Climate continues to change.

[4est_4est_Gump]

Study: Conservatives can accept the reality of climate change if they know the science.

They are not the Fundamentalists!

That's the GWB crowd!



Democrats cannot know the Science; they're in lockstep with the Bible...

 

[phrodeau]

Here is the text of the UAH news release issued with respect to the July data.


Global climate trend since Nov. 16, 1978: +0.14 C per decade

July temperatures (preliminary)

Global composite temp.: +0.31 C (about 0.56 degrees Fahrenheit) above 30-year average for July.

Northern Hemisphere: +0.29 C (about 0.52 degrees Fahrenheit) above 30-year average for July.

Southern Hemisphere: +0.32 C (about 0.58 degrees Fahrenheit) above 30-year average for July.

Tropics: +0.45 C (about 0.81 degrees Fahrenheit) above 30-year average for July.


June temperatures (revised):

Global Composite: +0.31 C above 30-year average

Northern Hemisphere: +0.32 C above 30-year average

Southern Hemisphere: +0.30 C above 30-year average

Tropics: +0.51 C above 30-year average

(All temperature anomalies are based on a 30-year average (1981-2010) for the month reported.)


Notes on data released August 5, 2014:

In the tropics, July 2014 was the second warmest July in the 36-year satellite record, only 0.03 C cooler than July 2009 and 0.06 C warmer than July 1998, according to Dr. John Christy, a professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center at The University of Alabama in Huntsville.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Jesus and his followers say spot on. They implore you to keep speaking for them so that they can work together with you and de-develop the world, Return to the Primitive and create a new Eden keeping the earth, God's greatest creation, well after the Universe, Satan and Eve, safe for the next 6,000 years.
__________________
A massive campaign must be launched to restore a high-quality environment in North America and to de-develop the United States...,
John P. Holdren
White House Office of Science and Technology Director

 

[thør]

Permafrost lakes are long-term climate coolers, study says

 

[about_average]

Jesus and his followers say spot on. They implore you to keep speaking for them so that they can work together with you and de-develop the world, Return to the Primitive and create a new Eden keeping the earth, God's greatest creation, well after the Universe, Satan and Eve, safe for the next 6,000 years.

We all know you live in some fantasy land and believe all democrats and libruls hate christians and will flee any association, but, really, your posts like the above just make you look like an idiot.

 

[phrodeau]

We all know you live in some fantasy land and believe all democrats and libruls hate christians and will flee any association, but, really, your posts like the above just make you look like an idiot.

I'm guessing that Jesus told him that.

 

[about_average]

I'm guessing that Jesus told him that.

Oops, I didn't mean to attack Christianity.

 

[thør]

Taking Earth's Temperature

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Jesus loves you, and Gaia too!



When even those Science-hating Fundamentalists agree with you 100%, then you've got to be on to something...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Let's face it, the Fundamentalists don't believe in any of that Science shit, like ocean currents and sun cycles...,



... oh, hell (brimstone and pitchforks) no! They're just like you, set in their belief system, man is to blame! Man has fallen from grace, fallen from Gawd! (/Gaia!), Lord be my witness, I shall never yield, 'til we come face to face...



He knows his way in the dark,
But mine is the way of the Lord!
And those who follow the path of righteousness
Shall have their reward!
And if they fall as Lucifer fell,
The FLAME, the sword!

 

[phrodeau]

Jesus loves you, and Gaia too!



When even those Science-hating Fundamentalists agree with you 100%, then you've got to be on to something...

Link?

Ian never mentioned Fundamentalists or climate change, but somehow you latched the two together, and now you're stuck on stupid.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I do not need any further links; I proved sufficient example that shows the Fundamentalists believe, like you, that man is behaving irresponsibly and killing the earth and they have just as much reliable proof as you have.



True Believers

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Let's face it, you choose the Science that you want to believe and call else the equivalent of heresy and throw around the word "denier..."

They see your Science and go, SEE! proof! Just like in Genesis! Man has taken of the forbidden fruit! Their solutions are a lot like yours. Wind, Solar, wean ourselves off oil!

Sailboats, clothes line, horse and buggy...



They yearn for a return to Walden Pond too...
__________________
A massive campaign must be launched to restore a high-quality environment in North America and to de-develop the United States...,
John P. Holdren
White House Office of Science and Technology High Priest

 

[RobDownSouth]

I do not need any further links; I proved sufficient example that shows the Fundamentalists believe, like you, that man is behaving irresponsibly and killing the earth and they have just as much reliable proof as you have.



True Believers

Special Pleadin' AND Guilt By Association.

Two Glibertarian specialties.

 

[phrodeau]

http://www.christianforums.com/users/285427-albums5557-47205.jpeg

 

[about_average]

Special Pleadin' AND Guilt By Association.

Two Glibertarian specialties.

No, just specialties of people who can't think clearly, namely, 4est.
Just like his premise that liberals are ok with same sex marriage, "christians aren't ok with it" so if someone is ok with it and also claims to be a christian then they are really just a liberal trying to take down christianity from within.

You have to wonder what happened in the past to a mind to cause such leaps in to lala land.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

http://www.christianforums.com/users/285427-albums5557-47205.jpeg

The Messiah!

“I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."
President Obama, June 2008

Obama has never been overly modest about his own powers. [during his campaign], he declared that history will mark his ascent to the presidency as the moment when “our planet began to heal” and “the rise of the oceans began to slow.”
When you anoint yourself King Canute, you mustn’t be surprised when your subjects expect you to command the tides.
Charles Krauthammer

Revelations!

All across the world, in every kind of environment and region known to man, increasingly dangerous weather patterns and devastating storms are abruptly putting an end to the long-running debate over whether or not climate change is real. Not only is it real, it's here, and its effects are giving rise to a frighteningly new global phenomenon: the man-made natural disaster.
Barack Obama, speech, Apr. 3, 2006

We didn't listen! Woe is US!

 

[phrodeau]

No, just specialties of people who can't think clearly, namely, 4est.
Just like his premise that liberals are ok with same sex marriage, "christians aren't ok with it" so if someone is ok with it and also claims to be a christian then they are really just a liberal trying to take down christianity from within.

You have to wonder what happened in the past to a mind to cause such leaps in to lala land.

The C&P's he posts sometimes make a kind of sense. When he's extempore, he's a toon.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Now, about your allies and sound Science...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Can you tell us Frodo?



What is it that you believe about Glowball Warning the the Fundies do not?



You convinced them! Not so much the rest of us with actual Science degrees, but you really captured the hearts and minds of those who take it on faith....

 

[phrodeau]

Now the nutcase wants me to explain why some people came to their senses.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Climate changes. Always has always will. At one point in time modern humans were down to 3200 breeding pairs worldwide. We're talking possible extinction. Global warming saved us. At one point in time Europeans were all huddle on the Anatolian Plateau (Turkey) due to glaciation. The Sahara Desert was a grassland. The Mediterranean was dry until the Atlantic broke in. Imagine what effect that had on local climates. The Norse colonized Greenland till a mini ice age drove them out. The Black Death killed 3o% of Europeans. Huge tracts of land went back to wilderness. Big impact on climate. We live in an age of low sea levels. They have been lower but have been higher by a far greater margin.

Climate always changes. We probably have an impact but then it may be a small one. Can a butterfly flapping it's wings in Brazil cause it a tornado in Illinois? The question should be "What are we going to do?" Just let nature takes it's course? Try to undo our part? Attempt to almost manipulate the world's climate? Instead of terraforming can we anthroform it to fit humans better?

We have been around for such a short time. We have only been able to study the changes in far less time.

Every 25k years or so an orbital wobble gives either the northern or southern hemisphere more sunlight. Currently the south gets more. Africa approaches the limit of human survival due to the sun's rays. How will the north fare when it is its turn? Maybe human migration patterns will turn southward. Melting ice shuts down ocean currents causing another ice age. Happened before.

Plus ca change, plus c'est le meme chose. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[Que]

Climate changes. Always has always will. At one point in time modern humans were down to 3200 breeding pairs worldwide. We're talking possible extinction. Global warming saved us. At one point in time Europeans were all huddle on the Anatolian Plateau (Turkey) due to glaciation. The Sahara Desert was a grassland. The Mediterranean was dry until the Atlantic broke in. Imagine what effect that had on local climates. The Norse colonized Greenland till a mini ice age drove them out. The Black Death killed 3o% of Europeans. Huge tracts of land went back to wilderness. Big impact on climate. We live in an age of low sea levels. They have been lower but have been higher by a far greater margin.

Climate always changes. We probably have an impact but then it may be a small one. Can a butterfly flapping it's wings in Brazil cause it a tornado in Illinois? The question should be "What are we going to do?" Just let nature takes it's course? Try to undo our part? Attempt to almost manipulate the world's climate? Instead of terraforming can we anthroform it to fit humans better?

We have been around for such a short time. We have only been able to study the changes in far less time.

Every 25k years or so an orbital wobble gives either the northern or southern hemisphere more sunlight. Currently the south gets more. Africa approaches the limit of human survival due to the sun's rays. How will the north fare when it is its turn? Maybe human migration patterns will turn southward. Melting ice shuts down ocean currents causing another ice age. Happened before.

Plus ca change, plus c'est le meme chose. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Ahh...you're just hopin' Canada warms up. Kidding.

Well said.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Now the nutcase wants me to explain why some people came to their senses.

Is nutcase like denier?



When you opened up and delved into the coding of the Glowball Warning models, what did you find? I found hard-coded corrections.

You see, the Navy trained me in meteorology, I majored in Computer Science and Mathematics and I worked at the university developing models for the telecommunications industry. The fact that you're able to access the web from your android was based upon our research. The models you follow, you follow in faith and they do not work, and never have. All they can do, much like the Historical School of Economics, is model a shadow of what happened in the past because we have yet to figure out how to model chaotic systems. We have trouble even identifying the bounds and the strange attractors.

That is why you are a True Believer. You liked the story line and now all you do is look for pop-science that reenforces your orthodoxy and belief. I would call you a nutcase, but the fact is that you are more, or less, no more than average, and the average are always convinced that they are something more and can identify something to believe in...

Just gimme something to believe in...

 

[Que]

But, but...~sputter~ Science!

SssssSettled SCIENCE, I tell you.

You obviously get your talking points form faux "news" and those so-called "scientists" that everyone with half a brain knows are funded by Big Oil so they can continue to kill the planet, making it uninhabitable for ay living things...

Once again I will explain it to you 4st. I will use small words...

There was a group of researchers. These are people paid with government grant money so you know they are the best and smartest and most pure people on the planet...or at least in New Zealand, (or was it Australia?) No matter...

What these researchers who were not scientists, much less climatologists but did go to an actual university did was of earth-mending importance.

They "researched" the "research.' I'm pretty sure a smart phone and Google was involved so as you know this was high tech reliable shit.

They sorted through the research looking for bias confirmation...I mean "facts."

Any scholarly sounding paper that yielded a sentence or two that they themselves deemed to support their religion, I mean scientific worldview, was added to the stack of "confirms" this nebulous concept of "climate change." Basically if it had a graph that went up or down or measured Co2 or had hot or cold in the body of work.

What they found was taking a UD-like highlighter to a half a sentence here or there, or lifting a phrase Phrodeau style one could bastardize....I mean draw totally scientific conclusions in support of climate change from 97% of everything they googled...I mean laboriously peer-reviewed.

Do not listen to any of the actual scientist-authors of those papers in the 97% confirmed stack. Any conclusions written into those paper that counter the religion...I mean science...of climate change and any protestations at being included in the 97% are not to be believed. Who are you gonna believe? You lying eyes? Yeah, that's what Big Oil tells you to do, huh?

The 97% study and its actual foundational "research" is safely locked away so that no one else can mess up their perfect work.

The important thing here is we have the permanent number. 97% of all scientists agree with everything in Phrodeau's religion.

Cause that is how science is done. By consensus, tabulated from secret ballots no one knew they were voting on by researchers in New Zealand.