Democratic Primary Fucktussle!

[JackLuis]

Bernie Sanders fans lash out at ‘backstabber’ Ocasio-Cortez for praising Elizabeth Warren’s SNL skit

Alleged supporters of Sen. Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign expressed hostility toward Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) because she praised Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA).

After NBC’s Saturday Night Live tweeted a surprise video of Warren and cast member Kate McKinnon, Ocasio-Cortez called the short clip “legendary” in a reply on Twitter.

Many of the responses to Ocasio-Cortez were positive, but the tweet struck a number of Sanders supporters the wrong way.

Some commenters accused her of being a traitor to the Sanders campaign, while others suggested that her time would be better spent fighting for progressive ideals.

New Meme, "Some Bernie Bots are assholes!" Seresiously!

 

[Ziggins]

Pollster Bernie Porn. After I reactivated Safe Search I still didn't find much about this guy. It's a hard name for accurate search results. https://www.freep.com/story/news/po...bernie-sanders-michigan-primaries/4994142002/

 

[KeithD]

March 10th Democratic Primary: Biden, doing well in the primary, gave a very good speech today from a near-empty room in Philadelphia tonight, after both Biden and Sanders were asked by the Ohio governor not to hold their planned rallies in Cleveland tonight. They both complied. No appearance/speech from Bernie who returned to Vermont.

As of tonight Trump is still holding his next mass campaign rally. I sincerely hope so.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

I agree.

Biden doesn't need to shout progressive goals from the rooftops. In fact it's probably better if he pretends to be less progressive than he is. Let people think they're getting a "neutral" candidate and then punch them in the gut with policy once he's in the WH.

I thought he gave a perfect speech. The contrast with the Orange Creature could not have been more stark.

Liz sits in the catbird seat for the present. Both Sanders and Biden need her and the age of both of them makes the VP slot choice crucial. I'm hoping that rather than going with Bernie and his "nothing going but my just-theory ideas" approach, she'll go with Biden, use her current leverage to get the VP nod, and be in place to influence progressive agendas she, rather than Bernie, has actually planned out--and maybe move up to president, whether before or after 2024. A best scenario, I think, is for Biden to take the presidency and give us some calming and back to centering time that then leads into a steady move into more progressive policies. I think a Biden/Warren ticket would give us that.

Oh, and the best scenario would include Trump in prison.

 

[JackLuis]

Joe Biden makes a pitch for unity following his dominant mini-Super Tuesday performance as Bernie Sanders faces calls for exit

Supporters of Joe Biden called for Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders to drop out of the Democratic primary following another dominant performance from the former vice president on mini-Super Tuesday.

Biden won in Idaho, Michigan, Missouri and Mississippi, according to the Associated Press. Early exit polls showed that Biden overwhelmingly won among black and older voters as Sanders’ support among those groups slipped from his 2016 totals. Sanders narrowly won Michigan in 2016 and lost Missouri by just 0.2% against future nominee Hillary Clinton.

Biden reached out to Sanders’ supporters, offering a message of unity.

“I want to thank Bernie Sanders and his supporters for their tireless energy and their passion. We share a common goal,” he said. “And together we’ll defeat Donald Trump. We’ll defeat him together.”

Biden vowed to deliver a “bold progressive vision” to the American people and to “rebuild the middle-class.” The former vice president hit themes like economic and racial inequality.

“We’ve got to bring everybody along,” he vowed.

Got Plans, Joe? Let hear 'em and how your gonna pay for them. Whose oxen will be gored?

 

[JackLuis]

Fox News’ Andrew Napolitano offers ‘off-the-wall’ suggestion to help Biden defeat Trump

Fox News legal analyst Andrew Napolitano expects Joe Biden to make a “surprising” choice for running mate if he wins the Democratic presidential nomination.

The former vice president moved closer to securing the nomination by winning Michigan and three other states in Tuesday’s primary matchups against Sen. Bernie Sanders, and Napolitano thinks he’ll make a splash with his running mate, reported Huffington Post.

Napolitano then suggested a running mate who would be more than a little surprising.

“He might even reach across the aisle and do something off the wall like John Kasich, who probably agrees with Biden on everything except he’s got an ‘R’ after his name and it will guarantee [him] Ohio,” Napolitano said.

That would go a long way toward denying President Donald Trump a second term.

“Trump can’t win without Ohio,” he said.

 

[KeithD]

I'm still hoping Biden will read the tea leaves of the nation's voters well enough to take Warren as his vice president, not only reassuring a return to normalcy and competence in himself but also the image of not stopping there--going on to progressive when and how they can. The VP slot for Biden (and Sanders, for the matter) is vital. There's a high likelihood the VP would ascend within the first term. Voters are certainly aware of that. Additionally, Elizabeth Warren has earned it, having done the research and planning on the left that Sanders and folks never bothered to do.

I'm still afraid that Biden will go with Stacey Abrams, who is talented and charismatic, yes, but hasn't won or governed a thing yet.

 

[JackLuis]

Joe Biden Will Never Be NRA President​

Joe Biden got into a fine angry verbal foofaraw with a gunhumper at a campaign stop in Michigan today, telling the construction worker who accused him of wanting to "end" the holy Second Amendment "You're full of shit" and adding that his sons hunt, but that doesn't mean everyone has a right to any damn deadly weapon they want.

It was a classic Joe Biden grr-mad. Let's watch!

 

[KeithD]

One can hope that the NRA won't need a president much longer.

 

[Ziggins]

return to normalcy

https://www.twopartyopera.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/2PO_comic588-01-1024x410.png

 

[KeithD]

I guess you are a Bernie fanatic drone. Your Trumpian roots are showing.

You might do a little thinking about how Bernie Babies like you got turned off in 2020 after seeing what you did in 2016. I presume that you're stubborn enough to try doing it again in 2024. Obdurate stances based on unprogrammed, if dazzling wonderful to have pie-in-the-sky is a hallmark of your brand.

 

[YDB95]

I'm still afraid that Biden will go with Stacey Abrams, who is talented and charismatic, yes, but hasn't won or governed a thing yet.

"Hasn't won" may well be an exaggeration. It's pretty clear that her opponent abused his power in GA at the very least, and at worst he stole the election from her. Either way, though, she commands tremendous respect among progressive activists who are not at all excited by Biden. I'm not really worried about Biden needing to shore up the black vote - he seems to have that sewn up already - but if he wants to rally white progressives, Abrams is as good as it gets.

Having a black female running mate will also increase the "risk" that some prominent Republican or other will slip up and say out loud what they really think of feminists and minorities instead of using dogwhistles, too.

 

[KeithD]

"Hasn't won" may well be an exaggeration. It's pretty clear that her opponent abused his power in GA at the very least, and at worst he stole the election from her. Either way, though, she commands tremendous respect among progressive activists who are not at all excited by Biden. I'm not really worried about Biden needing to shore up the black vote - he seems to have that sewn up already - but if he wants to rally white progressives, Abrams is as good as it gets.

Having a black female running mate will also increase the "risk" that some prominent Republican or other will slip up and say out loud what they really think of feminists and minorities instead of using dogwhistles, too.

Hasn't won is a legal term (The repubs use it all the time on Hillary Clinton). If that doesn't say anything to you, she hasn't functioned in executive office, she hasn't governed anything for a day. She hasn't faced a single page of national legislation. The Georgia legislature doesn't have a foreign policy, intelligence, military, etc. program.

Governing at the national level is a pretty big job for a president. Again, I like her and can see that she will develop, but we're talking in the insurance seat a year from now. If we're going to elect an old man (and thems the choices in both parties) the person sitting in the copilot chair is important on 21 January 2021. On that basis, Warren, Harris, Klobuchar, Castro, Booker all stand in the experience line ahead of Abrams. Even Buttigieg at only a medium-sized city executive position has more governing experience than she does. And they've all been through the presidential candidate forge. All have had to address national-level issues before the public. Abrams hasn't.

Why isn't Elizabeth Warren good for rallying white progressives. I'd love to hear your reasoning on that. She's made a valiant effort to rationalize, explain, and show costs of progressive programs. Bernie Sanders hasn't. Why the hell are Bernie followers so starry-eyed and naïve and bamboozled not to have noticed that? And in a long national-level career, he's never done anything on implementing his dazzling progressive program.

 

[Ziggins]

I guess you are a Bernie fanatic drone. Your Trumpian roots are showing.

You might do a little thinking about how Bernie Babies like you got turned off in 2020 after seeing what you did in 2016. I presume that you're stubborn enough to try doing it again in 2024. Obdurate stances based on unprogrammed, if dazzling wonderful to have pie-in-the-sky is a hallmark of your brand.

I'm a swing voter who is tired of rally-round-the-flag partisan BS. Political parties may eventually flame out, but probably not within my lifetime.

 

[KeithD]

I'm a swing voter who is tired of rally-round-the-flag partisan BS. Political parties may eventually flame out, but probably not within my lifetime.

Goody for you.

 

[YDB95]

Why isn't Elizabeth Warren good for rallying white progressives. I'd love to hear your reasoning on that.

Because she's white, and because a lot of them will never forgive her for the issues surrounding her ancestry. I don't agree, but that doesn't matter. Black voters seem to already love Biden whether he has a black running mate or not, but that doesn't seem to matter to the folks I'm thinking of either.

 

[KeithD]

Because she's white, and because a lot of them will never forgive her for the issues surrounding her ancestry. I don't agree, but that doesn't matter. Black voters seem to already love Biden whether he has a black running mate or not, but that doesn't seem to matter to the folks I'm thinking of either.

They all have baggage. She's the actual thinking/planning progressive among the bunch. I say she's the one to start off in the copilot seat for the Democrats to be able to offer a return to tolerable with a promise of then putting it into forward.

Nobody with an understanding of government would think that Stacy Abrams was a better bet (than a lot of possibilities). Not, again saying she's not going to be terrific some day. But we're now seeing what "doesn't have a clue about the job" spins out to.

 

[YDB95]

They all have baggage. She's the actual thinking/planning progressive among the bunch. I say she's the one to start off in the copilot seat for the Democrats to be able to offer a return to tolerable with a promise of then putting it into forward.

I don't disagree. But an all-white ticket is not going to go over well at all with the left, and we can't afford for them to stay home or vote Green.

Nobody with an understanding of government would think that Stacy Abrams was a better bet (than a lot of possibilities). Not, again saying she's not going to be terrific some day. But we're now seeing what "doesn't have a clue about the job" spins out to.

You're not seriously arguing that she's as incompetent as Trump, are you?

 

[JackLuis]

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez had a brilliant response to Elizabeth Warren’s refusal to endorse Bernie Sanders

Despite the urging of a legion of Sen. Bernie Sanders’s followers. Sen. Elizabeth Warren did not endorse the Vermont senator in his bid for the White House ahead of the pivotal day of voting on Tuesday. Now, as his rival piles up a large delegate leader, it’s getting harder to see how Sanders could win the Democratic nomination for president.

Since Warren dropped out of the race after a dismal personal showing on Super Tuesday, some thought she might endorse Sanders as her closest ideological ally left in the race. But she has withheld her endorsement from both Sanders and former Vice President Joe Biden, the only other leading candidate in the race.

“I always want to see us come together as a progressive wing,” Ms. Ocasio-Cortez said. “I think that’s important and where we draw strength from. But at the same time, I come from the lens of an organizer, and if someone doesn’t do what you want, you don’t blame them — you ask why. And you don’t demand that answer of that person — you reflect. And that reflection is where you can grow.”

 

[KeithD]

I don't disagree. But an all-white ticket is not going to go over well at all with the left, and we can't afford for them to stay home or vote Green.



You're not seriously arguing that she's as incompetent as Trump, are you?

Let me know when you're prepared to address what I have posted honestly.

 

[KeithD]

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez had a brilliant response to Elizabeth Warren’s refusal to endorse Bernie Sanders

Warren wouldn't be helping to bring the party together by endorsing Sanders. That would deepen the divide. Bernie Brothers might think about what part they've had in her not endorsing Bernie.

 

[ishtat]

Warren has good reasons to back Biden and not Sanders:

1 Because she is evolutionary and intends to work through established institutions and procedures. Sanders on the other hand is revolutionary - exactly like Trump, and intends to destroy the traditional institutions and procedures.

2. Biden and a good VP could get Congress working again. Essentially, Moscow Mitch has sabotaged Congress since 2012.

3. Biden will be in a position to hand out jobs. Warren may not get VP and has her faults, but fundamentally she is just too good to leave out.

Reason 1 above is more than sufficient on its own for Warren to back Biden. The only issue to my mind is how to time it to maximize Sanders defeat. (I really despise Sanders - you may have guessed).

 

[Ziggins]

"Healthcare is a human right" is an easy slogan that ignores the years, expense, and stress of pre-med, medical school, and hospital residency. When medical training is more like vocational training in high school and community college, then we could have affordable community healthcare.

I thought a bit more about this. Part of that right is the freedom to choose who will provide care, with or without a medical license.

 

[JackLuis]

Fucktussle In D.C.

Biden: "I agreed with Bernie" that bankers should have gone to jail

Joe Biden pointed out another area of agreement with Bernie Sanders during Sunday night's debate: Those on Wall Street responsible for the 2008 economic collapse should have gone to jail.

But he also criticized Sanders over his vote against the bank bailout.

The former vice president said individuals Sanders says he cares about would have been in “deep trouble” had banks been allowed to collapse.

Joe and Bernie tried to be civil, but...

 

[Wrong Element]

I think Sanders could be facing a lot of pressure to concede after tomorrow night. Ordinarily I think most people would be fine with letting him go all the way to June, provided he endorse much more quickly this time than he did with Hillary. He clearly has the money to go that long.

But do you really want to urge voters to go to the polls in this (literally) toxic environment, with the race essentially decided? With a looming crisis in New York, what's the point of having their voters go to potentially crowded polling places next month? Tomorrow is my primary day, and even though it's usually a small matter to avoid crowds for a primary where I vote, there's really nothing at stake to justify taking any risk at all.