Discussion on negative feedback...

[Guest]

Surprisingly I'm very proud to have written two LW stories and actually have H's on both. Of course one got a whole hoopla of different opinions, considering that Ihave the offensive husband being put in jail on charges that were...well falsified and while he was in there, he got to be .... um... sexually oriented in the ways of jail life.

You'd be surprised how many guys hate the thought of male rape like that...lol.

 

[rgraham666]

If you write in LW, you're going to piss some group of readers off no matter what you do.

If you actually write about Loving Wives, you'll piss off the people who want some cheating.

If you write about someone who cheats but their spouse forgives them, people will be unhappy with the 'wimp' husband.

If you write about someone who cheats and the spouse leaves them, you'll piss off the people who think they should be forgiven.

If you write about someone who cheats and the spouse concocts some complex and horrible revenge plot, you'll piss off the people who thought she didn't get as much pain as she deserved.

In short, if you want to get trolled, write a Loving Wives story.

 

[SweetWitch]

If you write in LW, you're going to piss some group of readers off no matter what you do.

If you actually write about Loving Wives, you'll piss off the people who want some cheating.

If you write about someone who cheats but their spouse forgives them, people will be unhappy with the 'wimp' husband.

If you write about someone who cheats and the spouse leaves them, you'll piss off the people who think they should be forgiven.

If you write about someone who cheats and the spouse concocts some complex and horrible revenge plot, you'll piss off the people who thought she didn't get as much pain as she deserved.

In short, if you want to get trolled, write a Loving Wives story.

And there you have it folks, the definition of how to stir up the trolls.

 

[rachlou]

so let me get this straight in my sore head -

they want a wife who loves her spouse, but who then cheats on him, He forgives her initially, then pisses off in a huff. She decides she hates him and takes bloody revenge on his sorry ass.

I reckon all angles would be covered in that plot, so nobody has cause for complaint!! Throw in a few extra fucks and everyone's a winner.. Result!

 

[Selena_Kitt]

so let me get this straight in my sore head -

they want a wife who loves her spouse, but who then cheats on him, He forgives her initially, then pisses off in a huff. She decides she hates him and takes bloody revenge on his sorry ass.

I reckon all angles would be covered in that plot, so nobody has cause for complaint!! Throw in a few extra fucks and everyone's a winner.. Result!

you forgot about the pregancy fetish crowd... there's a LW faction that wants wives to get pregnant with their lovers' babies...

 

[rachlou]

oh bugger - ok -
Loving wife loves her spouse but cheats on him with a well-hung black man. She falls pregnant, hubby forgives her ('cos he doesn't know she's upp duff)and all is well. Then he finds out about the love-child and has a change of heart, leaving her sorry ass. She now hates him and takes very bloody revenge on HIS sorry ass...

Now we have the interracial theme too - Great!

 

[SweetWitch]

so let me get this straight in my sore head -

they want a wife who loves her spouse, but who then cheats on him, He forgives her initially, then pisses off in a huff. She decides she hates him and takes bloody revenge on his sorry ass.

I reckon all angles would be covered in that plot, so nobody has cause for complaint!! Throw in a few extra fucks and everyone's a winner.. Result!

Um, actually, I wrote that very plot and got death threats.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

you forgot about the pregancy fetish crowd... there's a LW faction that wants wives to get pregnant with their lovers' babies...

Well, what else can you do with 'barrels of boiling black baby batter'? and that's just from the comments!

 

[S-Des]

you forgot about the pregancy fetish crowd... there's a LW faction that wants wives to get pregnant with their lovers' babies...

Is Don a faction?

 

[rgraham666]

you forgot about the pregancy fetish crowd... there's a LW faction that wants wives to get pregnant with their lovers' babies...

Damn! I always forget that one!

I suppose that's because having kids isn't a fantasy of mine.

 

[AchtungNight]

This situation, I believe, speaks for itself. What you are dealing with are petulant children—at least in the sense that these creatures have not matured emotionally. What they are really telling you is that they love you. Let me explain. When boys and girls are little and they have a crush they express it far differently than when we are all grown up. Little boys will bring a warty old toad or a slimy worm to the object of their affections, and even toss it in the little girl’s face, thereby ensuring a scream and retribution. A little girl will see the boy she has a crush on and punch him in the arm or clobber him with a book at school, just to get his attention.

The same principle applies here. Though these immature little maggots cannot express themselves properly what they are trying to say is that you are a favorite among their noxious kind and without you their lives would have no meaning. Congratulations! You have arrived.

Then why do I often feel like shit about it?

 

[Stella_Omega]

Then why do I often feel like shit about it?

Because you're too good for this evil town.

 

[AchtungNight]

Stella- Considering the evil town in question (www.C-S-S-A.com, where I got far more trolls than Lit) has hypocritically banned me for something my stories did not do, while my stories got high ratings and good feedback here and in other places (stargazerz, adultfanfiction.net), I am inclined to agree with you. Still, though, I remain far too stressed out to resume writing. Oh well, I'm giving it time and hoping to eventually come up with a new and better idea that works. Perhaps for something not celebrity-related- most of my favorite stories are in other categories after all. We'll see.

 

[SweetWitch]

Then why do I often feel like shit about it?

Aw, honey... don't be sad...

As one of my readers recently told me, "'non illegitimus tatum carborundum.' Freely translated, 'don't let the bastards get you down.'" They ain't worth it.

 

[AchtungNight]

Aw, honey... don't be sad...

As one of my readers recently told me, "'non illegitimus tatum carborundum.' Freely translated, 'don't let the bastards get you down.'" They ain't worth it.

Yeah, I know. Oh well, I'll keep doing my best to iron out the stress. Let us never mention it again.

 

[SweetWitch]

Yeah, I know. Oh well, I'll keep doing my best to iron out the stress. Let us never mention it again.

Recipe for removing stress:

Take one straw-filled dummy

Suspend with rope tied around neck of dummy

Pin sign to front of dummy with the words "LIT TROLL" written on it

Douse with 1 liter gasoline or other flamable liquid

Strike match and set flame to foot of dummy

Dance nude around flaming dummy chanting "Death to all Trolls"

Find a long stick

Use stick to roast wienies over Troll flames

Bon Apetit

Stress all gone.....

 

[Oblimo]

Aw, Hell. My latest submission lasted 4 days at #1 and the troll who does not like there to be too many 5.00s on the Top List waited until I had company and just clicked on all of us and voted 1. Jesus, fella, a 3 or 4 would've done the same thing.

If I manage to get to 10 votes with a 5.0 ever again, is it in my best interest to vote myself a 4 to get me out the Righteous Troll's sights? Is it kosher to vote for yourself down?

 

[CharleyH]

Ok, I don't get it, why do people get so angry about the stories I wrote when there is gay sex invovled but it was mis-labelled when I submitted it?

Also, why do they get so pissed off just from the fact that this is an erotic literature website?

I had one gay guy from India pissed off at me because I labelled one of my stories as "group sex" instead of Gay Male where there was both gay and lesbian stuff going on.

Oh and also, why do some people not understand that some of these stories are fictional? I wrote one about phone sex and a person was bashing on me about being loyal...I don't get it.

I'm not expecting anyone to answer, I just want to know if anyone else gets this kind of crap from these so called "critics"?

Perhaps your stories suck and are poorly written? As a chick? I wrote a story under gay and never got a bad word about it. What do you think? Why would people write poorly in feedback to you?

 

[Joesephus]

Let me see if I can address this seriousely...

So what are the rules for the LW category? I went to see what all the fuss was about one day and the top two stories both had disclaimers that they contained no sex. I tried to read the next couple and they seemed very ordinary - then she sucked this and I fucked that - and I didn't manage to follow them all the way through. What is so special about this category? I'm dying to try now.

I've written 5 LW stories. Three of those have an "H" the highest currently has a 4.77 with 192 votes. The two that don't have an "H" carry a 4.48 and a 4.38. All these story have between 14,600 and 34,600 downloads and 118 (also lowest score) and 300 votes.

I think there are two groups there. The one is in pain because of a cheating spouse, or a court system that is unfair to men. The other, larger but less vocal, group doesn't have strong feeling about cheating but is more critical than in other categories.

If you write a good story with swinging you probably won't get dinged. If you write a cuckold story, you will but I've seen some get a good score if they were well done.

Where you'll get murdered is if you write a story where the cheating wife wins. My highest ranked story in LW has the husband taking back a cheating wife. My lowest ranked has him getting ready to divorce her. (It's also probably my poorest written story.)

What I do think works well is where the cheating wife changes and proves her love for the injured spouse. It has to be well done but basically those stories are romance stories. They have to be love stories but sex isn't very important... love is.

The other story that will get high marks is a balanced revenge story. Go too far or over the top and you won't get the score.

No matter what you write you will get one of two negatives, but you'll also get a ton of thoughtful comments not only on your writing, but detailed insight into your characters.

I don't know about you, but having someone take the time to look for flaws in the way I've presented my characters is the sort of feedback I'd pay for.

My latest, story has 38 PC and an even large number of emails and it's only been up 5 days. It has 300+ votes and a score of 3.6 (when you get that many votes troll's 1s still hurt but not that much) It also had 30,000+ downloads in the first 48 hours.
These folks are not the mindless jerks I so often seen them being portrayed, but there are a lot of them who are much more concerned with the plot and character development and morality (but not religious morality) than with the sex.

It does make it a very difficult category for the unwary, but a very rewarding one for those who are prepared for it.

I hope this helps.

 

[SweetWitch]

I've written 5 LW stories. Three of those have an "H" the highest currently has a 4.77 with 192 votes. The two that don't have an "H" carry a 4.48 and a 4.38. All these story have between 14,600 and 34,600 downloads and 118 (also lowest score) and 300 votes.

I think there are two groups there. The one is in pain because of a cheating spouse, or a court system that is unfair to men. The other, larger but less vocal, group doesn't have strong feeling about cheating but is more critical than in other categories.

If you write a good story with swinging you probably won't get dinged. If you write a cuckold story, you will but I've seen some get a good score if they were well done.

Where you'll get murdered is if you write a story where the cheating wife wins. My highest ranked story in LW has the husband taking back a cheating wife. My lowest ranked has him getting ready to divorce her. (It's also probably my poorest written story.)

What I do think works well is where the cheating wife changes and proves her love for the injured spouse. It has to be well done but basically those stories are romance stories. They have to be love stories but sex isn't very important... love is.

The other story that will get high marks is a balanced revenge story. Go too far or over the top and you won't get the score.

No matter what you write you will get one of two negatives, but you'll also get a ton of thoughtful comments not only on your writing, but detailed insight into your characters.

I don't know about you, but having someone take the time to look for flaws in the way I've presented my characters is the sort of feedback I'd pay for.

My latest, story has 38 PC and an even large number of emails and it's only been up 5 days. It has 300+ votes and a score of 3.6 (when you get that many votes troll's 1s still hurt but not that much) It also had 30,000+ downloads in the first 48 hours.
These folks are not the mindless jerks I so often seen them being portrayed, but there are a lot of them who are much more concerned with the plot and character development and morality (but not religious morality) than with the sex.

It does make it a very difficult category for the unwary, but a very rewarding one for those who are prepared for it.

I hope this helps.

I'm thinking mine went too far over the top because it got bashed all to hell. The thing raised quite a stir when it came out a couple of weeks ago--very dark story about the consequences of a failed marriage. I was called some very foul names and even got a couple of death threats. The score has recently risen to a 4.12 with 14972 downloads and 157 votes. My next lowest score is 4.48 and everything else is labeled with "H".

Oops, just checked--I just got 1-bombed again. Now I have two with scores less than 4.5

So I think you are right. If you go over the top with the revenge stuff it tends to tick people off. But sometimes I think they need to be reminded that the world is not all moonlight and magnolias.

 

[BreeCarter]

Ok, I don't get it, why do people get so angry about the stories I wrote when there is gay sex invovled but it was mis-labelled when I submitted it?

Also, why do they get so pissed off just from the fact that this is an erotic literature website?

I had one gay guy from India pissed off at me because I labelled one of my stories as "group sex" instead of Gay Male where there was both gay and lesbian stuff going on.

Oh and also, why do some people not understand that some of these stories are fictional? I wrote one about phone sex and a person was bashing on me about being loyal...I don't get it.

I'm not expecting anyone to answer, I just want to know if anyone else gets this kind of crap from these so called "critics"?

haha. wow. seriously, i'd just tell them to fuck off. basically it's because there are a lot of ignorant stupid people in this world, who simply thrive on being assholes. i've encountered many just on here let alone in real life. unfortunately, it's illegal to murder.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

At the risk of a plugging a story, I have experimented with LW recently and fully expected to be trolled. Why? Because the wife's extramarital trysts are all daydreams, not actual fucking. She never goes through with it. I put it in Loving Wives, partly because I think that the description is nebulous enough to include it. It is also partly because the woman is rather wilder and more adventurous in her sexual attitudes than her husband, at least at first. However, I know that many people will bash and one-bomb it, because the wife remains faithful to her husband. Pardon me, but isn't that more "loving" than infidelity (I don't count swinging as infidelity, since it's my own lifestyle and is based on honesty and fairness)? It's the next 2 chapters of "Stacey's Daydreams".

 

[S-Des]

At the risk of a plugging a story, I have experimented with LW recently and fully expected to be trolled. Why? Because the wife's extramarital trysts are all daydreams, not actual fucking. She never goes through with it. I put it in Loving Wives, partly because I think that the description is nebulous enough to include it. It is also partly because the woman is rather wilder and more adventurous in her sexual attitudes than her husband, at least at first. However, I know that many people will bash and one-bomb it, because the wife remains faithful to her husband. Pardon me, but isn't that more "loving" than infidelity (I don't count swinging as infidelity, since it's my own lifestyle and is based on honesty and fairness)? It's the next 2 chapters of "Stacey's Daydreams".

Whether it's loving or not is beside the point Sev. If I read it and feel tricked (as I have in several stories) I will not rate it as highly (unless I feel like you did it honestly and cleverly). Joesephus is 100% right. I would venture to guess I've read more LW stories than anyone else on the board. Each of my three stories are on the top list (at least one chapter) and one has all three chapter there. It's not a secret or a trick how to do it. If you are going to make a claim, you just have to give the reader a good reason to buy into it. Too many authors just say, "Accept it," which will get you creamed by the critics. Some of them are unfair, but I'd say overall, most of the comments on my stories have been pretty good. Like Joesephus, I'd much rather have someone give me an honest critique of my story (even if it earns m a 3 or 4) than have everyone pat me on the back and tell me how great I am.

BTW, over the top revenge works, but it's tricky. My blackmail story has 4 murders, 3 men landing in the insane assylum, 1 confessing to the police because he believes he's about to die, and 1 turned against the others. I doubt it gets much more over the top than that.

 

[Joesephus]

LW is a market...

If you understand that market, you can win it. Some writers, Longhorn__07 comes to mind, get incredibly high score in LW. However, if you read his stories you'll find, a great story very well told, characters you care about, and deep emotions dealt with in a realistic fashion.

Swinging is not cheating, although one or two of the fringe might make a comment or two, it won't cause a stir. However, whether the cheating is real or not, you need to show the consequences. That's what is different about LW. Many of the folks there have seen the painful consequences of broken relationships. It's not very friendly to fantasy. Broken trust is far more important that an exchange of body fluids.

One highly rated story has the couple getting back together after the wife spent 25+ years cheating with another man. However, that the man was also a serial cheater. The story was very real in the way the characters reacted and the audience loved it.

Look, if you toss a violent rape story into the "letters" section you'll get creamed. A first time write did that a day or so ago and it's too bad. The same is true of LW, if you post a story that caters to that market you'll be rewarded, if you don't... you won't.

As for "ignorant jerks" I think you'll find that there are more than a few mental health pros who read that section. I know I've been taken to task on technical details of my therapist. Some might get mad about that, I take it as the type of critique I couldn't afford to pay for.

 

[Joesephus]

Oh and one more thing...

If you write a LW story that gains an audience, it will follow you to other sections. If you're posting a one time thing, it might be a good idea to warn the folks that this is different from your other stories.