Chastity, forced male chastity, and Eroticism.

[Norway_1705]

sexual and powerplay

Thank you! Certainly the Power Exchange is important.
Yet ... I have a hard time imagining the scene, put in the mouth of a playboy who is successful, rich and handsome, a billionaire, and who has two secretaries as lovers in the office, yet gets his wife to submit him at home.
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The husband ceding the Scepter of Decisions to his wife... as if my father, my grandfather and his grandfather ever ruled in the house. But maybe it is my family that is the exception: maybe in Western families the husband is in charge and the wife spreads her thighs.
Forgive me, AwkwardlySet: I am just jokingly trying to provoke your reflection with more details.
Do we have in the site some examples of stories that have as "submissive husband" a Hero, an acclaimed Football champion, a billionaire? One who has three lovers in the office, but when he comes home he begs the chubby little wifey to submit him, lock his penis, and facesitting?
If you provide me with a list I will read them all!

 

[Norway_1705]

pegging

pegging is an unsolved mystery to me.
I understand what two lesbians find in it.
But what does a wife feel?
I'm well aware that "there are no women on the Internet" and that all female screen names hide male writers, but doesn't anyone know a wife to interview? For the sake of Literature as Art Imitating Life, it is clear....

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Do we have in the site some examples of stories that have as "submissive husband" a Hero, an acclaimed Football champion, a billionaire? One who has three lovers in the office, but when he comes home he begs the chubby little wifey to submit him, lock his penis, and facesitting?
If you provide me with a list I will read them all!

Actually, I'd say that there are plenty of erotic stories, even mainstream shows and movies with some rich, high-powered characters who are a dominating presence at work, yet who get off on giving control to a dominatrix or something like that. I can't say that I can come up with any title off the top of my head, but I would say that the motif is quite common even, so I'm not sure why it surprises you.

 

[John_Vandermeer]

Actually, I'd say that there are plenty of erotic stories, even mainstream shows and movies with some rich, high-powered characters who are a dominating presence at work, yet who get off on giving control to a dominatrix or something like that. I can't say that I can come up with any title off the top of my head, but I would say that the motif is quite common even, so I'm not sure why it surprises you.

Chuck Rhoades from Billions (TV show) is a great example of alpha prosecutor st work, thoroughly subhub at home.

 

[Norway_1705]

Chuck Rhoades from Billions

I have never seen the series, but for the sake of completeness now I will try to see
From what I gather from the internet, the wife Wendy who dominates her husband is a Psychologist: this is also a fairly frequent cliché at least in the stories I have read here.

To defend my point (just kidding!) I would point out that Lois Griffin, heiress, often (wearing a dominatrix uniform) whips or pegs her husband Peter, a total loser in every aspect of life, often jobless ("Family Guy"). Coincidence? I don't think so.

(Just kidding!) But another recurring element, is that the "dominant" wife is often taller than her "submitted" husband. As well as earning more and being the main breadwinner of the family.

 

[Norway_1705]

even mainstream shows and movies with some rich, high-powered

Oh! Your words reminded me of some women's novels that my wife reads.
Oh, sure, Mr. Grey, rich, noble, and still a bachelor (!) : just waiting for an ugly unexpert recent graduate to appear and magically submit to her whims. Oh, sure, at first he pretends to be tough and domineering, but a few hours into the movies, he begs her to marry him and rule him forever....
I don't know. Mainstream stuff always seems unconvincing to me. Those movies are not for you and me, they are for desperate housewives who then masturbate thinking about "After" or "Aquaman" or "Beautiful Disaster". It's OK, I'm not judging, just saying it's not my cup of tea.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Oh! Your words reminded me of some women's novels that my wife reads.
Oh, sure, Mr. Grey, rich, noble, and still a bachelor (!) : just waiting for an ugly unexpert recent graduate to appear and magically submit to her whims. Oh, sure, at first he pretends to be tough and domineering, but a few hours into the movies, he begs her to marry him and rule him forever....
I don't know. Mainstream stuff always seems unconvincing to me. Those movies are not for you and me, they are for desperate housewives who then masturbate thinking about "After" or "Aquaman" or "Beautiful Disaster". It's OK, I'm not judging, just saying it's not my cup of tea.

They aren't exactly my cup of tea either, but that's not the point. I was just saying that the motif is almost common. If I learned anything here on Lit, it's that there are so many different variants for every kink and that most readers like only certain variants of any particular kink while usually disliking others. Sometimes they even claim that those other variants of the kink are blasphemy. Well, to be fair, the reactions are usually mild but in some cases they go to the extreme. I mean, just look at Loving Wives

 

[Norway_1705]

If I learned anything here on Lit,.... that those other variants of the kink are blasphemy. Well, to be fair, the reactions are usually mild but in some cases they go to the extreme. I mean, just look at Loving Wives

I try to avoid any gatekeeping.
But also I try to avoid any too easy association.
I read "chores means you are loser" and "sissification always means cuckolding", and I need to tell a tale against those statements.
Maybe I write too bad, too boring, but it's my point of view.
Maybe it may exists a woman who still love her husband even if he do the chores. Why not? And maybe she stay faithful even if he perform chores in front of Guest female friends of her, serving my cup of tea with curtsy and smile.
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Enough.
Loving wives is not a good place. Dozen of toxic gatekeepers armored with 1-bomb as a weapon. Never publish here, never look here, Simba, that is beyond our borders, you must never go there, Simba. :3

 

[Norway_1705]

About tall woman.
I often see variation of the meme with Waititi... The best is "me, after my 9-5 work, hearing him explain he named a Pokémon after me"
Know your meme,
Taika Waititi and Cate Blanchett is an exploitable object labeling image macro series derived from a behind the scenes photo during the making of Thor: Ragnarok. It is used to the show when a less powerful individual is trying to impress or convince a more powerful individual, usually a dominant female... or mother
As maybe I wrote before, maybe large part of this "FLR" trend means somehow to a maternal figure Idk...

 

[Norway_1705]

two of my stories about forced male chastity appeared on May 25, probably boring and poorly written but published nonetheless. I am not asking for ratings or stars, but if anyone wants to make constructive comments, they are welcome (not on grammar, which I can't improve anyway).
https://www.literotica.com/s/the-delicious-dungeon-of-mine (D&D) and
https://www.literotica.com/s/alice-on-chessboard-with-caged-boy (after Carroll of course).
Please be kind!

 

[Norway_1705]

A single line in a wonderful NoTalentHack story (wonderful as usual) triggered my little brain. https://www.literotica.com/s/the-end-of-our-world
A husband and wife couple announce to friends that they are Swingers.

>>> "So. Like, what are your rules? Do you just... do 'whoever, wherever whatever,' or do you swap, or...." asked my wife.
>>>"Is she cucking you? You got one of those cock cages on?" Tyler chortled (Tyler the ex-athlete, Tyler dull and unintelligent.
>>>Rolling her eyes, Heather said, "No, I am not 'cucking' my husband, you oaf. We swap."
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Yet, there is so much of this trope in pornography that combines caged husband, hotwife, and bull.... it is exhausting.
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Speaking in terms of "morality" (strange, on an erotica page, but true, at least given the success of NTH). The husband who does not cheat on his wife is "chaste." Because chastity does not mean "complete abstention from sexual activity" but "intense sexual activity with his wife within the framework of a legitimate marriage."
In this sense, the "forced male chastity lifestyle" is not necessarily subordinate neither to a supposed "Gynarchy" (cute to draw, but very unrealistic in real life) nor to feminist bullying, nor to hypothetical Sci-Fi "gender role swaps" beyond things our grandparents already did, such as cooking or washing (although the current Wage Gap with the wife earning more than her husband introduces new elements).
What do you think?

 

[BiGuy999]

pegging is an unsolved mystery to me.
I understand what two lesbians find in it.
But what does a wife feel?
I'm well aware that "there are no women on the Internet" and that all female screen names hide male writers, but doesn't anyone know a wife to interview? For the sake of Literature as Art Imitating Life, it is clear....

My wife says she gets pleasure from seeing me brought to a state where I'm so turned on I can barely speak and seeing my earth shattering orgasm and the afterglow and knowing she gave me all that pleasure. She also gets pleasure from the deep intimacy of seeing me at my most vulnerable, seeing something nobody else has ever seen of sharing something between us that belongs to us alone.

Oh and if she wears her butterfly vibrator she gets to combine all of the above with a great orgasm.

 

[Norway_1705]

she gets pleasure from seeing me brought to a state.... and the afterglow and knowing she gave me all that pleasure. She also gets pleasure from the deep intimacy of seeing me at my most vulnerable, seeing something nobody else has ever seen

Yes. Great. You're a lucky guy.
Your words make me envying.
My wife is not from the same heavenly kind of wonderful wives, I guess.

 

[Norway_1705]

I'm still thinking about the potential connections, between "husband earning less than his wife" and "husband entrusting the key to his castity cage to Keyholder for a (possibly Gentle) Femdom."
Wage Gap. Maybe I should open another FORUM about "male Wage Gap."

 

[Yarglenurp]

The male-making-less wage gap IRL is pretty bad though… a lot of women, even the modern high-achiever ones, seem like they won’t “settle” for someone who makes less than them. Men, on the other hand, seem like they don’t have any issue with the woman making less. This ends up being a huge problem in a lot of different societies.

I'm still thinking about the potential connections, between "husband earning less than his wife" and "husband entrusting the key to his castity cage to Keyholder for a (possibly Gentle) Femdom."
Wage Gap. Maybe I should open another FORUM about "male Wage Gap."

 

[Norway_1705]

even the modern high-achiever ones

Exactly. There is a new generation of thousands of "modern high-achiever ones" who are not the (rare and scarce) young Duchesses and Heiresses educated by their grandparents and uncles to gently get in touch with men who earn less.
My question is precisely: is it possible that the new trend of enforced male chastity (with tens of thousands of devices sold each year, and it is not possible that they are all purchased by gays) ..... this new trend, could be motivated "also" by the wage gap within the couple?
Or, on a more "literary" level: we can imagine a story, in which an average and healthy husband chooses to be a submissive housekeeper not only because it sexually arouses him (and her), but also because she earns more (much more, triple, quadruple!) as a first breadwinner still in love with him?
Cooking, cleaning, grocery, helping the childern... he cultivates HEALTH while she cultivates WEALTH, for both of them. A win-win.
May we? Without the husband necessarily having to metamorphose into a sissy cocksucker, and without the wife necessarily having to become a hotwife always chasing huge cocks?

 

[Yarglenurp]

Exactly. There is a new generation of thousands of "modern high-achiever ones" who are not the (rare and scarce) young Duchesses and Heiresses educated by their grandparents and uncles to gently get in touch with men who earn less.
My question is precisely: is it possible that the new trend of enforced male chastity (with tens of thousands of devices sold each year, and it is not possible that they are all purchased by gays) ..... this new trend, could be motivated "also" by the wage gap within the couple?
Or, on a more "literary" level: we can imagine a story, in which an average and healthy husband chooses to be a submissive housekeeper not only because it sexually arouses him (and her), but also because she earns more (much more, triple, quadruple!) as a first breadwinner still in love with him?
Cooking, cleaning, grocery, helping the childern... he cultivates HEALTH while she cultivates WEALTH, for both of them. A win-win.
May we? Without the husband necessarily having to metamorphose into a sissy cocksucker, and without the wife necessarily having to become a hotwife always chasing huge cocks?

IRL? No. Speaking as someone who firmly believes in the superiority of a female-led society, a cock-cage-mandatory world is definitely not going to happen, no matter how awesome that would be. I’m willing to bet that it’s just a fun game more most couples. I’m sure you’ve tried these devices… unless you do a custom fit, they’re going to unsuitable for long-term wear.

But as for the rest… yah, of course. I’m fairly certain that a lot of men would love to just be a domestic househusband, if society would let them. The hard part is finding a women who would be interested in that scenario. There’s plenty of guys who do that, it just doesn’t seem weird because you know the context. For example, it’s very common for a situation where, in a farming couple, the woman makes way more than the man because the woman actually has a job, and the man is basically just doing farm stuff. Farm stuff is hard, vigorous work, but it’s not exactly like you can directly trade three bushels of wheat for a Netflix subscription.

 

[Astrotrain]

Speaking as someone who firmly believes in the superiority of a female-led society, a cock-cage-mandatory world is definitely not going to happen, no matter how awesome that would be.

Are you serious? I enjoy reading stories like that too, but let's not go nuts. There's a difference between fantasy and reality, in the real world consent is very important.

 

[Yarglenurp]

Are you serious? I enjoy reading stories like that too, but let's not go nuts. There's a difference between fantasy and reality, in the real world consent is very important.

Lol, bad punctuation.

I meant that I think a world that actually swapped out its male leaders and support staff for proportional representation in female leaders and support staff would be fundamentally better. So like how right now we have majority men in leadership and minority women, i think it’d better the other way around.

I don’t mean to say that a world that locked up cocks would be better. Obviously, that’s just fetish fuel.

 

[TheRedChamber]

I meant that I think a world that actually swapped out its male leaders and support staff for proportional representation in female leaders and support staff would be fundamentally better.

Honestly, at this point, I think a world that swapped out its male leaders for a bunch of monkeys bashing out policy on a million typewriters would be fundamentally better.

That said as a Brit we've had three female Prime Ministers - Thatcher, May and Truss and they don't register as hugely better than their male equivalents (EDIT: or in Truss' case, better than a cabbage). Maybe if we could get one who wasn't a Tory.

"If women ruled the world there would never be another world war. I believe that. There would be a lot of very tense negotiation once a month, but there'd never actually be a war" - Victoria Wood

 

[Yarglenurp]

Honestly, at this point, I think a world that swapped out its male leaders for a bunch of monkeys bashing out policy on a million typewriters would be fundamentally better.

That said as a Brit we've had three female Prime Ministers - Thatcher, May and Truss and they don't register as hugely better than their male equivalents (EDIT: or in Truss' case, better than a cabbage). Maybe if we could get one who wasn't a Tory.

"If women ruled the world there would never be another world war. I believe that. There would be a lot of very tense negotiation once a month, but there'd never actually be a war" - Victoria Wood

I have a whole thing about all that, but then it’ll get too political. Overall, I’d agree with that sentiment. It’s ultimately not about what’s between the legs, but what type of person a system allows to prosper.

 

[Norway_1705]

a farming couple

I read a book about that. In Victorian England,
many men worked in the fields, but only women "earned money" by weaving textiles at home for resale (as employees of greedy colonialists who stole cotton in India), before factories and large manufactories were organized.
But from what it sounded like from the book, the few pennies earned by selling cloth were little more than a tip, while the real work was "seemed" to be that of lumberjack, mower, or shepherd.
Now, however, these new "deeply educated women with prestigious careers" appear to be something entirely new, and if I may venture, unheard of in centuries.
Does anyone remember a time when so many women graduated from college? In ancient Greece, in Rome, in the Middle Ages?
And if it is a completely new and unprecedented situation, how does it impact against traditional gestures such as "putting penis A in slot B"?

 

[Norway_1705]

they don't register as hugely better than their male equivalents

Yes, of course.
for centuries we've been telling ourselves that men, women, and every gender, we're all the same, and then we're supposed to believe the fairytale that if a woman ruled there would be peace and prosperity?
Except that each of these so-called political "Leaders" is actually the puppet of some lobby... and even if you elect a woman, or a man, or whatever, a puppet is still a puppet led by the puppetters. Without naming real people, but there is a Broadway Musical: "Evita," with Madonna and Banderas, which illuminates many aspects (all fairy tale, but the songs are cute)
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But I was limiting myself to the fallout in pornography and erotic literature.
It would be nice to read the story of a Queen, a Kanzellrin (ja), an Empress, who, after ruling a peaceful kingdom with her velvet fist, gets into her husband's bed and then-and then what? Does she rule in bed too, or does she submit? How does the Empress' husband dominate her in bed? How is it even possible to think that? All the lucubrations about a piercing named "Prince Albert" were not born just by coincidence....

 

[Yarglenurp]

Yes, of course.
for centuries we've been telling ourselves that men, women, and every gender, we're all the same, and then we're supposed to believe the fairytale that if a woman ruled there would be peace and prosperity?
Except that each of these so-called political "Leaders" is actually the puppet of some lobby... and even if you elect a woman, or a man, or whatever, a puppet is still a puppet led by the puppetters. Without naming real people, but there is a Broadway Musical: "Evita," with Madonna and Banderas, which illuminates many aspects (all fairy tale, but the songs are cute)
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But I was limiting myself to the fallout in pornography and erotic literature.
It would be nice to read the story of a Queen, a Kanzellrin (ja), an Empress, who, after ruling a peaceful kingdom with her velvet fist, gets into her husband's bed and then-and then what? Does she rule in bed too, or does she submit? How does the Empress' husband dominate her in bed? How is it even possible to think that? All the lucubrations about a piercing named "Prince Albert" were not born just by coincidence....

Honestly, she’d probably be submissive, right? A benevolent queen would have a ton of responsibility and would probably just want to go home and get fucked silly without having to think about it. It would be kind of like the stereotype of how CEOs visit dominatrixes to relax.

If there was a true matriarchical society in modern times, I think you’d have question why and how such a society came to exist before delving into the changes in the bedroom. On the lower end of the spectrum, you’d need a mechanism to ensure that a violent man, who is physically much stronger, would not be able to overpower women if he so wished for it. On the higher end of the spectrum, you’d need another mechanism to ensure that sociopathic people willing to do anything for money and power would not be the ones to succeed in the realms of politics or business. And you’d need to address both ends before you got to a benevolent matriarchal society.

 

[Norway_1705]

A joke found in a 1966 newspaper: over fifty years ago.
An elderly couple goes to the doctor. The doctor visits separately, first the husband:
“You seem to be healthy. Do you have any problems you want to describe to me?”
That husband confides to the doctor, “Nothing special, but when I make love to my wife, the first time everything is normal. But the second time, my body sweats a lot and that gives me some discomfort.”
After also examining his wife, the doctor asks her the question, “You are also healthy, but your husband says that when you make love, the first time everything goes smoothly while the second time he sweats a lot. Do you happen to know the reason?”
The wife laughs, “Ha, ha! Of course I do! The first time is in January and the second time is in August!”

Comment. We talk so much about forced male chastity caused by a physical lock, but perhaps thousands of marriages are Dead Bedroom because of male chastity decided by a wife on a psychological level.
They say that decades ago, the man procured the food and the woman procured the sex. A barter that some feminists would compare to legal prostitution (so many decades ago). Now instead? Now perhaps a wife exhibits dissatisfaction with her husband's behavior, and he submits even more, but she exhibits even more dissatisfaction, in a spiral that then eventually the two no longer make love?