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Artists of Erotica...

I'm back and will need some time to react to all of the responses to my question.
But I would like to start with giving you all a big kiss for the thoughtful and heartfelt reactions.

You guys didn't let me down.

:kiss:
 
Black Tulip,

We're here for you. Our pleasure. Any time. :rose:

Saiyaman,

The new pages are great. This has been a fun storyline to follow ... thus far ... hint, hint, hint ... :nana:

Moon Dragon,

The original is poignant and well done. The colorings you did are also very well done. Where are you getting the art for them? I recognize most of the characters, but from where are you finding the artworks? :D

:cool:
 
Black Tulip said:
I'm back and will need some time to react to all of the responses to my question.
But I would like to start with giving you all a big kiss for the thoughtful and heartfelt reactions.

You guys didn't let me down.

:kiss:
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Great to have you back

Saiyaman, are you putting a comic together?

Moon Dragon, the pieces are sexy.
 
Mechanic's Help...

How in the world do I put an Avatar on in here? It has a button that I cannot "unclick" that says to not show my avatar. And, I can't figure out how to load it.

Confused in Kansas City...
 
rhinoguy said:
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a photoshop filter is a TOOL. using it does not make one an artist any more than someone using a screwdriver to open a can of paint makes them a craftsman, mechanic or electrician.

the net result can be "artsy" or visually pleasing.
I find it MOST often to be a short step from plagerism...when the original photo is not even one taken by the "artist"
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I think that sums up nicely why I feel a bit of a fraud when I pretend my playing around with pictures results in "art". For me it has also to do with the effort it takes to make something. Perhaps not valid, but that's what I feel. Maybe some remnant of the suffering artist image. LOL

rhino said:
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I also am dismayed by the general ignorance of the viewers of just what little is involved to get the result. the "real" artist in this is/are the programers who made Adobe Photoshop (etc...) possible
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I understand what you're saying here but it gives me a bit of an uneasy feeling. I know squat about drawing or painting. Well, maybe a little, but does that make my opinion less valuable? Not in my view, but I'm not sure that's what you mean.

Halo said:
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I started a bit of a ruckus in another thread once, because of my views on what is art and what's not. I don't believe that photography, alone, by itself, is art. Photography always will have one limitation that will seperate it from being true art: photography is limited to capturing what is in front of the camera. True art is only limited by the artist's imagination
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Interesting, I would never have come up with a criterium like this. But on thinking about it, I guess it comes very close to how I define what good writing is. I feel more qualified to have an opinion there (I'm a language teacher and an amateur writer after all) and one important factor is the final work has to add something new. A new point of view, a new thought, a new understanding...

A number of you have stated that the meaning of the artist has to come through. I have a bit of a problem with that. As far as visual art goes, whenever I am in a museum or a gallery, I go for what I like. My response could very well be something totally different from what the artist aimed for. QuietlyMakingNoise pointed that out as well.
I know this happens with writing too. People start seeing all kinds of symbols and maybe they are right, but the author did not made a conscious effort.

Small example. I changed the tune on my mobile to "I'm a Barbie girl". I think that's funny because I am so totally not a Barbie. Only when I told a friend, she pointed out to me how witty I am because she made the connection with the person I was going to visit. His name is Ken. I never thought about it, but yes, that was double funny. This happens to me a lot when I'm writing. Only afterwards I see how things interconnect. I can imagine that's what happens when you're into visuals as well?

As for the price of art. Well ... I posted a while back on one of the threads how happy I was to have bought a real painting. One of a kind, paint on canvas from a woman who has work in museums as well. I bought it because it makes me laugh, and it's full of life. That's what it means to me.
I would have liked to buy another one I really fell in love with. But that was way too expensive, more than a month's salary and too big to get proper placement in my house.

BlackSnake, I agree with you on mastery. If it's painting, drawing or writing, once you can tell by the style who's work it is, you're talking about mastery. But it means you have mastered your medium. It does not necessarily mean you're turning out art. LOL

TheLittleWolf said:
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People do not have to know how to create art to be able to appreciate it. But a little education about the art you are looking at makes you appreciate the piece even more
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I think there are two sorts of admiration intertwined here. Awe at the mastery and appreciation or more for the result.
On the other hand, if you know a special effect was done for the first time ever by a certain artist it makes you even more aware of how great an artist the person was or is. Seems I'm back with the imagination Halo mentioned as a necessary element.

The last point is the communicative value Rhino brought up. I know we have done two pieces together. One where his drawing inspired a story and one story that resulted in drawings to match. In both cases I feel something special happened, because the imagination of one triggered the fantasy of another. I cherish those two efforts because of it, but does that make it art?

Oh well, I had a lot of fun reading all of it and it gave me a clearer perspective. And I'm glad I was able to spark some discussion on the values each of us holds. Very interesting.

:D

Thanks again.

:rose:

As you can see, I'm limiting my visual efforts to my AV. :D
 
I was going to rant on about how I think photography is an artform, but I'm excessively tired and wasn't making any sense.


Nice post Black Tulip.
 
tolyk said:
I was going to rant on about how I think photography is an artform, but I'm excessively tired and wasn't making any sense.


Nice post Black Tulip.
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When you're up to your rant I'll be interested in reading it. I've got some intimate perspectives on this one and it's always interesting to see them challenged.

:cool:
 
Halo_n_horns said:
Moon Dragon,

The original is poignant and well done. The colorings you did are also very well done. Where are you getting the art for them? I recognize most of the characters, but from where are you finding the artworks? :D

:cool:
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Thanks. I edited my posts to provide credit links ... can't remember where I found the one pic though.
 
rhinoguy said:
you waaaaaay too virginal! You need 100 posts before you can upload an AV.
then you can use a 150pixel x 150pixel max image...RGB .jpg or .gif or .pic

so get less quiet and make some noise... about 80-something noises
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I suspected as much... Arghhhhh, damned the luck of us quiet virgins our there making noise.. LO

Thanks...
 
Man o man... sheesh

Having spent many hours just trying to get some of my software to work for simple things, I have nothing but respect for the folks who can make it work for them when it comes to making their vision come through.

OK, so, I even feel inferior because all I have been able to master is the crop & enhance levels & colorize hue & saturation tools. Some amazing fellows have taken some of my drawings and created animations from them. Holy cow! I thought when they first showed me what they could do.

You know, when someone makes something that touches them, I don't care how they did it.

I use photos and spend six plus hours some times drawing from them. Did I take the photo, is it my vision? NO! Yeah OK I did, or my husband did for a few, but what about those I didn't? My drawing is still mine. Is it less artistic because I used a photo? Even a photo of me?

I think it's a slippery slope doomed to hurt if any of us dare pass judgement on what is or isn't art.

Would that I could master the skills Photoshop offers me!!! Please!!!! It can only enhance what my hand can offer.

The fledgeling software artist whose skill, and YES talent, may well harbor a vision we as yet can't contemplate deserves our appreciation and encouragement.

I needed those first nods and kudos.. hell I deserved them

http://www.creativespankedwife.com/images/nymph1.jpg
 
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pattydraws said:
Having spent many hours just trying to get some of my software to work for simple things, I have nothing but respect for the folks who can make it work for them when it comes to making their vision come through.

OK, so, I even feel inferior because all I have been able to master is the crop & enhance levels & colorize hue & saturation tools. Some amazing fellows have taken some of my drawings and created animations from them. Holy cow! I thought when they first showed me what they could do.

You know, when someone makes something that touches them, I don't care how they did it.

I use photos and spend six plus hours some times drawing from them. Did I take the photo, is it my vision? NO! Yeah OK I did, or my husband did for a few, but what about those I didn't? My drawing is still mine. Is it less artistic because I used a photo? Even a photo of me?

I think it's a slippery slope doomed to hurt if any of us dare pass judgement on what is or isn't art.

Would that I could master the skills Photoshop offers me!!! Please!!!! It can only enhance what my hand can offer.

The fledgeling software artist whose skill, and YES talent, may well harbor a vision we as yet can't contemplate deserves our appreciation and encouragement.

I needed those first nods and kudos.. hell I deserved them

http://www.creativespankedwife.com/images/nymph1.jpg
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Yours is definitely art, and wonderful art at that! :rose:

:cool:
 
pattydraws said:
I think it's a slippery slope doomed to hurt if any of us dare pass judgement on what is or isn't art.

Would that I could master the skills Photoshop offers me!!! Please!!!! It can only enhance what my hand can offer.

The fledgeling software artist whose skill, and YES talent, may well harbor a vision we as yet can't contemplate deserves our appreciation and encouragement.

I needed those first nods and kudos.. hell I deserved them
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Patty,

I could not agree with you more!
 
pattydraws said:
http://www.creativespankedwife.com/images/nymph1.jpg
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Patty,

The level of detail you put into your art is facinating. The pressure point shadowing that you did where her body rests on the logs, the tension on the tendons around her ankle, the soft relaxed look on her face, and the look on her neck and collar bones are all exquisite!!!

Thanks for sharing your art, and your thoughts.
 
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