Demonizing sex workers

[VerbalAbuse]

Your view is entirely predicated on there being something wrong with being a sex worker.

We can agree that being a trafficked, coerced and controlled sex worker is wrong, like any type of slavery.

But I don’t accept your view that sex work is inherently wrong.

Emily

But you don't have the balls to say: "Yes, I would tell my daughter prostitution is a fine career choice."

 

[SimonDoom]

A bit, yes.
It might seem irrational, but to me, it feels like cheating in a sense. The idea that you can be just given something and then profit from it with zero effort grates on my sense of right and wrong. I mean, I know that life is unfair and that we are all dealt a good or a bad hand at birth, but it should never be so that it takes no effort whatsoever to profit from that hand. I know it is not really a rational view but I can't help thinking so.

I guess my response is that everything is like this. Some people are born much more intelligent than others, and they take advantage of that by going into professions where they make much more money than other people. It seems to me silly to fret that doing so is somehow unfair or unworthy. Some people run faster than others, and as a result they can make millions of dollars running the football on an NFL team. Would it be more moral for them to decline to use their inherited gifts and instead toil away in a job where they rely on hard work rather than gifts? That seems to me a silly position to take.

 

[EmilyMiller]

But you don't have the balls to say: "Yes, I would tell my daughter prostitution is a fine career choice."

I certainly don’t have the balls, no.

I wouldn’t tell my [hypothetical] daughter anything. I would support her in any decision she took.

Anyway, I refuse to debate with adversarial people, so this exchange is over.

Emily

 

[SimonDoom]

But you don't have the balls to say: "Yes, I would tell my daughter prostitution is a fine career choice."

I addressed this above. I would have concerns as a prudential matter because of all the stigma that historically has been placed on a woman's choice. But I DO have the balls to say, I don't think it would be immoral. I don't believe sex work is inherently any more immoral than anything else, as long as it's consensual and involves adults.

So, do YOU have the balls to say that your disapproval of your daughter's choice would be based on your belief that it would be immoral, and not just risky in a prudential way? Is that your position? Don't accuse others of lacking balls unless you are willing to be perfectly clear on the record about your position.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

I guess my response is that everything is like this. Some people are born much more intelligent than others, and they take advantage of that by going into professions where they make much more money than other people. It seems to me silly to fret that doing so is somehow unfair or unworthy. Some people run faster than others, and as a result they can make millions of dollars running the football on an NFL team. Would it be more moral for them to decline to use their inherited gifts and instead toil away in a job where they rely on hard work rather than gifts? That seems to me a silly position to take.

Did you already forget what I wrote? Intelligence, sports or artistic talents still require an effort, often a great effort. You need education and/or training and lots of practice before you can profit from those. Looks require none of that, or almost none.

 

[KeithD]

This is an erotica story site. I see no reason why the thread question needs to go further than the context of the site. The use of sex workers can quite effectively be used in erotica stories. I build a whole world around them. So, are they always demonized in stories here--or need to be? No, they can easily be employed in arousal fiction. I can and do construct a world for them that's separate from any real-life machinations on the topic.

 

[alohadave]

The question I asked (as opposed to the question you had in mind) was: Would you encourage your daughter to take up prostitution? That's the question, not what you said it was.

"Daddy, daddy, should I become a doctor?"

"Yes, sweetie."

"Daddy, daddy, should I become a lawyer?"

"Yes, sweetie."

"Daddy, daddy, should I become an engineer?"

"Yes, sweetie."

"Daddy, daddy, should I become a whore?"

>> fill in your answer.

Why is whore the only option that uses a derogatory term?

 

[SimonDoom]

Did you already forget what I wrote? Intelligence, sports or artistic talents still require an effort, often a great effort. You need education and/or training and lots of practice before you can profit from those. Looks require none of that, or almost none.

Why are you assuming that success at sex work is based on looks alone? Do you know that? I imagine there are other factors that go into it as well, just as with anything else. I'm not sure your assumptions are correct.

I can easily imagine that a sex worker whose looks are, to be crude, an 8 out of 10, could be much more accomplished and successful because of her learned skills than a sex worker whose looks are a 10 out of 10. In this respect I don't see any difference between sex work and other types of work. Inherited gifts would play a big role, as would skills developed through time and effort. If you DON'T believe that, don't you think there's a good chance that it's because of bias?

 

[EmilyMiller]

This is an erotica story site. I see no reason why the thread question needs to go further than the context of the site. The use of sex workers can quite effectively be used in erotica stories. I build a whole world around them. So, are they always demonized in stories here--or need to be? No, they can easily be employed in arousal fiction. I can and do construct a world for them that's separate from any real-life machinations on the topic.

As you know, I have a sex worker who is actually a demon in my stories. And another who is an angel.

Emily

 

[EmilyMiller]

Why is whore the only option that uses a derogatory term?

Because is a straw-man argument.

Getting to the point of don’t feed the trolls.

Emily

 

[HordHolm]

Why are you assuming that success at sex work is based on looks alone? Do you know that? I imagine there are other factors that go into it as well, just as with anything else. I'm not sure your assumptions are correct.

I can easily imagine that a sex worker whose looks are, to be crude, an 8 out of 10, could be much more accomplished and successful because of her learned skills than a sex worker whose looks are a 10 out of 10. In this respect I don't see any difference between sex work and other types of work. Inherited gifts would play a big role, as would skills developed through time and effort. If you DON'T believe that, don't you think there's a good chance that it's because of bias?

We mustn't forget the charisma of the individual, either. A person who can bring others with them with charm and ease, making them feel 'happy' (however that is judged in context) is likely to do better, all else being equal, than one who is 'better' looking, but less of a people person.

 

[StillStunned]

Humans aren’t terribly consistent.

Guys do marry whores. Some retired, some still active. Love is love.

Emily

Yup. People marry partners in all kinds of professions. Tax inspectors, criminal defence lawyers, clowns. Sex worker is only a bad thing if you *call* it a bad thing. But if there wasn't a demand for sex work in society, there wouldn't be any sex workers either.

Is there anywhere you would recommend?

For travel? Plenty of places. For prostitutes? I really couldn't say. Just saying the ones in the windows in Amsterdam's Red Light District weren't that exciting.

 

[KeithD]

As you know, I have a sex worker who is actually a demon in my stories. And another who is an angel.

Emily

Well, no, I don't know. I don't read many of the stories here.

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

Tilan has been reincarnated again. Now he calls himself @VerbalAbuse don't respond to him and you'll have a much more pleasanter day.

 

[EmilyMiller]

Well, no, I don't know. I don't read many of the stories here.

Replied the wrong post

Emily

 

[Bazzle]

I interview lot's of Instagram/Reddit/Twitter smoking fetish models "mining" them for stories.

Ultimately it's conflicting. They are desperate for cash, yet are moms/wives earning some cash during the day when their children are at school.

Not being out on the streets at night!

 

[MillieDynamite]

Here, I thought this thread died from getting too long in the tooth.

 

[M_K_Babalon]

This threads back‽

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

The thread went away but hung around. It bothered our minds every night. When it wouldn't die away, everyone said don’t respond, and it’ll die. But @VerbalAbuse is here and now, the thread’s not dead. The thread is back, and we’re all in trouble.

Damn, man, the bitch is back.

 

[DrPope]

My fiftieth story is about a sex worker. A sex worker who is married (apparently happily) and has a young child.

Em

It's good ...very good.
I didn't know it existed before I read this .....
I'm very interested in the process of developing an actual relationship between a sex worker and a normal guy ...what kind of communication and negotiation must be involved.
I see it as really interesting subject matter for fiction.

 

[DrPope]

The Pornstar Experience has an obvious theme (it is an actual pornstar escorting, as many do).

He had a much better experience then I have had ...I find the best rule to stick to is stick to escorts for escorting and pornstars for porning ..... even if you want a PSE. Plenty of girls do PSE in escorting.

 

[EmilyMiller]

He had a much better experience then I have had ...I find the best rule to stick to is stick to escorts for escorting and pornstars for porning ..... even if you want a PSE. Plenty of girls do PSE in escorting.

Obviously a made-up story. A commission actually. Though I did a little research (from the POV of the girl), as I explain in The Writing of A Hard Day’s Night.

Emily

 

[Yesok1]

In times of these with cost of living crisis in The West. There are probably families where wives and mothers are having to increase household income by entering the sex industry.

Husbands are probably aware, and unwhilst unhappy about feel that there is no other choice.

In a recent tv show I watched about the Yorkshire Ripper, a husband drove his wife to have sex in his builders can whilst he was drinking in the pub.

So whilst its undesirable, it maybe a necessity for some.

Whilst others among us, give it away for free, (hides behind hand), I wonder where the morals lie.

I think sex workers are exceptionally brave people doing what they can to put food on the table.

 

[lc69hunter]

Sex worker does not always mean prostitution. Strippers are sex workers also. About husbands. I have worked as a bouncer/security in strip clubs in six different states. In some of the looser clubs, we had to ban certain husbands and boyfriends who couldn't handle what they thought their wife or girlfriend was doing back in the VIP rooms. Other husbands had no problem with it.

 

[MelissaBaby]

I might be totally clueless here, but it seems to me that their choice to get into sex work is often based on their (probably flawed) perception that it's a quick way to earn money, one that doesn't require education or much effort.

Or when she got pregnant at eighteen, the baby daddy ghosted her and her parents threw her out of the house. She and the baby couch surfed with friends until she managed to get a subsidized apartment and food stamps. But food stamps won't pay for diapers or shampoo or dish soap. She found a part time minimum wage job. She couldn't take anything better because then she would lose her benefits.

The kid's got a bad cough and needs to see a doctor. The bus fares to get to work just went up. She has to walk home so she'll have enough money for cough medicine. It's November and she doesn't have a winter coat.

When a car pulls up and a guy offers her twenty bucks if she will suck his dick and she gets in, it's not because she's greedy or lazy.