there's the problem where you elevate yourself over others. That dear woman, is bigotry. It's also illegal under US law. You are FORBIDDEN from discriminating against others because of their race, RELIGION, national origin, sex, or age. By separating people based on whether they're Jewish or not, you violate the law. It's not actionable, but that doesn't mean it's not a violation.

What's worse is that your discrimination is directly against God's law and the Talmud.



When your own religious scholars tell you that what you're doing is wrong, stop telling us you know what you're talking about. You don't. You're stuck on your superiority and insist on telling those who don't ascribe to your religious views that they're "lesser beings" merely because they "don't understand."

Understanding isn't required, TOLERANCE is. Tolerance BY YOU and not those whom you insult with sly perjoratives and unsubtle digs at their way of life being inferior because it's not your way. There is no one true way other than understanding that all men are created equal. Equal before the law, equal before God.

For you to say otherwise is bigotry and racism on your part. That you were taught this shows how wrongheaded and intolerant your religious leaders actually are.

You, of course, cannot allow yourself to believe me.

As a religious scholar you should understand that the Talmud is not divinely inspired. It’s just the writings of the old rabbis. They argued among themselves all the time. We’re not bound by their decisions.

 

[Typo Fu Master]

Have you lived among Jews and studied our culture and teachings?

I have not. What I said is still correct.

I'm not here to bash on your heritage or beliefs. You came across as someone addressing another person that you seemed to look upon as inferior for not being Jewish. You made what looked like contradictory statements and then made what looked suspiciously like a bigoted comment about "straight, white males" when I addressed it. Have a good day.

 

[HisArpy]

I have never said that non Jews are worthless, those are your thoughts and words not mine.

Really? The language you use when you speak down about non Jews isn't intended to make them feel worthless? That calling non Jews Goys and Gentiles is intended to lift them up?

Get real.

You don’t understand on so many levels.
If you are not African American or Native American/First Nations, can you truly say you understand how they think and feel?

Because suffering and oppression are universal regardless of skin color or sex. I don't need to be a member of an oppressed class to understand how traumatizing oppression is. I don't need to be a member of a minority class to understand what they suffer, all I have to do is suffer myself. And I don't have to be a member to be shot at, stabbed, threatened, have my family threatened, and have to carry a gun to protect myself from being murdered merely for "being."

They also grow up knowing that they are a minority, that they can be killed simply for being, jobs they will have a very hard time getting, neighborhoods that are closed to them buying a house.

This is bullshit. Redlining is illegal and has been for decades. Laws exist to prohibit the kind of discriminatory acts you mention, which means they're not large scale only isolated incidents by wrongminded individuals who eventually get their comeuppance.

And let's not talk about being killed for the "crime" of being as if it's normal for everyone except whites lest we forget Iryna and the others who were murdered merely because they were white.

Basically your argument here is bullshit and deflection. Nothing more, nothing less.

Even though the above is not legal in the US,the discrimination still exists, the red lining is gone in real estate, but it’s still happening. Redlining incase you are not aware was a practice where financial institutions and the government systematically deny services like mortgaged, loans and services to residents of specific neighborhoods based on race or ethnicity, blacks, Indians or Jews.

I'm well aware what redlining was. I'm also well aware, as are most people who are honest with themselves, that it no longer exists in ANY form but there are people, like you apparently, who have such a victim mindset that they see discrimination everywhere even when it isn't there.

There were also racially restrictive legally binding clauses written into deeds.
The fair housing act of 1968, opened up mortgages at least legally.
Jewish activists involved in the civil rights movement helped strike down these housing laws.

Yet according to you those same activists, unless they're Jewish, "don't understand."

That alone highlights how much bullshit you're trying to spread around.

Maybe if you looked up the Jewish part of the American civil rights movement, you might have a clearer picture of how Jews look at non Jews.

Maybe if you understood what it means to be a lawyer who made a career representing minorities and the mentally ill you wouldn't say the things you don't know squat about.

See how that works?

Jewish children thinking of non Jews, grow up being told “ whatever is hateful to you , do not do yo your neighbor” and “ remember we were once slaves in Egypt”
From early age They ware taught to set aside a portion of money for charity and justice in a Tzedakah box.
They are also taught that all people are created in the image of G-d, have dignity, that non Jews can be righteous and so on. This is mainstream Judaism, not the minority extreme fundamentalist groups, like any other group, nation or religion, Judiasm has extremists too.

And yet you STILL call non Jews by names which are known and intended to be derogatory and try to justify it by pointing to the wrongs that were done in the past.

How wonderful it must be to know how righteous you are because you're Jewish and that the rest of the world is scum merely because they're not. How great it must feel to believe that those who sacrificed their lives to right those wrongs done to Jews throughout history are lesser beings who don't deserve the simple respect of not shaming them with derogatory words.

And of course the best one for last; how powerful you must feel to know that you don't have to atone for the sins you commit against your own God.

It's good to be the Jew/king, right?

 

[HisArpy]

I have not. What I said is still correct.

I'm not here to bash on your heritage or beliefs. You came across as someone addressing another person that you seemed to look upon as inferior for not being Jewish. You made what looked like contradictory statements and then made what looked suspiciously like a bigoted comment about "straight, white males" when I addressed it. Have a good day.

They are so steeped in their cultural oppression mindset they cannot accept that their culture is actively teaching them to act in ways which they supposedly are against. When challenged on it they invoke the historical trope of oppression and then the more modern one of how it's all the fault of straight white men. They then top it off with the 16 year old girl's outrage that it's everyone else's fault except theirs because no one understands.

 

[Noor]

Really? The language you use when you speak down about non Jews isn't intended to make them feel worthless? That calling non Jews Goys and Gentiles is intended to lift them up?

Get real.



Because suffering and oppression are universal regardless of skin color or sex. I don't need to be a member of an oppressed class to understand how traumatizing oppression is. I don't need to be a member of a minority class to understand what they suffer, all I have to do is suffer myself. And I don't have to be a member to be shot at, stabbed, threatened, have my family threatened, and have to carry a gun to protect myself from being murdered merely for "being."



This is bullshit. Redlining is illegal and has been for decades. Laws exist to prohibit the kind of discriminatory acts you mention, which means they're not large scale only isolated incidents by wrongminded individuals who eventually get their comeuppance.

And let's not talk about being killed for the "crime" of being as if it's normal for everyone except whites lest we forget Iryna and the others who were murdered merely because they were white.

Basically your argument here is bullshit and deflection. Nothing more, nothing less.



I'm well aware what redlining was. I'm also well aware, as are most people who are honest with themselves, that it no longer exists in ANY form but there are people, like you apparently, who have such a victim mindset that they see discrimination everywhere even when it isn't there.



Yet according to you those same activists, unless they're Jewish, "don't understand."

That alone highlights how much bullshit you're trying to spread around.



Maybe if you understood what it means to be a lawyer who made a career representing minorities and the mentally ill you wouldn't say the things you don't know squat about.

See how that works?




And yet you STILL call non Jews by names which are known and intended to be derogatory and try to justify it by pointing to the wrongs that were done in the past.

How wonderful it must be to know how righteous you are because you're Jewish and that the rest of the world is scum merely because they're not. How great it must feel to believe that those who sacrificed their lives to right those wrongs done to Jews throughout history are lesser beings who don't deserve the simple respect of not shaming them with derogatory words.

And of course the best one for last; how powerful you must feel to know that you don't have to atone for the sins you commit against your own God.

It's good to be the Jew/king, right?

Wow, I don’t know where you’re getting all this, your assumptions, lack of understanding and interpretation of my actual words are off the wall.

 

[HisArpy]

Wow, I don’t know where you’re getting all this, your assumptions, lack of understanding and interpretation of my actual words are off the wall.

I call 'em like I see 'em.

Here's a thought, if you didn't post statements that could lead to any "assumptions" maybe people wouldn't make them. Because, despite what you'd like to think, people generally don't just make stuff up out of thin air.

 

[rgraham666]

Damn. Humans sure do love to hate, don't they?