Banning private schools.

[SgtSpiderMan]

Not right wing legislation, district consolidation. A phenomena that started immediately after the creation of the Dept. of Ed. The sale point was a bigger district would have more money and more money translated into better education..........it didn't work.

Re. attendance and graduation. A larger applicant population along with government backed loans (debt traps) insures that.

Yes, Ish, right wing legislation. No Child Left Behind was a piece of R legislation that required schools hire more staff so scores could be reported.

You were wrong in your original post, you're wrong here, and you'll be wrong on whatever you post next.

 

[WillJ8787]

While I don't expect to see them banned what exactly is unconstitutional about it? I see this term thrown around all the time and nobody seems to be able to point me to the line that supports this or that. I don't know what part says I can't mandate vaccines. I don't know the part that states I can't shut down private schools. I can't find the part says I can demand you get a license before you go fishing or hunting deer though clearly I can. I don't know what part of it references abortion or even health care, can you please educate me?

Private school is a product on the marketplace, not just education. So, it's a choice and if you got the money it isn't ever going to be banned. And your correct, it can and is regulated by govt oversight.

Public Education isn't a product(but that could change) since most of us have no choice about paying school taxes. If you own property, you must pay, regardless of kids or not.

 

[bellisarius]

OK, the only real alternative put forth so far is vouchers/school choice.

I used to be a supporter of those initiatives. They do sound good on the surface and I can see why parents would want that option. What parent wouldn't? Here's the problem. Because every parent wants the best for their child they're all going to want the best school(s). In smaller districts that will most likely be one school, in larger districts two or more may be the best depending on what they decide to specialize in. That brings about a logistically impossible situation. First and foremost is the physical size of the school itself. Then there is finding the right staff to maintain the level of the academics. Ultimately that means that there will have to be some standards set as to who gets accepted and who isn't. And that my friends is discrimination. Not necessarily by race, gender, or any other physical attribute, but discrimination none the less.

The only real answer, as I see it anyway, is to force the school systems to raise up ALL of the schools. And that will require a radical change of thought and procedures on the part of the boards and the unions.

What is happening now is a battle of wills between the parents and the school boards/teachers unions and the only real leverage the parents have is to withhold funds by withholding their children and that seems to be exactly what they're doing.

 

[ll74]

OK, the only real alternative put forth so far is vouchers/school choice.

Your original post was about "banning private schools". Now your suggesting alternatives to completely change the school system.

Do you have an actual topic, or are you just using this to air out grievances against the current system and advancing your true agenda of including government funding for private schools?

Never mind....I'm sure I already know

 

[Cubantripod]

Your perspective is ass backwards. You can't improve processes without resources to so so.

You don't understand economics.

 

[bellisarius]

Your original post was about "banning private schools". Now your suggesting alternatives to completely change the school system.

Do you have an actual topic, or are you just using this to air out grievances against the current system and advancing your true agenda of including government funding for private schools?

Never mind....I'm sure I already know

You're the one that brought up vouchers Sparky.

Where have I suggested the government fund private schools? Instead of 'assuming' that I advocate something why don't you just ask?

What this is about is having a discussion.

 

[ll74]

You don't understand economics.

Lol...I understand that reducing staff typically starts at the bottom and throwing money at a problem remains at the top.

Both do a horrible job at remediating the issues.

And the whole "we won't pay you until you straighten your shit out" just ends up with people at thee top making shit up to pass the sniff test....while they remove the people who do the real work in the meantime.

Either way, you lobby for whatever horseshit you want.....

 

[LukSkyFokker]

You're the one that brought up vouchers Sparky.

Where have I suggested the government fund private schools? Instead of 'assuming' that I advocate something why don't you just ask?

What this is about is having a discussion.

Your homeschooling is showing, Ishtard.

 

[ll74]

You're the one that brought up vouchers Sparky.

Where have I suggested the government fund private schools? Instead of 'assuming' that I advocate something why don't you just ask?

What this is about is having a discussion.

Absolutely....because it was in direct opposition to your OP. Either support your subject or just admit you never had a point.

 

[bellisarius]

Absolutely....because it was in direct opposition to your OP. Either support your subject or just admit you never had a point.

WHERE have I advocated the government subsidization of private schools?

 

[ll74]

WHERE have I advocated the government subsidization of private schools?

How can you "ban" private schools when there is voucher prgrams in place?

Seriously....who is attempting to band private schools? What was your actual point?

 

[Cubantripod]

Lol...I understand that reducing staff typically starts at the bottom and throwing money at a problem remains at the top.

Both do a horrible job at remediating the issues.

And the whole "we won't pay you until you straighten your shit out" just ends up with people at thee top making shit up to pass the sniff test....while they remove the people who do the real work in the meantime.

Either way, you lobby for whatever horseshit you want.....

When you have competition, you have incentive to improve the product you put out. Until the public schools have competition, there will be no incentive to improve the quality of product. No different from police. There's a public monopoly on law enforcement. There's no incentive to change.

 

[pecksniff]

When you have competition, you have incentive to improve the product you put out. Until the public schools have competition, there will be no incentive to improve the quality of product. No different from police. There's a public monopoly on law enforcement. There's no incentive to change.

Competition is a factor that should never, ever be in play in public services and utilities.

 

[ll74]

When you have competition, you have incentive to improve the product you put out. Until the public schools have competition, there will be no incentive to improve the quality of product. No different from police. There's a public monopoly on law enforcement. There's no incentive to change.

Yes, the walking capitalism libertarian chimes in. Teaching children doesn't work that way. That is why no child left behind did not work

 

[Cubantripod]

Competition is a factor that should never, ever be in play in public services and utilities.

If you don't fear losing your job, there's no incentive to continue innovating and improving your product. It's basic economics and the foundation for laws against monopolies.

 

[Cubantripod]

Yes, the walking capitalism libertarian chimes in. Teaching children doesn't work that way. That is why no child left behind did not work

See my post above.

 

[bellisarius]

How can you "ban" private schools when there is voucher prgrams in place?

Seriously....who is attempting to band private schools? What was your actual point?

Let's start with the fact that there IS a movement in place to ban private schools. This can occur regardless of whether a voucher system is in place or not. The two are not mutually exclusive. In that the state, by statute, determine which schools are eligible to receive those vouchers banning private schools is no obstacle.

Here's one organization that wants to ban private schools.

Ban Private Schools

It is being openly discussed by the teachers unions as well. Considering that over $38 billion in funding has already gone missing is it any wonder?

 

[ll74]

Let's start with the fact that there IS a movement in place to ban private schools. This can occur regardless of whether a voucher system is in place or not. The two are not mutually exclusive. In that the state, by statute, determine which schools are eligible to receive those vouchers banning private schools is no obstacle.

Here's one organization that wants to ban private schools.

Ban Private Schools

It is being openly discussed by the teachers unions as well. Considering that over $38 billion in funding has already gone missing is it any wonder?

There's an effort to ban FroYo https://www.facebook.com/200277800101346/posts/680199158775872/

Your overreaction is noted. My original comment stands
...nobody will ever ban private schools....there is much more effort towards increasing it in the public sphere.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Let's start with the fact that there IS a movement in place to ban private schools. This can occur regardless of whether a voucher system is in place or not. The two are not mutually exclusive. In that the state, by statute, determine which schools are eligible to receive those vouchers banning private schools is no obstacle.

Here's one organization that wants to ban private schools.

Ban Private Schools

It is being openly discussed by the teachers unions as well. Considering that over $38 billion in funding has already gone missing is it any wonder?

There's no such movement.

 

[KeithD]

Ban Private Schools

It is being openly discussed by the teachers unions as well. Considering that over $38 billion in funding has already gone missing is it any wonder?

This source is six years old. Please cite something to back up the assertion you went on to make.

 

[bellisarius]

There's an effort to ban FroYo https://www.facebook.com/200277800101346/posts/680199158775872/

Your overreaction is noted. My original comment stands
...nobody will ever ban private schools....there is much more effort towards increasing it in the public sphere.

WHAT overreaction? This is going to grow, I'm merely bringing the subject to the board for discussion.

Don't give up your day job, you suck at mind reading.

 

[ll74]

WHAT overreaction? This is going to grow, I'm merely bringing the subject to the board for discussion.

Don't give up your day job, you suck at mind reading.

It's not going to grow, except in the fear.mongering bullshit right wing.

Like you. So feel free to have your bullshit discussion.

 

[RobDownSouth]

There's no such movement.

He knows that....he's just pearl-clutching tonight.

I don't have any problem with private schools, America has always had them. You pay your local taxes, and if you choose to send your offspring to private institutions, by all means pay their tuition and good luck to them.

The problem nowadays is that we're in the "entitlement generation".....Catholics and Evangelicals want YOU (the general public) to pay for THEIR child's religious education.

Sure, it's a clear violation of the establishment clause of the United States Constitution (establishing a state religion) but as America hater AJ, BoBo and Ish will tell you, the Constitution is just a Goddam Piece Of Paper anyhow.

 

[pecksniff]

WHERE have I advocated the government subsidization of private schools?

Are you against vouchers? That's what they do.

 

[bellisarius]

It's not going to grow, except in the fear.mongering bullshit right wing.

Like you. So feel free to have your bullshit discussion.

When there's that much money and so many union jobs involved you can bet it's going to grow. How far and how fast is up in the air now. And in which state it's going to come to a head in?

As far as 'right wing' goes, the videos I've been watching are showing a great deal of support from the black community. This subject transcends party politics. Every parent wants their child to have the best possible education, not indoctrination.

You, and you aren't alone, continually throw out "assumptions" as to my motives, wrong in every case, as opposed to actually engaging in a discussion regarding the actions that various political operatives may take to protect their constituencies, access to a ton of money, and furtherance of any particular agenda they may have. You make these assumptions regardless of the fact that if the 'indoctrination' were to swing in the opposite direction I'd be equally opposed.

So if you really want to have a meaningful discussion why don't you start with quit assigning 'motives' to me. Want an answer, ask a question. If nothing else you'll get me on record.