Antisemitism in Canada

[Pad_Foot]

Or others moved on with their God from their Book.

 

[Noor]

Or others moved on with their God from their Book.

They didn’t move on, they were never Jews.

 

[HisArpy]

They didn’t move on, they were never Jews.

Apparently you don't see the condescension here...

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Here you wander into the kingdom of denial. You may believe that Jews don't do it, yet for some reason there's those links which show they do.

Both can't be right. The question is; do you insert your own beliefs or learn that the world isn't what you want to believe it is?

Classic “goysplaining”. A gentile tells a Jew what her own beliefs are. Maybe just shut up and listen to Jews when they tell you about their own religion.

 

[ll74]

I'm equally anti religion, in a passive way.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Or others moved on with their God from their Book.

Christianity and Islam are both fan-fic religions. They wrote new stories extending the Jewish IP, then insisted their Mary Sue additions were canon.

 

[HisArpy]

Classic “goysplaining”. A gentile tells a Jew what her own beliefs are. Maybe just shut up and listen to Jews when they tell you about their own religion.

"Goy" - Slang, N, A perjorative used by Jews against non Jews.

"Gentile" - Slang, N, A perjorative used by Jews against non Jews.



And here you are trying to tell us that you're not racist or bigoted. The really funny part is that you're trying to tell non Jews to shut up and stop pointing out your bigotry/racism as if that will make it go away.

 

[Typo Fu Master]

Classic “goysplaining”. A gentile tells a Jew what her own beliefs are. Maybe just shut up and listen to Jews when they tell you about their own religion.

This sounds condescending. There is no good reason to believe a non-Jew would be less knowledgeable. Using the word "religion" in this context after declaring you're an atheist is ... odd? You acknowledge the belief of a higher power among Jews yet deny it exists. So, some Jews are wrong in their beliefs, according to you. And it's wrong for a non-Jew to point this out.

I'm equally anti religion, in a passive way.

You need to be noticed. We get that.

 

[ll74]

You need to be noticed. We get that.

Tell me more about your feelings.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

This sounds condescending. There is no good reason to believe a non-Jew would be less knowledgeable. Using the word "religion" in this context after declaring you're an atheist is ... odd? You acknowledge the belief of a higher power among Jews yet deny it exists. So, some Jews are wrong in their beliefs, according to you. And it's wrong for a non-Jew to point this out.


You need to be noticed. We get that.

Oh great! Another non-Jew ready to weigh on what Jews believe! Judaism is both a religion and an ethnicity. You can participate fully in Jewish life without believing in God. I know this might seem weird to culturally Christian atheists, but Jews know it’s true. Maybe just shut up and listen to what Jews tell you about being Jewish.

 

[Typo Fu Master]

Oh great! Another non-Jew ready to weigh on what Jews believe! Judaism is both a religion and an ethnicity. You can participate fully in Jewish life without believing in God. I know this might seem weird to culturally Christian atheists, but Jews know it’s true. Maybe just shut up and listen to what Jews tell you about being Jewish.

Cool story, bro. The closest thing I have found to agree with my beliefs is pantheism. Your beliefs actually fall within my beliefs. I really don't give a shit.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Cool story, bro. The closest thing I have found to agree with my beliefs is pantheism. Your beliefs actually fall within my beliefs. I really don't give a shit.

You admit you don’t know anything Judaism but nevertheless have strong opinions about what Jews believe. Oh for the confidence of a straight white man!

 

[Typo Fu Master]

You admit you don’t know anything Judaism but nevertheless have strong opinions about what Jews believe. Oh for the confidence of a straight white man!

Did I state that? You are entitled to your opinion. Does the confidence of a straight, White man compare with the confidence of a Jewish woman? Does my sexuality matter?

 

[HisArpy]

Did I state that? You are entitled to your opinion. Does the confidence of a straight, White man compare with the confidence of a Jewish woman? Does my sexuality matter?

She's been caught out and has now turned to the classic escape attempt trope - sexism.

It's not her. It's non Jews, whites, straight men, males in general, and anyone else she can blame rather than facing the truth.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Did I state that? You are entitled to your opinion. Does the confidence of a straight, White man compare with the confidence of a Jewish woman? Does my sexuality matter?

Straight white men are particularly prone to holding forth on issues they have no first-hand knowledge of.

 

[Typo Fu Master]

Straight white men are particularly prone to holding forth on issues they have no first-hand knowledge of.

I sense just a tad of prejudice. Some might call that racist. My position is that you think that some Jews are wrong and that "straight white males" can never know as much about Jewish history as Jews do. And you feel the need to bring sexual orientation and race into it as a means to justify your position.

 

[Noor]

Apparently you don't see the condescension here...

Because there isn’t any. Jews remain Jews by birth.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I sense just a tad of prejudice. Some might call that racist. My position is that you think that some Jews are wrong and that "straight white males" can never know as much about Jewish history as Jews do. And you feel the need to bring sexual orientation and race into it as a means to justify your position.

All Jews think “some Jews are wrong”. We’re a famously contentious people.

The point is: you have neither the scholarly expertise, nor the lived experience to have an informed opinion about Judaism.

If an Orthodox rabbi wants to come to this thread and cite the Talmud, I’ll give him a listen. He might even convince me I’m wrong.

But that would be a debate about Judaism within the Jewish community. The fact that you think than an uninformed outsider like yourself could contribute to such a discussion is the height of arrogance.

 

[HisArpy]

Because there isn’t any. Jews remain Jews by birth.

There is.

It happens when you calmly explain your superiority because your Jewish and non Jews don't rate. Because they're not Jews.

 

[HisArpy]

All Jews think “some Jews are wrong”. We’re a famously contentious people.

The point is: you have neither the scholarly expertise, nor the lived experience to have an informed opinion about Judaism.

If an Orthodox rabbi wants to come to this thread and cite the Talmud, I’ll give him a listen. He might even convince me I’m wrong.

But that would be a debate about Judaism within the Jewish community. The fact that you think than an uninformed outsider like yourself could contribute to such a discussion is the height of arrogance.

Your dismissal of anyone who isn't Jewish is probably the worst offense of racism and bigotry you've exhibited so far.

NO ONE has to be Jewish to be a religious scholar. All it takes is dedicated study.

Yet here you are ready to dismiss them merely on the basis that they're not Jewish.

 

[Noor]

There is.

It happens when you calmly explain your superiority because your Jewish and non Jews don't rate. Because they're not Jews.

You’re the only one talking about superiority. Pretty rich from someone who is trying to tell members of an ancient group, who has had to fight for their survival for thousands of years, how they view other groups.
We trust ourselves, that’s how we survive, you can’t even imagine what it is like to be Jewish, let allow begin to understand how Jews think.

 

[Noor]

Your dismissal of anyone who isn't Jewish is probably the worst offense of racism and bigotry you've exhibited so far.

NO ONE has to be Jewish to be a religious scholar. All it takes is dedicated study.

Yet here you are ready to dismiss them merely on the basis that they're not Jewish.

What are you talking about?
To understand Judaism, you need to live it. It is not merely a religion, it is a culture among an international, multi racial group of biologically connected people.
I’ve studied quite a few religions, lived in religious communities, I can know I lot of about the theology of the religion, but I would not presume to tell them how they think about those outside their religious esp if they are directly saying otherwise.

 

[Noor]

All Jews think “some Jews are wrong”. We’re a famously contentious people.

The point is: you have neither the scholarly expertise, nor the lived experience to have an informed opinion about Judaism.

If an Orthodox rabbi wants to come to this thread and cite the Talmud, I’ll give him a listen. He might even convince me I’m wrong.

But that would be a debate about Judaism within the Jewish community. The fact that you think than an uninformed outsider like yourself could contribute to such a discussion is the height of arrogance.

Two Jews, three opinions…. Kind of like economists, but many of them are Jews.

 

[Pad_Foot]

Christianity and Islam are both fan-fic religions. They wrote new stories extending the Jewish IP, then insisted their Mary Sue additions were canon.

Hmmm? Sounds like AntiChristianty to add to Islamophobia.
Granted … it was the Christians who had the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition AND a few other instances of very unChristlike behavior

They didn’t move on, they were never Jews.

woah!
So Jesus wasn’t ever a Jew??
Damn.

Enjoy that battle

 

[HisArpy]

What are you talking about?
To understand Judaism, you need to live it. It is not merely a religion, it is a culture among an international, multi racial group of biologically connected people.
I’ve studied quite a few religions, lived in religious communities, I can know I lot of about the theology of the religion, but I would not presume to tell them how they think about those outside their religious esp if they are directly saying otherwise.

First of all this is called the Appeal to Authority fallacy. You invoke your expertise as a winning gambit regardless of whether you're correct or not. Most often this fallacy is invoked because the person doing it, is not correct but feels the need to prevail in the argument regardless of their incorrectness.

And there's the problem where you elevate yourself over others. That dear woman, is bigotry. It's also illegal under US law. You are FORBIDDEN from discriminating against others because of their race, RELIGION, national origin, sex, or age. By separating people based on whether they're Jewish or not, you violate the law. It's not actionable, but that doesn't mean it's not a violation.

What's worse is that your discrimination is directly against God's law and the Talmud.

The Torah tells us that every human being is created in the image of God; therefore, racism and discrimination are forbidden. From the perspective of the Torah and Judaism, racism is not only an attack on human beings; it is also an assault on God. Jewish tradition also implores us to “love the stranger,” to pursue justice (tzedek) and to work to improve our communities and the world. We all have a responsibility to ensure that our communities are inclusive and free of racism. Rabbi Ahron Soloveichik wrote, “From the standpoint of the Torah, there can be no distinction between one human being and another on the basis of race or color… This key concept of kavod habriyot, the dignity of all human beings, constitutes the basis of human rights.”

https://educator.jewishedproject.org/content/why-judaism-forbids-racism

When your own religious scholars tell you that what you're doing is wrong, stop telling us you know what you're talking about. You don't. You're stuck on your superiority and insist on telling those who don't ascribe to your religious views that they're "lesser beings" merely because they "don't understand."

Understanding isn't required, TOLERANCE is. Tolerance BY YOU and not those whom you insult with sly perjoratives and unsubtle digs at their way of life being inferior because it's not your way. There is no one true way other than understanding that all men are created equal. Equal before the law, equal before God.

For you to say otherwise is bigotry and racism on your part. That you were taught this shows how wrongheaded and intolerant your religious leaders actually are.

You, of course, cannot allow yourself to believe me.