Choking Game-- Teens

[Pure]

note to ogg,

Autoeroticism, even taking the highest possible guesstimate, kills fewer people in the UK in a year than die on our roads in a month - and our roads are very safe by European standards.

if you have no interest in the topic, don't bother yourself.

BUT, using traffic deaths to measure the importance of a danger obviously sets the bar extremely high. War, terrorism, and HIV/AIDS pale by comparison, at present, in the developed countries.

For the US, traffic deaths are about 40,000/year, whereas in 2001, a bad year for terrorism, 9-11 only produced about 3500 deaths. HIV kills maybe 18,000/year. Smoking is said to be a cause of 400,000 deaths in a year. (The US has not yet lost 4,000 in Iraq, IN TOTAL, so we might use 1000/year as a very rough [high] figure.)

For Israel, a country that knows terrorism continually, traffic deaths are maybe 400/year whereas terrorist-related deaths are "only" about 40.

For Great Britain, traffic deaths are maybe 3500 per year. HIV deaths about 180. Smoking kills about 120,000.

Clearly the first priority might be to teach teens not to smoke, and to drive safely! The massive INattention to traffic deaths is truly astounding. Government and industry have convinced everyone that that it's the drivers' fault (which in a sense is true).

That said, if several dozen--or even a few hundred-- kids and teens per year in the US or UK killed themselves with 'choking games,' perhaps it's worth a mention?

 

[Stella_Omega]

Just a guess, but wouldn't it be both because boys masturbate more and because they take more risks (at least they used to...the world is definitely changing)? Most of us are completely ruled by our sex drive, especially as teens. Although some women are too, it's almost universal in boys.

Well, boys do most every dangerous thing more than girls- out of my crowd, there were two girls that tried it, and maybe six boys...
I was interested in for the sexual aspect, my primary driving force.
Among the other stupid life-threatening things that my boy friends did that I did not take part in;
Riding motorcycles too fast, drag racing on the street, skateboarding down steep hills, walking off into the woods in the middle of a moonless night, playing, for crissakes, with guns, swimming in undertows, chugging Everclear, smoking pot on the roof of the police station...

 

[Pure]

it's nature's way, stella. one wants the males to be bold, and take certain chances; up to a point; so these 'games' like choking, "chicken", and russian roulette ensure that the bold ones who are REALLY foolish, don't live to reproduce.

 

[Serenn]

That happened a lot in grade eight and 9, it's rpetty scary to see someone do it, but right after they usually say 'do it again.'

 

[Misty_Morning]

We used to play the soft version of this. You bend over and hyperventilate, then suddenly stand and take a deep breath. Your partner grabs you in a bear hug from behind and picks you off the floor. It causes you to pass out for 5-10 seconds, often doing really strange things while out of it, so it was entertaining for everyone. The person doing it felt out of it and silly, but quickly recovered. I'm glad we never took it further than that.

We used to do a variation on this when I was around 14. It was called a rising shotgun. It took 3 people. All three would sqaut down. The person recieving the shotgun would take 10 deep breathes and on the 10th expell as much air from the lungs as he/she could. Then he/she would start taking a shotgun from the second person while slowly standing up. Once standing he/she would take as much of the shotgun as possible and hold their breathe while the third person would bear hug from behind lifting the taker off the ground. The person taking the shotgun always had his/her hands and arms free to signal to the third person to stop where upon the third person would carefully lower the person taking the shotgun to the ground.


I did this off and on for a couple of months and then wised up before all my brain cells were dead. And me too.

 

[Pure]

what is 'taking a shotgun'--getting air blown into the mouth? (as in rescuscitation).

 

[Misty_Morning]

what is 'taking a shotgun'--getting air blown into the mouth? (as in rescuscitation).

A shotgun is a technigue used when smoking a joint (ya know...pot). One person places the lit end in their mouth and closes their lips around the joint and blows a stream of smoke out the other end into the mouth of another person.

 

[oggbashan]

if you have no interest in the topic, don't bother yourself...

That said, if several dozen--or even a few hundred-- kids and teens per year in the US or UK killed themselves with 'choking games,' perhaps it's worth a mention?

Kids will take risks and the current trend in society is to deny them the facility to take managed risks in a controlled environment.

When I was young, the Boy Scouts were a source of managed risk. I lit fires, felled trees, went pot-holing, mountaineering, rock-climbing, constructed bridges across a fast running river, built rafts (and sank!), tried scuba diving etc. Those activities are now rare in the Scout movement and those activities that are permitted are so controlled by regulation and safety devices that a Scout could do absolutely stupid things without getting hurt.

If I rappelled down a cliff as a Scout I knew that if I got it wrong - I was dead or at least severely injured. My first attempts were from a height of about 20 feet. Mistakes hurt but so what? I learned fast. Now? They have safety harnesses so that if they make a mistake they know they are not in danger.

Why the change? That's another longer discussion but I can understand why kids want to take risks and stupid risks. I was taught the difference between was a reasonable risk and what was foolhardy. Today's kids are too restrained by safety and their reaction against it can be extreme.

As for choking? Erotic breathplay is a whole subset of fetishes including HOM (Hand on Mouth), drowning, bagging, casketing, mummification, saran wrapping, taping, and straightforward smothering. Accidents occur even between consenting adults who know the parameters. Kids think they are immortal and don't know how easy it is to die. The first experiment may be their last.

How can you stop the deaths? I don't know except perhaps by bringing back managed risk and accepting that risk can mean injury and occasional death. When I was young, if a Scout died as a Scout, doing Scouting activity there would be an investigation but the usual conclusion was "Death by misadventure" i.e. Bad Luck. No one was sued. Parents and the community accepted that kids got killed sometimes. The Scout movement started because Baden-Powell used boys as messengers in a town under artillery attack. In World War II Boy Scouts in England were used as messengers between Air Raid Posts during the bombing of the Blitz.

Now if a Scout is killed it is a "National Disaster" and "Heads Must Roll!". The result is that Scouts take fewer risks every year.

Playing with choking is dangerous, can be fatal. So can other things teenage boys do just because they are teenage boys and they want to explore the limits of their world. If not playing with choking, they might be doing something equally risky. Kids, usually boys, will still die because kids do what kids do - try danger for themselves.

Og

 

[3113]

Riding motorcycles too fast, drag racing on the street, skateboarding down steep hills, walking off into the woods in the middle of a moonless night, playing, for crissakes, with guns, swimming in undertows, chugging Everclear, smoking pot on the roof of the police station...

heh-heh-heh. Stella had a *cool* boyfriend

 

[S-Des]

How can you stop the deaths? I don't know except perhaps by bringing back managed risk and accepting that risk can mean injury and occasional death. When I was young, if a Scout died as a Scout, doing Scouting activity there would be an investigation but the usual conclusion was "Death by misadventure" i.e. Bad Luck. No one was sued. Parents and the community accepted that kids got killed sometimes. The Scout movement started because Baden-Powell used boys as messengers in a town under artillery attack. In World War II Boy Scouts in England were used as messengers between Air Raid Posts during the bombing of the Blitz.

Now if a Scout is killed it is a "National Disaster" and "Heads Must Roll!". The result is that Scouts take fewer risks every year.

Playing with choking is dangerous, can be fatal. So can other things teenage boys do just because they are teenage boys and they want to explore the limits of their world. If not playing with choking, they might be doing something equally risky. Kids, usually boys, will still die because kids do what kids do - try danger for themselves.

Og

This is so true. Although there is a problem with that line of thinking. Girls used to be encouraged not to do anything dangerous, now they are allowed to and can be every bit as self-destructive and stupid as boys. Somehow we have to find a balance because it is just impossible for kids to continue to take more and more risks than before without terrible things happening.

 

[Pure]

Kids will take risks and the current trend in society is to deny them the facility to take managed risks in a controlled environment.

So the upshot is that kids who want risks are going to find them in the most unsafe ways, e.g. glue sniffing, hanging each other, anal sex, etc. For another outlet, some kids in our area go onto a bridge over a busy highway and drop a large rock through the windshield of a car below. It's very exciting and dramatic!

As for choking? Erotic breathplay is a whole subset of fetishes including HOM (Hand on Mouth), drowning, bagging, casketing, mummification, saran wrapping, taping, and straightforward smothering. Accidents occur even between consenting adults who know the parameters. Kids think they are immortal and don't know how easy it is to die. The first experiment may be their last.

you seem to know a lot about this group of fetishes.... care to share anything a little more personal??

PS. CSI did an episode on this, when the domme controlled the breath of a 'sub', which was only through a tube, which could be clamped (and the 'sub' was othewise helpless). sounds like a gas!
well, it did provide the foresic investigators a new stiff.