BDSM posters face pictures

[FurryFury]

This is just one of the reasons I admire you!

Fury

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

Many people have well founded fears about being outted. Being outted can have familial, financial, social, and criminal consequences. That's why I am a member of the National Coalition for Sexual Freedom, that's why I pushed my BDSM group into becoming Coalition Partners of the NCSF, it's why I am personally out and active in the BDSM community. It's my way of being a candle and pushing back the night of ignorance, prejudice, and fear.

July 26, 2005 - New York A three judge panel has made a decision in the National Coalition for Sexual Freedom and acclaimed photographer Barbara Nitke's challenge against the Communications Decency Act (CDA) which criminalizes free speech on the Internet. According to the court, the plaintiffs presented "insufficient evidence" to support findings that the variation in community standards is substantial enough that protected speech is inhibited by the CDA.

According to the decision handed down by the Federal District Court for the Southern District of NY, in case #01 CIV 11476 (RMB): "The plaintiffs have offered evidence that there are at least 1.4 million Websites that mention "BDSM" (bondage, discipline, and
sadomasochism)... The plaintiffs have submitted images and written works that represent material posted to a small number of Websites, that they contend may be considered obscene in some communities but not in others. These examples provide us with an insufficient basis upon which to make a finding as to the total amount of speech that is protected in some communities but that is prohibited by the CDA because it is obscene in other communities."

The court agreed that NCSF members and Barbara Nitke are genuinely at risk of prosecution under the CDA and that their speech has in fact been inhibited. According to the decision: "Nitke's fear that the CDA will be enforced against her is actual and well-founded. She has submitted objective evidence to substantiate the claim that she has been deterred from exercising her free-speech rights, and this fear is based on a reasonable interpretation of the CDA... NCSF has submitted objective evidence that one of its member organizations, TES, has been deterred from exercising its free-speech rights and that this deterrence is based on a well- founded fear that the CDA would be enforced against it."

John Wirenius, attorney for the plaintiffs, says, "We are disappointed that the court did not act on the uncontradicted evidence we presented that artists and citizens who are sexual minorities are disproportionately censored by the Government's ability to pick its
own forum and standard for obscenity cases. The government brings obscenity cases where it knows it can get convictions."

"I am appalled by this decision," says co-plaintiff Barbara Nitke, a fine art photographer who explores sexual relationships in her work. "It is vitally important to keep the Internet free for education, the arts and open discussion on sexual topics. This law is a form of unfair censorship that must be stopped. I am absolutely going to appeal this.

NCSF challenged against the CDA law because personal websites and chat groups that include discussions and images of SM, swinging or polyamory are at risk of prosecution. Membership groups that maintain educational websites about adult sexuality are also at risk. Under the Bush administration, nearly 40 prosecutors, as well as investigators and FBI agents are spending millions of dollars to bring anti-obscenity cases to courthouses across the country for the first time in 10 years. Obscenity is judged by "local community standards," which means that a religious political extremist in the Midwest can claim that a website from San Francisco is obscene and therefore illegal.

NCSF is dedicated to proactively challenging the rise in obscenity and pornography prosecutions, including filing an Amicus Briefs in support of Extreme Associates, andsupporting the Free Speech Coalition's injunction filed against the expanded record-keeping provisions of 18 U.S.C. B' 2257.

To contribute to the expenses of the CDA lawsuit, go to: www.ncsfreedom.org/donations.htm
Every dollar goes directly to ensuring free speech on the Internet.

National Coalition for Sexual Freedom - www.ncsfreedom.org
Barbara Nitke - www.barbaranitke.com

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A project of NCSF

The National Coalition for Sexual Freedom is a national organization committed to creating a political, legal, and social environment in the United States that advances equal rights of consenting adults who practice forms of alternative sexual expression. NCSF is primarily focused on the rights of consenting adults in the SM-leather-fetish, swing, and polyamory communities, who often face
discrimination because of their sexual expression.

National Coalition for Sexual Freedom
822 Guilford Avenue, Box 127
Baltimore, MD 21202-3707
410-539-4824
media@ncsfreedom.org
www.ncsfreedom.org
~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This is the last news I have in my personal files . Impressive "that's why I pushed my BDSM group into becoming Coalition Partners of the NCSF" Evil Geoff Sir...........any chance you would 'bump' your Thread here for the newbies to the Forum like myself.
Yes the use of the word 'Sir' was intentional, Evil Geoff has exhibited in his own words a strength of chartacter and tolerence which I personaly respect.

 

[Andante]

... Protecting the privacy of our fellow kinksters is not something we should consider a burden or problem. It should be a duty, a requirement, an obligation, a responsibility. And one we should consider a priviledge. Because if someone trusts you/me/us enough to share their face/name with us, they are trusting us, literally, with their lifestyle, their jobs, their families.

That's not to be taken lightly, or glibly. It's a sacred trust.

I hear and believe every word you say. I also remember the Spanner case and how it caused the Danish BDSM-society to launch a backing-campaign.
I have great admiration for your attitude and way of acting. There is not one word of yours that I disagree with.

And your post and what is said in @}-}rebecca----'s later post #1177 makes me even happier that I am living in a more liberal and down-to-earth society.

 

[alice_underneath]

Because if someone trusts you/me/us enough to share their face/name with us, they are trusting us, literally, with their lifestyle, their jobs, their families.

*stands up*

*claps*

Exactly! Precisely! Very well said!

I would just add one thing.....

"Kinksters" have a responsibility to protect themselves.

Honest, responsible, & respectful Geoff, Rebecca, Alice, Andante, et al, are not the only ones who can view these boards.

And at the end of the day, YOU (individual kinkster) have a responsibility to protect your own lifestyle, job, and family - present & future.

You will not always be single. You will not always be childless. You will not always be in school or a job where no one cares what you do in your bedroom.

Revealing proof of your identity here may be fun and flattering. But it is also a risk. Make sure the risk is worth whatever you hope to achieve with the revelation.

Alice

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

Have fun, but never forget: Life is not a fairytale. Watch your back.
.

Room for Thought by Pat (reposted with permission)

Since many of you know me personally I felt this was the best place to tell the community about an experience I just went through. I met a sub online who lives locally, Yuba City, and after many conversations in various chat mediums and daily phone calls we met to play at her home.

She was well aware of how hard I am and wanted that kind of use. Last Saturday night I went to see her and we did play very hard as the bruises on her body would attest. She could take a lot and can without a doubt be called a painslut. Before any play started she asked for me not to do a couple of things, one of which was not to restrain her. I honored her requests for the entire night.

During the course of the evening we had sex, oral and vaginal. Part of the play was vaginal slapping, light caning and paddling. At the end of the evening she even paid me for coming up (part of the humiliation aspect agreed on in advance) and set up an additional meeting for the next day since she had to go to work that night.

As I was leaving she asked for a few more swats from the paddle on the back of her thighs, which I gave her. We then hugged and kissed and I left. I left my toy bag there since I was coming right back. AT one point this girl was with one of the local Modesto members, which to me gave her credibility in my eyes although I never talked to them about her.

I returned the next day, Sunday at noon, and no one was at home. I called her cell phone and some other woman answered. When I questioned her about the girl she said their phones had been switched but she would get hold of her and let her know I was there. I stood by my car and then a cop car pulled up. I was told to stand away from my car, asked if I had any weapons, told to turn around and was cuffed with no explanation. Very shortly 2 more police cars arrived, I was read my rights and told I was being held as a suspect for aggravated sexual assault. I was then taken to the local city jail and put in a holding cell.

Four hours later I was taken to the detectives office, read my rights again and signed a paper saying I was making a statement and had been told my rights. I told the detective the entire story from beginning to end. He then told me I was being charged and that "its a dangerous game you play". I was taken to the county jail facility booked for the following charges: Rape, Lewd and Lascivious acts, Insertion of a foreign object and Terrorism.

They left me in the cell for 2 days and as you might imagine I knew life as I knew it was over. The bruises on her vagina was all the evidence they needed in my way of thinking to convict me of forcible rape. On Tuesday afternoon I was scheduled for my first court appearance. When the jailer arrived to take me he called my name, I jumped down off the steel bunk and he said," roll up your stuff, all charges have been dropped". This sadist started to cry.

I was released very quickly, had to pay over $250.00 to get my car back and left Yuba City. I have since lost my position at work and been demoted to a lower position, which shows some compassion on my boss's part since I was using the company computer to chat with this girl. Something everyone in the company had been told NOT to do. I am very very lucky that I am not headed for prison for many years and could well have been there for the rest of life.

This is just a warning to all the Doms/Dommes out there. be very sure of who you play with...they do have control if they want to use it. This could have happened to anyone, but I was just lucky that someone in the DA's office took the time to check it closely and could find no evidence of force, although I don't know how.

Perhaps her statement or the fact she was never restrained did it. The charge of abuse was never brought up and I would have thought it would have, considering how bruised she was, but they knew it was consensual play. As you might had gathered I am dropping out of the lifestyle for awhile but just wanted to tell the people I know why.

Pat

 

[brioche]

Teachers aren't the only ones with "morality clauses" in their employment contracts.

And involvement in BDSM may, by itself, be considered terms for terminating parental rights in a divorce case, or in an accusation of child neglect or abuse.

Employers in many places can terminante an employee "at will" so if they are socially or morally conservative and don't like your sexual or lifestyle choices you may find yourself without a job.

Many areas have laws that specifically criminalize SM conduct. In England, the Spanner case specifically legallized the concept that someone could not give consent for another to beat them. The case was the result of an arrest made when officers observed an SM scene. The defense had been that there was never an assault and battery because it was consentual behavior. The state argued and won on the basis that consent could not be given for such conduct.... That arguement has been applied to cases in the US as well and won. Though Lawrence v. Texas seems to be a reversal in that trend....

Families can turn their backs on and shun other family members whose sexuality deviates dramatically from the family's norms. Gay? Bi? Poly? "OMG YOU'RE KINKY? You sick twisted, perveted bastard! Get away from us and never come back! " It's happened.

Many people have well founded fears about being outted. Being outted can have familial, financial, social, and criminal consequences. That's why I am a member of the National Coalition for Sexual Freedom, that's why I pushed my BDSM group into becoming Coalition Partners of the NCSF, it's why I am personally out and active in the BDSM community. It's my way of being a candle and pushing back the night of ignorance, prejudice, and fear.

Post my face and declare me a pervert! I'm cool with that. But I don't have minor children. My parents and grandparents are dead. My sister already knows, the rest of my blood family doesn't give a rat's ass about me, and I can always get another job. Other are not in that position and may have a LOT to lose.

Protecting the privacy of our fellow kinksters is not something we should consider a burden or problem. It should be a duty, a requirement, an obligation, a responsibility. And one we should consider a priviledge. Because if someone trusts you/me/us enough to share their face/name with us, they are trusting us, literally, with their lifestyle, their jobs, their families.

That's not to be taken lightly, or glibly. It's a sacred trust.

Thanks, Geoff.

 

[brioche]

Room for Thought by Pat (reposted with permission)

Since many of you know me personally I felt this was the best place to tell the community about an experience I just went through. I met a sub online who lives locally, Yuba City, and after many conversations in various chat mediums and daily phone calls we met to play at her home.

She was well aware of how hard I am and wanted that kind of use. Last Saturday night I went to see her and we did play very hard as the bruises on her body would attest. She could take a lot and can without a doubt be called a painslut. Before any play started she asked for me not to do a couple of things, one of which was not to restrain her. I honored her requests for the entire night.

During the course of the evening we had sex, oral and vaginal. Part of the play was vaginal slapping, light caning and paddling. At the end of the evening she even paid me for coming up (part of the humiliation aspect agreed on in advance) and set up an additional meeting for the next day since she had to go to work that night.

As I was leaving she asked for a few more swats from the paddle on the back of her thighs, which I gave her. We then hugged and kissed and I left. I left my toy bag there since I was coming right back. AT one point this girl was with one of the local Modesto members, which to me gave her credibility in my eyes although I never talked to them about her.

I returned the next day, Sunday at noon, and no one was at home. I called her cell phone and some other woman answered. When I questioned her about the girl she said their phones had been switched but she would get hold of her and let her know I was there. I stood by my car and then a cop car pulled up. I was told to stand away from my car, asked if I had any weapons, told to turn around and was cuffed with no explanation. Very shortly 2 more police cars arrived, I was read my rights and told I was being held as a suspect for aggravated sexual assault. I was then taken to the local city jail and put in a holding cell.

Four hours later I was taken to the detectives office, read my rights again and signed a paper saying I was making a statement and had been told my rights. I told the detective the entire story from beginning to end. He then told me I was being charged and that "its a dangerous game you play". I was taken to the county jail facility booked for the following charges: Rape, Lewd and Lascivious acts, Insertion of a foreign object and Terrorism.

They left me in the cell for 2 days and as you might imagine I knew life as I knew it was over. The bruises on her vagina was all the evidence they needed in my way of thinking to convict me of forcible rape. On Tuesday afternoon I was scheduled for my first court appearance. When the jailer arrived to take me he called my name, I jumped down off the steel bunk and he said," roll up your stuff, all charges have been dropped". This sadist started to cry.

I was released very quickly, had to pay over $250.00 to get my car back and left Yuba City. I have since lost my position at work and been demoted to a lower position, which shows some compassion on my boss's part since I was using the company computer to chat with this girl. Something everyone in the company had been told NOT to do. I am very very lucky that I am not headed for prison for many years and could well have been there for the rest of life.

This is just a warning to all the Doms/Dommes out there. be very sure of who you play with...they do have control if they want to use it. This could have happened to anyone, but I was just lucky that someone in the DA's office took the time to check it closely and could find no evidence of force, although I don't know how.

Perhaps her statement or the fact she was never restrained did it. The charge of abuse was never brought up and I would have thought it would have, considering how bruised she was, but they knew it was consensual play. As you might had gathered I am dropping out of the lifestyle for awhile but just wanted to tell the people I know why.

Pat

Ye gods, that's horrible!

 

[catalina_francisco]

Room for Thought by Pat (reposted with permission)
position, which shows some compassion on my boss's part since I was using the company computer to chat with this girl. Something everyone in the company had been told NOT to do.

This is a nightmare story, one of the many we have heard on this board. This is one of the risks you take as a Dominant or submissive if you play with people you hardly know. There has been a lot said about safety online and a couple of very good articles written about it.

I am not going to repeat them here but I will advise anyone to read a very good article on CUFFS

I have often mentioned it on LIT, but I will mention it again, I am an IT security consultant, I have often been hired to put detection measures in place to monitor when people use the internet connection at work to go to porn sites, professionally it is called to detect breaches of the acceptable use policy of the corporate resources.

THE BEST THING YOU CAN DO IS NEVER, EVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES USE YOUR WORK INTERNET CONNECTION TO GO ON LIT OR ANY OTHER BDSM BOARD, DO NOT EVEN USE IT FOR CHATTING.

If you have not been caught yet, you will!!! And then you will lose your job.

Fortunately I live in a country which has rules much like Denmark, I am not afraid of having to go to jail for being into BDSM since BDSM is considered to be a legal sexual activity in the Netherlands, as long as it is consensual. Andante and I are lucky we live in a country which allows us to be true to our own nature. However would I be caught using corporate resources to go to a BDSM board, I would lose my job.

Francisco.

 

[Miss Diva]

This is a nightmare story, one of the many we have heard on this board. This is one of the risks you take as a Dominant or submissive if you play with people you hardly know. There has been a lot said about safety online and a couple of very good articles written about it.

I am not going to repeat them here but I will advise anyone to read a very good article on CUFFS

I have often mentioned it on LIT, but I will mention it again, I am an IT security consultant, I have often been hired to put detection measures in place to monitor when people use the internet connection at work to go to porn sites, professionally it is called to detect breaches of the acceptable use policy of the corporate resources.

THE BEST THING YOU CAN DO IS NEVER, EVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES USE YOUR WORK INTERNET CONNECTION TO GO ON LIT OR ANY OTHER BDSM BOARD, DO NOT EVEN USE IT FOR CHATTING.

If you have not been caught yet, you will!!! And then you will lose your job.

Fortunately I live in a country which has rules much like Denmark, I am not afraid of having to go to jail for being into BDSM since BDSM is considered to be a legal sexual activity in the Netherlands, as long as it is consensual. Andante and I are lucky we live in a country which allows us to be true to our own nature. However would I be caught using corporate resources to go to a BDSM board, I would lose my job.

Francisco.

Good post Francisco and great reminder. I live in Canada and work for an American company, where political correctedness is a PITA. I mean when my American counterpart swear they say "Pardon my french", to which I usually reply "I am fully bilingual in french and english and that is not francais and don't insult the french language". PC has gone so ridiculous we do not get "vacation days" we get "personal time off" . I am still trying to figure out what is so polically incorrect with "vacation days" "sick days" or "unpaid absence" ?

I have gone to Lit during work hours and I also use MSN and even go looking for jobs during work hours. Why? I do not like my job ( I was hired to do Marketing and am doing accounting). Everyone knows I am looking for job. Even the VP in the states.

The HR department has also stated they monitor our Internet connections to "offensive" sites. HOWEVER AND A BIG HOWEVER, our IT department can barely get our mission-critical applications working, I keep wondering how they have time to monitor our connections. It is a running joke at work. If I am ever asked why I go to these sites, I will say that I do not find the site offensive, I find the educational and informative. And ask for a definition of offensive.

The one thing I have never done at work is send jokes. For some reason I find that irritating.

However thank you for the reminder and I will try to be good at work.

thanks once again.

M

 

[DVS]

Good post Francisco and great reminder. I live in Canada and work for an American company, where political correctedness is a PITA. I mean when my American counterpart swear they say "Pardon my french", to which I usually reply "I am fully bilingual in french and english and that is not francais and don't insult the french language". PC has gone so ridiculous we do not get "vacation days" we get "personal time off" . I am still trying to figure out what is so polically incorrect with "vacation days" "sick days" or "unpaid absence" ?

I have gone to Lit during work hours and I also use MSN and even go looking for jobs during work hours. Why? I do not like my job ( I was hired to do Marketing and am doing accounting). Everyone knows I am looking for job. Even the VP in the states.

The HR department has also stated they monitor our Internet connections to "offensive" sites. HOWEVER AND A BIG HOWEVER, our IT department can barely get our mission-critical applications working, I keep wondering how they have time to monitor our connections. It is a running joke at work. If I am ever asked why I go to these sites, I will say that I do not find the site offensive, I find the educational and informative. And ask for a definition of offensive.

The one thing I have never done at work is send jokes. For some reason I find that irritating.

However thank you for the reminder and I will try to be good at work.

thanks once again.

M

If you're connected to the states on a LAN or WAN, their IT guys can catch you. And, I don't know, but i'd give it a pretty good guess that if you go to some porn site at work, and they find you have, they won't have to show you any policy that considers that offensive.

It's pretty much across the board with corporate America that ANYTHING that shows something other than work related use can be considered off limits by your company. That's their computer and Internet connection you are usning, and they can dictate what you can and can't do on it. Even if you go to Yahoo and check your personal emails there...all prim and proper messages...that can be considered incorrect useage of your Internet privilages.

When I was in the computer line, we often made runs around the company to see what people had installed on their computers. We would often find Yahoo messenger, MSN messenger, and other chat programs. We even deleted the Weatherbug and things like that, because our policy was users couldn't install anything without permission...and we never gave permission to anyone.

And, as far as sending jokes, if you send one that someone considers offensive, you can be repremanded or even fired for that. Political correctness hell has taken over.

 

[Miss Diva]

If you're connected to the states on a LAN or WAN, their IT guys can catch you. And, I don't know, but i'd give it a pretty good guess that if you go to some porn site at work, and they find you have, they won't have to show you any policy that considers that offensive.

It's pretty much across the board with corporate America that ANYTHING that shows something other than work related use can be considered off limits by your company. That's their computer and Internet connection you are usning, and they can dictate what you can and can't do on it. Even if you go to Yahoo and check your personal emails there...all prim and proper messages...that can be considered incorrect useage of your Internet privilages.

When I was in the computer line, we often made runs around the company to see what people had installed on their computers. We would often find Yahoo messenger, MSN messenger, and other chat programs. We even deleted the Weatherbug and things like that, because our policy was users couldn't install anything without permission...and we never gave permission to anyone.

And, as far as sending jokes, if you send one that someone considers offensive, you can be repremanded or even fired for that. Political correctness hell has taken over.

HI DVS:

We have our own LAN WAN connection here. It goes down periodically. Also I cannot instaill anything at all. The IT guy has to install it all. He installed the messenger for all us. and my IPOd software.

I know all the email rules and regulations. I guess it is becuase i feel so unmotivated and so insulted at what I am doing that I really do not care. I will be more careful. I will limit my visits to job sites. But then they know I am looking for a job.

As for political correctness, gosh i hate, I would love to tell some people they are a-holes. Apparently one guy told a girl "You can kiss by black hairy ass" They were sleeping together and he was a subordinate. She complained about this comment. If I had been him I would have complained of sexual harrassment.

I miss working for an international company. At least when the sales guys came in and they thought you looked great they would let you know. And we get to kiss on the cheeks.

Sigh...thanks i will be more careful../.

 

[LadyAria]

Teachers aren't the only ones with "morality clauses" in their employment contracts.

That's not to be taken lightly, or glibly. It's a sacred trust.

Thank you for this. You make some very valid points. I love this thread.

 

[LadyAria]

LOL Thanks. My mom made those costumes for us.

That's really nice. People don't do that enough anymore. I haven't made any clothes for anyone in two years. Make it extra special...okay...I'm just being cheesey now.

 

[ThorkelGriersen]

Consential??

Re: Story by Pat

I saw a story on local TV about sports agents who are drawing up contracts for NFL, NBA, etc sports people to get signed before they engage in any sexual activity. Groupies "come on" to VIPs and then figure that they can make a buck by claiming rape. etc.

Maybe a written contract is a good idea. It always amazes me that people have two personalities. One before; another after. I have gone through this so many times that I almost don't trust anyone.

A quote I use elsewhere from the Irish novelist Joyce Cary: "Dangerous thing to tell people about yourself, they try to put you in a box."

LOL

 

[Evil_Geoff]

Thank you for this. You make some very valid points. I love this thread.

You are very welcome!

 

[Evil_Geoff]

... Maybe a written contract is a good idea....

Just keep in mind that while a "slave contract" is not, can not, be a legal, binding contract within the United States (or in most other countries as far as I know) since slavery is illegal, it can be used to show things like consent and intent.

A contract or negotiation form for a scene, on the other hand _might_ be construed as a legal and binding contract depending on a lot of factors. At worst, it could be used to show consent on the part of all parties and the intent of the parties. It may mitigate accusations of malicious motives or use of, or threat of, force.

Since I am not an attorney, nor do I play one on TV, my thoughts are strictly opinions, not declarations of fact or law.

 

[ThorkelGriersen]

Contracts

A contract or negotiation form for a scene, on the other hand _might_ be construed as a legal and binding contract depending on a lot of factors. At worst, it could be used to show consent on the part of all parties and the intent of the parties. It may mitigate accusations of malicious motives or use of, or threat of, force.

Since I am not an attorney, nor do I play one on TV, my thoughts are strictly opinions, not declarations of fact or law.

If it showed intent that could be MOST useful. I don't think any slave contract would ever entend beyond the two parties. I once signed one. I took it a lot more seriously than SHE did.

By the way , I read all of your posts that I find. You are incedibley knowledgeable.
_________________________
Just another damn liberal in a Volvo.

 

[graceanne]

Small problem . . . when the pyl claims that you forced her to sign it. That you threatened her with (fill in the blanks) if she didn't sign it. Throw in some tears and your contract is null and void.

 

[catalina_francisco]

A contract or negotiation form for a scene, on the other hand _might_ be construed as a legal and binding contract depending on a lot of factors. At worst, it could be used to show consent on the part of all parties and the intent of the parties. It may mitigate accusations of malicious motives or use of, or threat of, force.

Since I am not an attorney, nor do I play one on TV, my thoughts are strictly opinions, not declarations of fact or law.

I imagine it would not be easily seen as a legally binding contract, especially if there were no witnesses, and it could not be proven the person signed while in their right mind or free of coercion or threat, especially in the US (and UK) where there is a rising move by the government to at the least, harrass and/or prosecute people engaging in consensual BDSM or the pursuit of. This article, BDSM D/s &The Law , touches on some of the legal considerations, many which are open to interpretation and moral values of those in power.

Catalina

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

I am not an attorney, nor do I play one on TV

Evil Geoff Sir ...........rests forehead laughing on desktop........ouch

 

[Guest]

Just keep in mind that while a "slave contract" is not, can not, be a legal, binding contract within the United States (or in most other countries as far as I know) since slavery is illegal, it can be used to show things like consent and intent.

A contract or negotiation form for a scene, on the other hand _might_ be construed as a legal and binding contract depending on a lot of factors. At worst, it could be used to show consent on the part of all parties and the intent of the parties. It may mitigate accusations of malicious motives or use of, or threat of, force.

Since I am not an attorney, nor do I play one on TV, my thoughts are strictly opinions, not declarations of fact or law.

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer either... Nor do I believe they should be allowed to run loose in public..

It has been my understanding... That you cannot make a contract on an illegal act..
BUT....
This is subject to government interpretation...I.E. paying income tax on illegal income...
Once upon a time we re-wrote a contract that is available online (at a very popular unnamed site).... First thing we did was replace the term "slave", which is patently illegal in the U.S.; with the term "concensual servitude"... Whats the difference???? Not a damn thing... But it sounds better should you ever need to use the document to CYA.
BUT... Should you have to ever use something like this remember... Without the signature of a witness it probably won't stand up... Someone who is willing to say, in court, that there was no duress involved... Otherwise a prosecutor is going to hang your ass out to dry..
I was given to understand (off the record) by someone who actually was a legal professional, that it hinged on the idea that you could not consent to having something illegal and harmful done to yourself....

 

[DVS]

Small problem . . . when the pyl claims that you forced her to sign it. That you threatened her with (fill in the blanks) if she didn't sign it. Throw in some tears and your contract is null and void.

Well, you just do it like John Robinson did letters to his victim's family.

He had the women sign the bottom of a blank piece of paper. He typed in the letter, after the fact...and sometimes after he had already killed the woman.

Contracts must be witnessed by a third party...i.e. a notory, or similar to be legal. And, like Evil_Geoff said, a slave contract isn't legal. But, you can be their employer and treat them as your property that way.

OK, only foolin'.

 

[Marquis]

Contracts must be witnessed by a third party...i.e. a notory, or similar to be legal.

Actually, any objective evidence of a mutual assent to be bound at the time of agreement can be a legal contract as long as it doesn't fall under the statute of frauds.

 

[chris9]

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer either... Nor do I believe they should be allowed to run loose in public..

So, when I'm done with my studies and exams and stuff, will you get here to catch me to not let me run loose in public? And does it involve any spankings for attempts to be one?

I was given to understand (off the record) by someone who actually was a legal professional, that it hinged on the idea that you could not consent to having something illegal and harmful done to yourself....

And that depends on the countrey you are living in... Here I'm happy to say it's possible to agree to be beaten up, so you can make a contract out of it.
Basically you can dispose of your own goods, e.g. you can throw away stuff, which would be theft/destruction if someone else did it without your consent. Same way with being injured (within certain limits-sexual activities used to be without those limits, but not anymore (kinky judge?)). You can't consent to being killed though.

 

[babiesmiles]

You could always join my " abused lawyers' shelter "