banning single-use plastics

[chillywilly2]

They use biodegradable poop bags for dogs, easily translatable.

Yeah, I hate when my finger pokes through them damned things

 

[beew]

This is probably not worth the inconvenience to Canadian citizens.
Canada already does a good job with its solid waste. Most of the plastics in the oceans come from Asia.

Or India lol.

" India’s tallest trash mountain, dubbed the ‘Mount Everest of trash,’ [..] will soon be higher than the famed Taj Mahal.
The towering Ghazipur landfill rises by nearly 10 meters each year, putting it on course to grow taller than the Taj Mahal (73 meters) by 2020, reports AFP.

Last year, India’s Supreme Court warned that red warning lights would soon need to be put on the dump to alert passing jets."

https://www.rt.com/news/461585-india-ghazipur-landfill-rubbish/
https://cdni.rt.com/files/2019.06/l/5cff8975dda4c8945a8b4581.jpg

 

[chillywilly2]

And their rolling papers, too.
Hemp is an excellent replacement for wood. And oil. And cloth. And, and, and....

Nothing wrong with wood, if we harvested a bit more there would be less to brun in forest fires...now known as wild fires because it sounds more awesome combined with climate change

More energy density than corn for biofuels.

Biofuel is the worst thing that ever happened to the environment

You may want to take a look at Kentucky and Mitch's gravy train in the DOT headed by his wife. But I digress.

Beats me, thats why I inserted the Canada part

 

[trysail]

Half the time, the goddamned "planet savers" don't know what the fuck they're doing.

Here's a perfect example:




Are Plastic Bag Bans Garbage?

by Greg Rosalsky
NPR

"(NPR)...But, people who used to reuse their shopping bags for other purposes, like picking up dog poop or lining trash bins, still needed bags. "What I found was that sales of garbage bags actually skyrocketed after plastic grocery bags were banned," she says. This was particularly the case for small, four-gallon bags, which saw a 120% increase in sales after bans went into effect.

Trash bags are thick and use more plastic than typical shopping bags. "So about 30% of the plastic that was eliminated by the ban comes back in the form of thicker garbage bags," Taylor says. On top of that, cities that banned plastic bags saw a surge in the use of paper bags, which she estimates resulted in about 80 million pounds of extra paper trash per year.

Plastic haters, it's time to brace yourselves. A bunch of studies find that paper bags are actually worse for the environment. They require cutting down and processing trees, which involves lots of water, toxic chemicals, fuel, and heavy machinery. While paper is biodegradable and avoids some of the problems of plastic, Taylor says, the huge increase of paper, together with the uptick in plastic trash bags, means banning plastic shopping bags increases greenhouse gas emissions..."


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[Hal9000_]

Biofuel is the worst thing that ever happened to the environment

Why do you say that?

 

[chillywilly2]

Why do you say that?

The understanding that I am getting is all the extra fertilizer from growing excessive crops is washing into the lakes, rivers, aquifer and causing huge problems.
The runoff from Ohio into Lake Erie is going to turn it into a giant blob of algae and kill everything in the lake. Along with countless others in the midwest.

The biofuel really does nothing to help with greenhouse gasses but you can't get rid of it now because no politician would ever get re elected in farm country...

 

[chillywilly2]

and a side note

Our local college just went to single use plastic plates and utensils because the international students were stealing all the reusables..

 

[RocketLauncher]

The understanding that I am getting is all the extra fertilizer from growing excessive crops is washing into the lakes, rivers, aquifer and causing huge problems.
The runoff from Ohio into Lake Erie is going to turn it into a giant blob of algae and kill everything in the lake. Along with countless others in the midwest.

The biofuel really does nothing to help with greenhouse gasses but you can't get rid of it now because no politician would ever get re elected in farm country...

That's why hemp and bamboo are excellent solutions to our environmental problems. They grow like weeds (pun intended) no herbicides or insecticides necessary.

 

[chillywilly2]

That's why hemp and bamboo are excellent solutions to our environmental problems. They grow like weeds (pun intended) no herbicides or insecticides necessary.

You're not a Panda, you can't eat bamboo, and you can't make rocket fuel out of hemp

 

[von_Bismarck]

Half the time, the goddamned "planet savers" don't know what the fuck they're doing.

Here's a perfect example:




Are Plastic Bag Bans Garbage?

by Greg Rosalsky
NPR

"...But, people who used to reuse their shopping bags for other purposes, like picking up dog poop or lining trash bins, still needed bags. "What I found was that sales of garbage bags actually skyrocketed after plastic grocery bags were banned," she says. This was particularly the case for small, four-gallon bags, which saw a 120% increase in sales after bans went into effect.

Trash bags are thick and use more plastic than typical shopping bags. "So about 30% of the plastic that was eliminated by the ban comes back in the form of thicker garbage bags," Taylor says. On top of that, cities that banned plastic bags saw a surge in the use of paper bags, which she estimates resulted in about 80 million pounds of extra paper trash per year.

Plastic haters, it's time to brace yourselves. A bunch of studies find that paper bags are actually worse for the environment. They require cutting down and processing trees, which involves lots of water, toxic chemicals, fuel, and heavy machinery. While paper is biodegradable and avoids some of the problems of plastic, Taylor says, the huge increase of paper, together with the uptick in plastic trash bags, means banning plastic shopping bags increases greenhouse gas emissions..."


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Fuck off, twit.

 

[RocketLauncher]

You're not a Panda, you can't eat bamboo, and you can't make rocket fuel out of hemp

I wish I was a panda. So cute but fierce, being bears and all.
Bamboo is an excellent substitute for cotton (rayon) and lumber. They use it for scaffolding in Asia, and floors. The cool thing is it grows in swampy areas, not on arable land, and it grows at a phenomenal rate, as does hemp.
The reason they banned marijuana was because some stupid Ammurikhan president bought up tracts of forest for lumber so he basically eliminated the competition.

ETA Oh, and DuPont had discovered a chemical that softened lumber so it was easier to process back in the day. Yay DuPont!

 

[Hal9000_]

The understanding that I am getting is all the extra fertilizer from growing excessive crops is washing into the lakes, rivers, aquifer and causing huge problems.
The runoff from Ohio into Lake Erie is going to turn it into a giant blob of algae and kill everything in the lake. Along with countless others in the midwest.

The biofuel really does nothing to help with greenhouse gasses but you can't get rid of it now because no politician would ever get re elected in farm country...

Is the runoff really the fault of biofuel production , or just general corporate farming?

 

[chillywilly2]

Is the runoff really the fault of biofuel production , or just general corporate farming?

The biofuel. Production has increased drastically due to the introduction of biofuel.
It made a market for corn.
Another result is corn and other crops for food is quite a bit more expensive now

 

[chillywilly2]

I wish I was a panda. So cute but fierce, being bears and all.
Bamboo is an excellent substitute for cotton (rayon) and lumber. They use it for scaffolding in Asia, and floors. The cool thing is it grows in swampy areas, not on arable land, and it grows at a phenomenal rate, as does hemp.
The reason they banned marijuana was because some stupid Ammurikhan president bought up tracts of forest for lumber so he basically eliminated the competition.

ETA Oh, and DuPont had discovered a chemical that softened lumber so it was easier to process back in the day. Yay DuPont!

You didn't have some con artist go and sell you a whole bunch of swampland did you

Oh you poor girl

 

[Luk]

Excellent post luk..you have a lot to offer on the subject

Poor Luk, desperately seeking undeserved attention yet again.

I already schooled Rapey.

Oh, and thanks for the attention, dipshits.

 

[hobbit.]

Thats good, we really should develop an alternative, so what do you propose we use.

lets go old school Viking and use the skulls and pelvis (pelvisi?) of our slain enemies.

 

[hobbit.]

It's almost like you think changing the label from "single use" to "multi use" means that people won't throw it in the trash anyway.

excellent point - my wife has borne two children. modern consumerism would suggest disposing of her after the first one. (history would sugesst that the first one should have been sent back due to mental defects) leading to a surplus of previously used uterus' being washed up on distant shores.

 

[Hal9000_]

The biofuel. Production has increased drastically due to the introduction of biofuel.
It made a market for corn.
Another result is corn and other crops for food is quite a bit more expensive now

Are you sure? Corn already had a market. Something called High Fructose Corn Syrup, for one.

 

[chillywilly2]

Are you sure? Corn already had a market. Something called High Fructose Corn Syrup, for one.

I know a guy in Indiana that buys and sells the stuff for a living, thats kinda what he tells me.
The algae pollution is from watching a couple documentaries and talking to guys that fish Erie

 

[OneFineYoungCannibal]

So your personal preferences are all that are necessary for everyone to be required to do likewise?

The issue is about single use plastics; you're not telling me that you particularly want your single use utensils, such as straws and grocery bags, to be plastic?

 

[Weird Harold]

Are you sure? Corn already had a market. Something called High Fructose Corn Syrup, for one.

Ethanol is an additional load on the market. (thanks to corn-based ethanol mandates)

Ethanol would be a decent bio-fuel if not for the added cost of competing for corn supplied.

 

[HisArpy]

Aww you got all sensitive and jumped at me but can't take it when it's handed back to you.

You propose the least amount of action for something that needs a solution on a far grander scale. It is quite literally like pissing on a forest fire and expecting it to put out the fire. Consumer based solutions are pointless and ineffective with our current production level. And the market for recyclables is shrinking. Not growing.

The only thing you've suggested of any merit is working on the production side. However any effort to reign in industrial production of plastics has been fought tooth and nail - especially by the conservatives.

You've had your ass handed to you - again - so you do your usual. Wrap yourself up in your victimhood while trying to play catch up on the sarcasm game.

This is why I don't bother with you.

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Really?

Please quote the post in this thread where I "jumped at you" (supposedly meaning that I flamed you first) for something you said prior to the quoted post.

I ask because re-reading the entire thread I seem to have been conversing quiet nicely on this subject. Or, at least right up to the point where you went off the rails and started the Ad Hom fest you're prone to.

This is what commonly happens whenever people engage in debate with you; you start off ok but when you run out of depth of subject, you immediately start the personal attacks and then claim that "you're done talking" or similar language. Then you throw in the "pretzel logic" meme.

Debate isn't about tossing out a few bumper sticker slogans. If you don't have more than that, go educate yourself and come back. It's not like these topics are one-off and never come up again. Your failure to do that and then trying to make it seem as if the fault is on someone else just makes you look like an idjit. Even to yourself.

 

[oralaccents]

Oh, and thanks for the attention, dipshits.

Here’s a little more, Needy1.

 

[HisArpy]

The issue is about single use plastics; you're not telling me that you particularly want your single use utensils, such as straws and grocery bags, to be plastic?

That's not the issue at all.

No plastic is "single use" because it's all recyclable in some form. The problem is that it's too expensive to do that and use the recycled plastics again versus the cost of new plastics.

Thus the real issue is how do we change that equation.

To that end, I believe that if the government offered tax incentives to businesses which use recycled plastics and didn't offer those incentives to businesses which don't, you'd see a surge in recycled plastic use.

You'd probably see new and inventive uses for plastics, like polar fleece, start to show up too.

 

[oralaccents]

Can we also make printer toner less expensve than printers?

I throw out printers when they run out of toner and buy a new one.

Way cheaper, but such waste!