Banning private schools.

[pecksniff]

If you don't fear losing your job, there's no incentive to continue innovating and improving your product. It's basic economics and the foundation for laws against monopolies.

In public services, incentive comes from political pressure. It should never come from competition. The last thing we need is two competing police forces in the same town.

 

[mayfly13]

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see below

 

[mayfly13]

If I were an American parent and wanted to go Private,
how much would I have to pay from my own pocket, compared to Public schools?
How much % is funded by taxpayers, and how much do American parents have to pay?

I'd be greatful if someone simplified it to me, because without the basics I have trouble following the posts.


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The topic of Education is HOT nowadays, for # reasons according to country.

China is clamping down on private schooling.
-- part of it is totallitarian and has to do with CCP coming down on the private industry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykOKnO9R368
-- part of it is more legitimate.
Tiger Chinese parents now pay exorbitant prices after hours, for their kids to get a leg up. Which not only creates a cash-cowing revenue for businesses, but also puts ruch kids at disadvantage. After-hours English-training schools owned by English speakers have also been targetted, Native E teachers are now leaving China in drones.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/07/28/china-private-tutoring-education-regulation-crackdown/

UK and Australia higher education have suffered a further dive since covid.
Anglo Universities, which used to be the best in the world, are starting to resemble a money-makig scam.
"Universities during the Covid crisis: Let’s milk those student cash cows!"
https://renegadeinc.com/universities-during-the-covid-crisis-lets-milk-those-student-cash-cows/

 

[Cubantripod]

In public services, incentive comes from political pressure. It should never come from competition. The last thing we need is two competing police forces in the same town.

What do you think would have happened to Rayshard Brooks had he been stopped by a private police force? They would have taken him home and he would have had to go back the next day to get his car. Why? Because a private police force can't just pass the bill on to the taxpayer.

 

[mayfly13]

What do you think would have happened to Rayshard Brooks had he been stopped by a private police force? They would have taken him home and he would have had to go back the next day to get his car. Why? Because a private police force can't just pass the bill on to the taxpayer.

Q?
Is that you?

 

[CornusKousa]

I don't have any problem with private schools, America has always had them.

^^ clear proof Rob is a racist Nazi.

Sure, it's a clear violation of the establishment clause of the United States Constitution (establishing a state religion) but as America hater AJ, BoBo and Ish will tell you, the Constitution is just a Goddam Piece Of Paper anyhow.

And Rob is definitely projecting with this one.

I know for a fact the Constitution isn't even that anymore. Just a memory of what should be and "progressives" like Rob have worked hard to destroy.

 

[ll74]

Anti-union bullshit is bullshit. Unions protect workers.. They are too often used, as you have here, as an oversimplified scapegoat for conplex issues

Removing resources to solve problems never works. It shifts the problem elsewhere and encourages managing teams to focus on the appearance of solutions rather than creating solutions.

Saying "banning private schools" and then rambling about unions isn't engaging in discussion. Its identifying an issue that doesn't exist that idiots fake outrage about and a symbolic Boogeyman you choose to blame. This isn't an assumption...it's blatantly obvious even in the title of the thread.

Private schools aren't in danger of being banned. And unions/teachers wouldn't be to blame even if they were.

The continued blame of teachers for a made up issue seems to be a new trend of right wing bullshit . Kinda ends up being a thirst trap for Trumpies as well. Why is it that the right wing always blames the workers for the problem rather than anything else?

When there's that much money and so many union jobs involved you can bet it's going to grow. How far and how fast is up in the air now. And in which state it's going to come to a head in?

As far as 'right wing' goes, the videos I've been watching are showing a great deal of support from the black community. This subject transcends party politics. Every parent wants their child to have the best possible education, not indoctrination.

You, and you aren't alone, continually throw out "assumptions" as to my motives, wrong in every case, as opposed to actually engaging in a discussion regarding the actions that various political operatives may take to protect their constituencies, access to a ton of money, and furtherance of any particular agenda they may have. You make these assumptions regardless of the fact that if the 'indoctrination' were to swing in the opposite direction I'd be equally opposed.

So if you really want to have a meaningful discussion why don't you start with quit assigning 'motives' to me. Want an answer, ask a question. If nothing else you'll get me on record.

 

[adrina]

So ... A thread contending there is a move afoot to get rid of private schools transformed into an argument about why conservatives think it's okay to defund public ed.

Bizarro world - also known as just another day of deflection and ascription from the conservatives.

 

[ll74]

So ... A thread contending there is a move afoot to get rid of private schools transformed into an argument about why conservatives think it's okay to defund public ed.

Bizarro world - also known as just another day of deflection and ascription from the conservatives.

A thread about a right wing made up fear mongering talking point devolves into blaming of unions and teachers, which was the original target to begin with.

Sadly, the same unions they target these days were the ones that got their daddies their boats and houses from working on factory floors doing repetitive tasks that has since been replaced by robots or Mexico.

 

[Champakian]

Response to the OP

A totalitarian system cannot compete,
therefore it has to eliminate any competition.

You need to get the children while they are young
and do not understand the mechanics or goals of indoctrination.

All alternatives need to be encouraged because one thing we know it that
one-size fits all is discriminatory and disregards such things as free speech and liberty.

Where we will see any consternation on the part of the controllers will be in the diversity angle...

Are they willing to tell the Muslim community that it must send its children to secular schools?

 

[adrina]

A thread about a right wing made up fear mongering talking point devolves into blaming of unions and teachers, which was the original target to begin with.

Sadly, the same unions they target these days were the ones that got their daddies their boats and houses from working on factory floors doing repetitive tasks that has since been replaced by robots or Mexico.

They got theirs. That's what they care about.

 

[mayfly13]

A totalitarian system cannot compete,
therefore it has to eliminate any competition.

You need to get the children while they are young
and do not understand the mechanics or goals of indoctrination.

All alternatives need to be encouraged because one thing we know it that
one-size fits all is discriminatory and disregards such things as free speech and liberty.

Where we will see any consternation on the part of the controllers will be in the diversity angle...

Are they willing to tell the Muslim community that it must send its children to secular schools?

I totally am with you on that,
but how much do private schools cost in America, compared to public schools?

Are they funded by taxpayers (which would be ok) or do parents have to pay more? (in which case boo)

 

[Champakian]

Don't know, don't care, that's the beauty of Liberty.

There are so many great home-school options available.

I think that it's likely that different private endeavors work on
various price points dependent upon location and market niches.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Don't know, don't care, that's the beauty of Liberty.

There are so many great home-school options available.

I think that it's likely that different private endeavors work on
various price points dependent upon location and market niches.

How much remedial instruction did your Princess Little Shit require when your highly touted Project Homeskool failed and you had to throw her back into the public school system? As I recall, she was left behind at least a year.

 

[icanhelp1]

Yah, whatever works for ya. Public schools exist and deserve 100% of funding for their students...private schools have their own money and should not receive any govt funding.

Public schools receiving public funds need to be evaluated for efficiency and effectiveness, they need to follow high educational standards and if they don’t then changes need to be made, that doesn’t mean throw more money into broken systems.

Private schools are funded by parents paying to enroll their kids into private schools. Parents who choose private schools are double paying, one to public schools in the form of taxes and to private schools in enrollment cost.

 

[ll74]

Public schools receiving public funds need to be evaluated for efficiency and effectiveness, they need to follow high educational standards and if they don’t then changes need to be made, that doesn’t mean throw more money into broken systems.

Private schools are funded by parents paying to enroll their kids into private schools. Parents who choose private schools are double paying, one to public schools in the form of taxes and to private schools in enrollment cost.

Oversight and regulation is certainly important in public funded education.

Private schools don't have that.

You pay taxes for many things you don't use. Insurance works the same way. Don't like it, move to a place without it.

 

[Champakian]

Yes. That's an important point.
If you opt out of the failing government school,
then you are still forced to support the public school,
which is fine if you are wealthy, but this really locks in the poor
(think minorities, single-parent households, etc.) into failing schools
where the Left can gleefully inculcate them in their sexual and philosophical fantasies.


And the worst part, just like the Left blames the suburbs for the problems of the cities that they fled from,
the people who decline their "right" to public education are the problem causing failing schools...

 

[Champakian]

Oversight and regulation is certainly important in public funded education.

Private schools don't have that.

You pay taxes for many things you don't use. Insurance works the same way. Don't like it, move to a place without it.

Doesn't matter.
The parents who put them there are the oversight.

If the school is failing to deliver, they can do something about that
whereas if they try to do something to correct the problems of the
public schools, they are branded terrorists and the FBI is loosed...

 

[icanhelp1]

A totalitarian system cannot compete,
therefore it has to eliminate any competition.

You need to get the children while they are young
and do not understand the mechanics or goals of indoctrination.

All alternatives need to be encouraged because one thing we know it that
one-size fits all is discriminatory and disregards such things as free speech and liberty.

Where we will see any consternation on the part of the controllers will be in the diversity angle...

Are they willing to tell the Muslim community that it must send its children to secular schools?

Yes, you hit the nail right on the head. Competition breeds excellence.

 

[ll74]

Doesn't matter.
The parents who put them there are the oversight.

If the school is failing to deliver, they can do something about that
whereas if they try to do something to correct the problems of the
public schools, they are branded terrorists and the FBI is loosed...

Sure they are. lol

If you don't think your public school is up to par, then obviously you believe you have more control over a private school. send them there.

The terrorists are the ones making death threats.

 

[ll74]

Yes. That's an important point.
If you opt out of the failing government school,
then you are still forced to support the public school,
which is fine if you are wealthy, but this really locks in the poor
(think minorities, single-parent households, etc.) into failing schools
where the Left can gleefully inculcate them in their sexual and philosophical fantasies.


And the worst part, just like the Left blames the suburbs for the problems of the cities that they fled from,
the people who decline their "right" to public education are the problem causing failing schools...

Yes, taxation is theft. Move to another country that doesn't have it and you'll be fine.

"failing" schools is a complex thing to talk about. But sure, let's whittle it down to a few sound bytes to blame your political opponents.

 

[Champakian]

Yes, you hit the nail right on the head. Competition breeds excellence.

Maybe that's why so many seem hell-bent of bringing children down
instead of elevating them. It's so easy to level the playing field that way.
Equal opportunity? Perish the thought! We must have equal outcome to prove we're not RACISTS!

Of course it produces generations of timid half-wits
and this reduces the chances of true advances
in the technological fields. We've stopped
creating new breakthroughs and spend
our time and energies on "tweaking"
things. Apple iPod 13? Who the
hell are they fooling? They
improved selphies!

Big whoop...

 

[Champakian]

Taxation is not theft when it's voluntary
which is why I am down on property taxes
and very high of the concept of the FairTax.org.

That's why so many people fled the big blue cities,
because they don't see taxes as theft, it's just the government
keeping more of ITS money, money that it lets you earn, but you
probably did it on the backs of the poor, the oppressed, minorities, women, drug abusers...,

And on and on and on it goes.

 

[JohnnySavage]

People get really exercised over education. It's usually helicopter parents that think k-12 matters and their little snot-blower needs the absolute best. Or, old people that have no dog in the fight, they just want to feel relevant.

It's nonsense. The smart kids will thrive and be successful in life no matter how good or bad their K-12 education is. The dumb kids will always be dumb. What matters is intelligence and the socio-economic class of their parents.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

In public services, incentive comes from political pressure. It should never come from competition. The last thing we need is two competing police forces in the same town.

I can go along with having one police force. There is no reason to have a monopoly on schools.