Democratic Primary Fucktussle!

[JackLuis]

Stacey Abrams says she’s ‘ready to serve’ as VP: ‘I would be an excellent running mate’

Hint, hint, Joe.

Former Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams recently touted her qualifications for vice president.

In an interview with Elle, Abrams explained that she would be “an excellent runningmate” for presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden.

“Yes. I would be honored,” Abrams said. “I would be an excellent running mate. I have the capacity to attract voters by motivating typically ignored communities. I have a strong history of executive and management experience in the private, public, and nonprofit sectors. I’ve spent 25 years in independent study of foreign policy.”
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“I am ready to help advance an agenda of restoring America’s place in the world. If I am selected, I am prepared and excited to serve,” she added.

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[KeithD]

Stacey Abrams says she’s ‘ready to serve’ as VP: ‘I would be an excellent running mate’

Hint, hint, Joe.



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Totally inexperienced at this point to step up to the presidency anytime soon, with that being a likely scenario--Check.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Totally inexperienced at this point to step up to the presidency anytime soon, with that being a likely scenario--Check.

If that didn't stop the Mayor of South Bend, Indiana, or a reality-TV show host, why should that stop the former floor leader of the Democratic caucus in the Georgia House of Representatives?

 

[KeithD]

If that didn't stop the Mayor of South Bend, Indiana, or a reality-TV show host, why should that stop the former floor leader of the Democratic caucus in the Georgia House of Representatives?

Stop the former mayor of South Bend from doing what? I wasn't aware that he was in the mix--although he's better positioned than Abrams is, as he went through the steeling of the presidential debates. She didn't. If he were being mooted as a VP contender, my answer would be the same, even though being a mayor of even a small city is more executive experience and going through the presidential debates is more of a president testing than having been in the Georgia legislature or losing an election for a state position.

We're seeing what experience and competence being a reality-TV show host brings to the job, so I don't know what point that tries to make.

I'm not really understanding what your point is here.

I'm looking for someone who can step into the shoes of a man nearly 80 before he even enters the office. There are a bunch of Democrats who can do that--probably more than a dozen before you get to Abrams, who is quite talented and promising with time and experience--experience at the national level that she just don't has.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Stop the former mayor of South Bend from doing what? I wasn't aware that he was in the mix--although he's better positioned than Abrams is, as he went through the steeling of the presidential debates. She didn't. If he were being mooted as a VP contender, my answer would be the same, even though being a mayor of even a small city is more executive experience and going through the presidential debates is more of a president testing than having been in the Georgia legislature or losing an election for a state position.

We're seeing what experience and competence being a reality-TV show host brings to the job, so I don't know what point that tries to make.

I'm not really understanding what your point is here.

I'm looking for someone who can step into the shoes of a man nearly 80 before he even enters the office. There are a bunch of Democrats who can do that--probably more than a dozen before you get to Abrams, who is quite talented and promising with time and experience--experience at the national level that she just don't has.

My point is that if a former small-town mayor can be taken seriously enough for national public office that he basically tied with a prominent Senator from Vermont in the Iowa caucuses, and if a reality-TV show host was actually elected President of the United States, being a House minority leader in a state legislature is not exactly all that junior. I got my own issues with Stacey Abrams, mostly because she endorsed Mike Bloomberg, but let's put her no longer disqualifying relative inexperience next to Biden or Sanders to bed, shall we?

 

[Tabithablack]

My point is that if a former small-town mayor can be taken seriously enough for national public office that he basically tied with a prominent Senator from Vermont in the Iowa caucuses, and if a reality-TV show host was actually elected President of the United States, being a House minority leader in a state legislature is not exactly all that junior. I got my own issues with Stacey Abrams, mostly because she endorsed Mike Bloomberg, but let's put her no longer disqualifying relative inexperience next to Biden or Sanders to bed, shall we?

My issue with Abrams(edited put James for some reason) is what I'm sure many think, but few want to say.

her 'merit' is her skin color. Biden has been told he will have a female VP and her being black is two cards in the woke hand to play to the SJW voters.

The shame of that, is if she is chosen its for pandering and the wrong reasons, but forced diversity has long ago turned 'empowerment' into pandering, patronizing and is its own special form of racism/sexism or etc.

I agree with Keith D that she is not ready, Biden's VP will be another aneurysm from the Presidency. Trump being elected with no political experience? Well how is that working out?

Biden's best pick as far as competency and experience I think is Globuchar who also is respected by conservatives and imagine that! Having someone who might be able to get these two squabbling idiot parties to get together on some things.

Or if he feels he must-or is pushed to play the cards go with Kamala Harris. She has some baggage, but she was a former prosecutor, a senator and just ran a presidential campaign.

Stacy is the pic that pleases the young SJW's....you know, the demographic that doesn't vote?

If you want to see Biden win, that goes down the tubes if she's the pick.

 

[KeithD]

My point is that if a former small-town mayor can be taken seriously enough for national public office that he basically tied with a prominent Senator from Vermont in the Iowa caucuses, and if a reality-TV show host was actually elected President of the United States, being a House minority leader in a state legislature is not exactly all that junior. I got my own issues with Stacey Abrams, mostly because she endorsed Mike Bloomberg, but let's put her no longer disqualifying relative inexperience next to Biden or Sanders to bed, shall we?

Again, I don't see this as going anywhere in terms of my noting that Stacy Abrams doesn't have the national-level executive chops yet to be the vice president behind a nearly eighty-year-old president. A "back to calming mode" presidential candidate, which Biden is and Sanders most certainly wouldn't have been, backed up by a more "where do we go when we've calmed down?" VP (Warren, in my opinion--but others as well, not including Abrams) meets my idea of the team we need. It's nothing against Abrams. She should run for (and get) governor of Georgia first--or something else that shows she can manage something at the upper levels.

Bringing Buttigieg into this is flipping out of the framework of my post. But he, in fact, now has more presidential-zone development than Abrams does. She has none.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Again, I don't see this as going anywhere in terms of my noting that Stacy Abrams doesn't have the national-level executive chops yet to be the vice president behind a nearly eighty-year-old president. A "back to calming mode" presidential candidate, which Biden is and Sanders most certainly wouldn't have been, backed up by a more "where do we go when we've calmed down?" VP (Warren, in my opinion--but others as well, not including Abrams) meets my idea of the team we need. It's nothing against Abrams. She should run for (and get) governor of Georgia first--or something else that shows she can manage something at the upper levels.

Bringing Buttigieg into this is flipping out of the framework of my post. But he, in fact, now has more presidential-zone development than Abrams does. She has none.

My point is that the rulebook has been tossed out entirely. We're living in the post-Trump America. We're not playing by the same game plan anymore. That being said, I would much rather have someone like Nina Turner than Stacey Abrams myself. A more progressive platform and history to balance out Biden's Blue-Dog moderate conservatism. He's the most conservative nominee that the Democrats have picked since John W. Davis.

Of course, Biden's likely to emulate Hillary by adding insult to injury with another Tim Kaine-like middle-finger to the left VP. Yet another reason why Biden will lose.

Democrats have an unenviable talent for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

 

[KeithD]

My point is that the rulebook has been tossed out entirely.

My post has to do with ability to govern and to improve the lives of the citizens. Your rule book response just isn't responsive. Sorry.

And, also sorry. I don't buy the "Biden will lose" stuff any more than I buy the "Oh woe is us that Bernie didn't get to steal the party." I don't call who is going to win and who isn't.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

My post has to do with ability to govern and to improve the lives of the citizens. Your rule book response just isn't responsive. Sorry.

And, also sorry. I don't buy the "Biden will lose" stuff any more than I buy the "Oh woe is us that Bernie didn't get to steal the party." I don't call who is going to win and who isn't.

You are aware that political experience, while useful, isn't always indicative of who would govern best, right? Some folks are in government for decades and completely useless. Others, like Andrew Yang, are political novices and have some of the best visions and ideas around..practical plans that go outside the box.

 

[KeithD]

You are aware that political experience, while useful, isn't always indicative of who would govern best, right? Some folks are in government for decades and completely useless. Others, like Andrew Yang, are political novices and have some of the best visions and ideas around..practical plans that go outside the box.

This is getting tedious. I posted on GOVERNING experience, not political experience. Abrams has political experience. I explicitly posted that that doesn't qualify her to govern the United States.

You interjected Buttigieg, who isn't in the VP mix at all, and Trump, who quite obviously supports my discussion on the importance of governing experience. Yang has zero governing experience. Governing experience/ability isn't the same as anything else you have mentioned. As far as I'm concerned Bernie has great ideas--he just has shown no ability in decades at the national level of managing to put any of them in place. He doesn't have governing experience--or ability--or willingness--to govern, as far as I can discern.

Just drop it. You're not responding to what I posted.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

This is getting tedious. I posted on GOVERNING experience, not political experience. Abrams has political experience. I explicitly posted that that doesn't qualify her to govern the United States.

You interjected Buttigieg, who isn't in the VP mix at all, and Trump, who quite obviously supports my discussion on the importance of governing experience. Yang has zero governing experience. Governing experience/ability isn't the same as anything else you have mentioned. As far as I'm concerned Bernie has great ideas--he just has shown no ability in decades at the national level of managing to put any of them in place. He doesn't have governing experience--or ability--or willingness--to govern, as far as I can discern.

Just drop it. You're not responding to what I posted.

We're clearly not on the same page, so, yes, I will drop it. Your definition of governing experience strikes me as a nebulous one and one that you can't even define for your own benefit, let alone anyone else. It also strikes me as subjective if you don't grasp that the legislative branch governs as much as the executive and judicial ones do.

 

[JackLuis]

Folks, Pilot is only supportive of "Really Experienced" Pols like Hillary who had less than three years of SoS and was so good as to only get us into three fucking wars and leading the parade of corporatists down Wall Street.

No others will do for our Pilot.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Folks, Pilot is only supportive of "Really Experienced" Pols like Hillary who had less than three years of SoS and was so good as to only get us into three fucking wars and leading the parade of corporatists down Wall Street.

No others will do for our Pilot.

Hillary's level of experience has always been exaggerated. She had less than John Edwards in 2008, not to mention Bill Richardson, let alone Joe Biden, but she was trumpeted as being somehow more experienced or more qualified, significantly less than Bernie Sanders, yet she was treated as more qualified than him as well. Sorry, but eight years in the Senate and four as Secretary of State is moderate experience, not more than decades in various posts or even one post.

Incidentally, Hillary's record in the Senate, as I recall, was mediocre at best. Naming post offices and holidays, the very sort of thing that her backers say about Bernie Sanders, who at least was the Amendment King.

 

[KeithD]

It's marvelous how many folks know more about what I think than I do.

But why do they sound so butt hurt?

 

[JackLuis]

Lifelong Republicans endorse Joe Biden for president — and say ‘Trump must be defeated’

A group of lifelong Republicans on Thursday said that they were endorsing former Vice President Joe Biden for president, while arguing that the United States simply cannot afford another four years of Donald Trump in the White House.

In an editorial published by the Washington Post, conservatives George Conway, Reed Galen, Steve Schmidt, John Weaver, and Rick Wilson argued that Americans absolutely needs a change in leadership as it faces its worst crisis in years.

Meanwhile on Facebook

Biden Bro's beg Bernie Bro's for unmitigated support, while Bernie Bro's ask Biden to do something, anything progressive if he want their votes.

Biden is 'working on his platform' and begging his backers for MORE MONEY! Rethugs have $200 million in the bank and Biden hasn't. Bernie won't turn over his donor lists or his funds as he calls for more delegates to keep the pressure on Biden/DNC to DO SOMETHING PROGRESSIVE!

 

[Ziggins]

Bernie won't turn over his donor lists or his funds

Forwarding the list without their consent would be unethical. Accepting that as common practice shows where and what the party is. Returning their money with a suggestion they donate it to Biden is a standard of ethics I'd like to see all politicians practice.

 

[KeithD]

Meanwhile on Facebook

Biden Bro's beg Bernie Bro's for unmitigated support, while Bernie Bro's ask Biden to do something, anything progressive if he want their votes.

Biden is 'working on his platform' and begging his backers for MORE MONEY! Rethugs have $200 million in the bank and Biden hasn't. Bernie won't turn over his donor lists or his funds as he calls for more delegates to keep the pressure on Biden/DNC to DO SOMETHING PROGRESSIVE!

Can you maybe give us a date when you're going to stop being butt hurt that the Democrats decided to run a Democrat in this election?

 

[JackLuis]

Can you maybe give us a date when you're going to stop being butt hurt that the Democrats decided to run a Democrat in this election?

The DNC allowed Bernie into the party then said he hadn't done anything that they supported, despite his fund raising and good ideas that Biden is trying to adopt without losing his Wall Street donors.

The DNC NIH's Bernie's expression of Eleanor’s social responsibilities for love of Mammon!

All Joe has to do to get Bernie Bro support is to accept his general directions and 'moderate' them a bit. But Noooo, he waffles about HC4A 'cause Big Insurance has the CofC in their grip!

How about Liz taking over with her Planz?

 

[KeithD]

So, you haven't determined a date yet that you're going to stop being butt hurt that the Democrats chose a Democrat to run in the election(?)

I've more than once posted that I think Biden should pick Warren to run as VP and that I have the expectation that whoever ran as VP was likely to be moved up. That's even when I prefer Klobochar myself.

Warren is a better progressive than Sanders is anyway. She actually reasons out her plans and she has the ability to network and compromise a bit in getting work done.

 

[JackLuis]

So, you haven't determined a date yet that you're going to stop being butt hurt that the Democrats chose a Democrat to run in the election(?)

I've more than once posted that I think Biden should pick Warren to run as VP and that I have the expectation that whoever ran as VP was likely to be moved up. That's even when I prefer Klobochar myself.

Warren is a better progressive than Sanders is anyway. She actually reasons out her plans and she has the ability to network and compromise a bit in getting work done.

I just like to point out that Bernie has 30% of the Dem's supporting him because of his ideas, and his unwillingness to roll over for Th Establishment, and that Joe IS the Establishment that has gotten us into this fucking mess.

Biden has proven over and over that he will compromise with Segregationists, Imperial Wars and all manner of undemocratic principles if it conflicts with the Chamber of Commerce's viewpoints.

I don't think Amy would roll over as well as Joe does. But sure, let's have a VP young enough so four years wouldn't be stretching his/her mortality.

How about Joe/Tulsi 2020?

 

[KeithD]

Bernie has proved over the years that he's a backbencher who is all talk because he doesn't know how to network to get work done.

Feel free to go off and form your own party. You're showing like, in 2016, you can't be counted on to keep Trump out of office. Just stop pissing in the tent and go find your own tent.

And, again, do let us know a date when you plan on stop being butt hurt that the Democrats are choosing to run a Democrat in the election.

 

[JackLuis]

Joe Biden Is Not a Decent Man

What the Left says about Biden. Is it too vitriolic?

fter the longest primary election in history, Bernie Sanders dropped out of the race to be the Democratic nominee last week. This means that, at long last, Joe Biden has become the Democratic nominee against Donald Trump. Joe Biden is among the most right-wing candidates in the Democratic field, with a long record of terrible political positions. Additionally 20% of Sanders supporters say that they aren’t sure if they will vote for Biden in the general. This comes in spite of Sanders calling Biden a “very decent man” and giving him a full-throated endorsement in which he claimed that it was “irresponsible” not to vote for him.

This is creating a situation of great pressures for socialists who are refusing to vote for Biden. The argument that many are making goes that to not vote for Biden is to vote for Trump and, even though he opposes essentially everything that socialists believe in, he is the ‘lesser evil’ and thus a vote for him is to choose the lesser evil and practice harm reduction.

This argument of ‘lesser evilism’ is a common one that is trotted out at every election. But Biden makes the flaws of this theory extremely clear: he is a bigot, an ally to capital, and very much not a ‘decent man.’ He doesn’t deserve our vote and we shouldn’t give it to him. Of course, we socialists are on the front line of fighting against Donald Trump and his imperialism and his anti-immigrant, racist, misogynistic, and anti-LGBTQ+ policies, but Joe Biden, another candidate who will continue U.S. imperialism and oppress the working class and most oppressed, is not not the solution and is also actively opposed to the project of socialism. Voting for him won’t reduce harm. Instead, we need to organize to fight both Trump and Biden.

Vote Least Evil in 2020?

A lot of this is hyperbolic but the facts are that he is a Shill for the Eastern Establishment, just like Obama became.

 

[JackLuis]

‘Democrats cave’: Senate interim funding bill for coronavirus relief spurns progressive priorities

Progressives exploded in frustration Tuesday as the Senate prepared to pass an interim funding bill for coronavirus relief that once again included no funding for the Post Office, food banks, or election security, and provided no bailout oversight and no funding for states and cities—leading critics to wonder why Democratic lawmakers refused to use their leverage and hold up the bill.

“This isn’t good,” tweeted The Nation‘s national affairs correspondent Jeet Heer. “It’s imperative to get money out the door fast but these are one sided agreements.”


According to Politico, a deal on the legislation was reached Tuesday afternoon after negotiations between Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), and the White House yielded a bill that all parties were happy with. President Donald Trump has indicated he will sign the legislation.

With a hard nose like Chuck Schumer negotiating, the surprise is not a cavein, but that he folded like a garage sale card table.

 

[ishtat]

Jack I have been pretty consistent in my views. Sanders has always been political trash, loyal only to his own ego, incapable of networking with others towards a goal and he never paid his dues to anybody, and was never and is still not a member of the party he attempted to parasitize.

He has never achieved a single substantive reform in 40 years of sucking the public teat and you still support the incompetent socialist. He was always un-electable and his ranting populism from the left is a mirror image of Trump's from the right.

Joe should be nice to him, listen but promise nothing. After Biden is elected the Democrats can tell Sanders that his fellow populist Trump has spent all the money, nothing left for Sanders crackpot notions.

Then the D's should deprive Sanders of every privilege he has been given by the party over the years and bury him. Deep, as deep as possible.

The only question for you Jack is, who are you going to vote for?

Welcome to reality.