Every story I post gets 1 star’d

[SimonDoom]

I agree.

Where that wouldn't work as well is when a contest has stories from different categories.

It would work better than the system we have now, because with the system we have now scores from different categories are totally incommensurate with each other. A 4.8 from LW cannot be compared to a 4.8 in Romance. The system we have now favors categories where scoring is gentler.

And, from the reader's point of view, it would be fine. It's only from the author's point of view that this system would create gripes, because authors have biases about which categories are better than others. And, as we know, the author's point of view is not what drives what this site does.

 

[TheExperimentalist]

Maybe we should be given a menu of emojis to make our views known and dispense with all the words.

Wait, wait, wait, BETTER idea: What if each forum post had the option to rate it, say, from 1 to 5. And then any post the system metrics deemed 'great' (i.e. any post averaging above a 4.5, though maybe with a minimum vote count to ensure an adequate sample size... say... 10 votes minimum?) got a little blue circle with a 'G' in it?

Oh... wait... hang on...

 

[Writer61]

It would work better than the system we have now, because with the system we have now scores from different categories are totally incommensurate with each other. A 4.8 from LW cannot be compared to a 4.8 in Romance. The system we have now favors categories where scoring is gentler.

And, from the reader's point of view, it would be fine. It's only from the author's point of view that this system would create gripes, because authors have biases about which categories are better than others. And, as we know, the author's point of view is not what drives what this site does.

I agree.

But, I do not expect any change.

 

[Writer61]

We have one, but it only has six options. You know, the one that appears when you hover over "like" at the bottom of each comment?

We are talking about rating stories, not forum posts.

 

[YmaOHyd]

It would work better than the system we have now, because with the system we have now scores from different categories are totally incommensurate with each other. A 4.8 from LW cannot be compared to a 4.8 in Romance. The system we have now favors categories where scoring is gentler.

I don't think this is a scoring problem, it's a Loving Wives problem specifically, and the easiest fix is to break that category up so consensual swinging isn't sharing a roof with non-erotic revenge-murder fantasies.

 

[TheExperimentalist]

We are talking about rating stories, not forum posts.

The comment I was replying to was actually a joke about having emoji so as not to keep repeating the conversations that happen over and over on the forum. It was a side tangent from the main discussion.

 

[SimonDoom]

I agree.

But, I do not expect any change.

This is something I think, and would hope, that we can all agree on.

 

[lovecraft68]

non-erotic revenge-murder fantasies.

The answer is to either no longer allow those stories in an erotic category and keep kicking them back until they get the hint

Or move them to non erotic. Issue there is anywhere you move them that category will then be under siege by these shit stains.

But the former would be ideal seeing there's a case to be made many break the 'rules' here.

Splitting the category means Lit let a group of nasty incel woman haters dictate what is allowed in that category. Its bad enough they have driven a lot of people off, they don't need the site caving to them

Those stories are written by trash for trash and don't belong in any category here. They make Non con authors look like feminists.

Speaking as we have about bombs this post just earned some from the spineless ghosters of that dumpster fire of a sub category.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

I think you'd have to do it within categories, and let readers know that's what you're doing. Then the red H would provide useful information and add value beyond the number itself. The reader would know that a story is in the top 25%, or whatever, of Lesbian Sex stories, and could use that information if they choose.

I can see some real advantages if it was category based percentile rather than site wide. It would level the playing field between categories like LW and ones where the voters tend to be exceptionally generous like LS.

 

[IWroteThis]

The answer is to either no longer allow those stories in an erotic category and keep kicking them back until they get the hint

Or move them to non erotic. Issue there is anywhere you move them that category will then be under siege by these shit stains.

But the former would be ideal seeing there's a case to be made many break the 'rules' here.

Splitting the category means Lit let a group of nasty incel woman haters dictate what is allowed in that category. Its bad enough they have driven a lot of people off, they don't need the site caving to them

Those stories are written by trash for trash and don't belong in any category here. They make Non con authors look like feminists.

Speaking as we have about bombs this post just earned some from the spineless ghosters of that dumpster fire of a sub category.

Yes, Heaven forbid that man-haters have any competition in the violence and abuse arena!

Your hypocrisy is showing (again)...

 

[JuanSeiszFitzHall]

How do you go about reporting this? I’ve seen some weird changes on one of my older stories lately.

I don't think this has been answered in this thread. Open your story, scroll to the bottom of the page, and look for a small, gray word 'report,' maybe on the right side below the text block. Click that, select 'Other,' and then write in the dialog box that you think the story has had some votes lately that might be invalid.

 

[lovecraft68]

Yes, Heaven forbid that man-haters have any competition in the violence and abuse arena!

Your hypocrisy is showing (again)...

Perfectly timed comment, thank you.

Now link the stories I have here with violence against men(I'll help, there's one that's borderline its just hardcore BDSM) . I mean violence, not some humiliation and or a 'men suck' rant.

There are far, and I mean far, more stories of male violence against women on this site as well as -because I know this will be next-instances of women's acts of domestic violence compared to what men do.

How many Non con stories are men raping women opposed to the other way around

How many BDSM stories are male dom to female dom-answer far less than ever because whiny men have driven many femdom authors to fetish

Mind control -women being controlled-and raped because there is zero consent in MC-compared to men

How many burn the bitch compared to burn the bastard?

Why? Because far more men have fantasies of 'putting it to the bitch" then women feeling that way.

But all the things I mentioned other than BTB are valid erotic fantasies, not for everyone, but there is a sexual fantasy behind all of them and that's what this site is for.

But BTB stories are not erotica, the draw to them is hatred, revenge and violence and none of those are erotic kinks, they're disturbing behavior and you can't kink shame when at the end of the day violence is not a kink.

Women also seem to be able to deal with all this fictional celebration of fantasy fueled misogyny because they're not so weak that they need to cry about that. But write something about a heroic virtuous man being slighted by an evil woman and you have an entire category of squealing.

Those are facts, not opinion. Its a sad nature of this type of site.

But to turn your comment around. "God forbid there be any stories where a fictional woman cheats on a fictional man and doesn't get raped, beaten or tortured for it because my cold male insecurity can't handle it reeeeeeeee.

I'm not a hypocrite at all because I openly admit to hating a certain type of 'man' while people like yourself refuse to admit what drives those stories and a sad number of other content on this site.

In the end I enjoy reversing what men think its okay to do and seeing them cry about it.

The level of male victimhood here and in real life is pathetic, I'm sure their fathers are proud.

 

[Bramblethorn]

It would work better than the system we have now, because with the system we have now scores from different categories are totally incommensurate with each other. A 4.8 from LW cannot be compared to a 4.8 in Romance. The system we have now favors categories where scoring is gentler.

I think comparing on percentiles is probably better than raw scores, but it's not open-and-shut. Both have their disadvantages.

There are several things that might result in a discrepancy between typical scores in Category X and Category Y, e.g.:

• Maybe the readers in X are tougher than the readers in Y.
• Maybe category Y tends to attract longer stories than category X, and there's pretty good reason to believe that long stories have an advantage in scoring.
• Maybe category Y just tends to attract better stories than category X, for whatever reason.

Ideally we'd be comparing stories by some measure that's only affected by story quality (however one defines that), not by these other two factors.

Comparing on percentile-within-category largely eliminates biases caused by differences in readership. That's good. (I say "largely" because categories aren't everything; e.g. BTB and RAAC stories within LW may get handled very differently and there's a tough philosophical question here about what constitutes good/bad quality vs. just popular/unpopular subgenres.)

It would partly compensate for story-length effects (good), but in a crude way that doesn't factor in the length of an individual story, and where a story isn't typical for its category it could exacerbate these effects (bad). (Say we have a 5'6" male basketballer and a 6'3" female basketballer, both of whom make 50% of their shots. Which is more impressive? This approach would say: on average women are shorter than men, so it's harder for them to make a shot, so the woman's performance is more impressive - even though she actually has a height advantage on this particular guy.)

And it eliminates score differences that are due to actual quality differences between categories (bad). It's essentially assuming that every category attracts the exact same quality of stories as other categories, and I'm not sure that's a good assumption.

Overall, I suspect that the reader effects are strong enough that comparing on percentile-in-category is better than raw scores, but it's still a long way from perfect.

There are more complicated approaches that would make a stats nerd happy - one can fit a model that incorporates all the factors we believe to affect scores, and look at the behaviour of people who read or publish across multiple categories to help separate out category biases from other factors - but complexity is a big negative in itself. I'm still not convinced having scores at all is a net good here.

 

[lovecraft68]

It's essentially assuming that every category attracts the exact same quality of stories as other categories, and I'm not sure that's a good assumption.

So in your opinion what are some of the higher/lower quality categories?

 

[pink_silk_glove]

I agree.

Where that wouldn't work as well is when a contest has stories from different categories.

Red H has nothing to do with contests. The scores as they are are already affected by categories. If you want to win the Valentine's contest don't submit to LW, for instance. Changes to the Red H won't affect that.

 

[IWroteThis]

Perfectly timed comment, thank you.

Now link the stories I have here with violence against men(I'll help, there's one that's borderline its just hardcore BDSM) . I mean violence, not some humiliation and or a 'men suck' rant.

There are far, and I mean far, more stories of male violence against women on this site as well as -because I know this will be next-instances of women's acts of domestic violence compared to what men do.

How many Non con stories are men raping women opposed to the other way around

How many BDSM stories are male dom to female dom-answer far less than ever because whiny men have driven many femdom authors to fetish

Mind control -women being controlled-and raped because there is zero consent in MC-compared to men

How many burn the bitch compared to burn the bastard?

Why? Because far more men have fantasies of 'putting it to the bitch" then women feeling that way.

No, that's not why.

What might be your biggest problem is expecting Literotica to be a representative microcosm of the population. Sorry, but that's not the case.

While every segment of the population might be represented, it's not actually representative sample of the population. The male to female ratio of both authors and readers is highly skewed towards male. Thus, it's natural that the stories posted here are going to be more heavily skewed towards male perspectives and outcomes.

So, your conclusions are faulty, because they are based on faulty assumptions.

But all the things I mentioned other than BTB are valid erotic fantasies, not for everyone, but there is a sexual fantasy behind all of them and that's what this site is for.

In your ignorant opinion, sure. In reality, no.

If there's one thing the Fetish category should have taught us, it's that a person can find anything erotic, as long as they find it erotic. It doesn't have to be erotic to anybody else, as eroticism is an personal label.

But BTB stories are not erotica, the draw to them is hatred, revenge and violence and none of those are erotic kinks, they're disturbing behavior and you can't kink shame when at the end of the day violence is not a kink.

So, you agree that a lot of BDSM is not erotic? You agree that FemDom is not erotic, as the draw is hatred, revenge, and violence?

Women also seem to be able to deal with all this fictional celebration of fantasy fueled misogyny because they're not so weak that they need to cry about that. But write something about a heroic virtuous man being slighted by an evil woman and you have an entire category of squealing.

Once again, you seem to be drawing faulty conclusions based on a non-representative sample. Actually, you might just be pulling that out of your ass, as I don't even see any support for it within the confines of Literotica.

Those are facts, not opinion. Its a sad nature of this type of site.

Actually, they are not really either. They're more accurately described as faulty interpretations.

But to turn your comment around. "God forbid there be any stories where a fictional woman cheats on a fictional man and doesn't get raped, beaten or tortured for it because my cold male insecurity can't handle it reeeeeeeee.

While that does happen on the extreme side of the BTB range, it's far from definitive of BTB. Even BTB enthusiasts tend to call out those extreme cases, favoring more fitting punishments.

That said, apparently God doesn't forbid, as there is a matching extreme on the RAAC end of the spectrum who demand and cheer for the husband to be raped, beaten, and tortured, so you don't really have any high ground here.

I'm not a hypocrite at all because I openly admit to hating a certain type of 'man' while people like yourself refuse to admit what drives those stories and a sad number of other content on this site.

That doesn't stop you from being a hypocrite. Sorry!

Actually, I've discussed in multiple threads in AH about what drives those stories. The only thing I refuse to do is be as ignorant as you on the subject.

You are correct that BTB stories have a lot in common with other stories. You're just willfully ignorant about how many of those are ones you defend.

In the end I enjoy reversing what men think its okay to do and seeing them cry about it.

At least you're honest about being a troll.

The sad truth is that much of the BTB genre stems from pushback to what happens in the real world. Much like fiction is intended to do, it allows for a break from reality, providing a place where the good guy doesn't have to finish last.

The level of male victimhood here and in real life is pathetic, I'm sure their fathers are proud.

Yes, it is pathetic, but not in the way you believe.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

In your ignorant opinion, sure. In reality, no.

If there's one thing the Fetish category should have taught us, it's that a person can find anything erotic, as long as they find it erotic. It doesn't have to be erotic to anybody else, as eroticism is an personal label.

But the BtB crowd don't find these stories erotic. I don't read many of these but I've never read one that was erotic. In fact, these stories are often completely devoid of any kind of emotion whatsoever.

1 ~ Hrmm, some curious evidence. Is my wife cheating on me?
2 ~ Hire a PI who collects the cold hard truth, yes she is having an affair.
3 ~ Hrm, interesting (no tears).
4 ~ Takes action (either with a lawyer or with violence).
5 ~ Man conveniently wins (usually with the aid of some serendipitous luck), wife left destitute or shamed or dead, man gets the house the bank acct etc.
6 ~ Man: "hrmm, that worked out well." (shrug)

Where is the eroticism? Who is turned on by these events? Sometimes there isn't even a single sex scene.

And the disturbing part is the lack of emotion. Man is blindsided by infidelity, his life supposedly turned upside down, but he takes it all in stride, "an affair? Hrmm, inetresting. I guess I'll just hire a detective and a lawyer and the love of my life will be in utter ruin. (shrug)." There's no soul searching, no inner turmoil. No hope that the PI proves her innocent. Just cold heartless justice. Regardless of gender, that's fucked up.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

That said, apparently God doesn't forbid, as there is a matching extreme on the RAAC end of the spectrum who demand and cheer for the husband to be raped, beaten, and tortured, so you don't really have any high ground here.

Is there? I'm not aware of that. RaaC is a happy ending, isn't it?

 

[MillieDynamite]

Watch out, the one-star one-bombs are flying, and you'll get cut by one of them.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

So in your opinion what are some of the higher/lower quality categories?

We all know that it's easy to score in Romance.

Lesbian tends to score higher, no? (probably because template romance is so popular there)

BDSM is difficult because there are so many opinions on how BDSM should work and those opinions can be very adamant, so any story published there is bound (heh) to piss someone off.

8letters has specific stat breakdowns on how all of the categories score.

 

[lovecraft68]

We all know that it's easy to score in Romance.

Lesbian tends to score higher, no? (probably because template romance is so popular there)

BDSM is difficult because there are so many opinions on how BDSM should work and those opinions can be very adamant, so any story published there is bound (heh) to piss someone off.

8letters has specific stat breakdowns on how all of the categories score.

True, but the statement was 'quality' not how they score. 'Quality' is this buzzword people like to use with no real proof other than opinion.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

So in your opinion what are some of the higher/lower quality categories?

Out of the categories I know well, I'd say that the Fantasy&SciFi category is of overall better quality in my opinion. Authors tend to heavily focus on the story there. And for a similar reason, I'd say that Fetish is a lower quality category in general because authors tend to heavily focus on kinks rather than coherent storytelling.

BDSM varies a lot. The Lesbian Sex category has decent writing quality overall, but it kinda favors certain formulaic tropes, so I don't rate the storytelling there highly.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

True, but the statement was 'quality' not how they score. 'Quality' is this buzzword people like to use with no real proof other than opinion.

Sorry, I thought that the question pertained to how categories affect score in regards to contests. As we know, in a contest (such as Valentine's or Summer Love or Hallowe'en) all submissions, regardless of category, compete against one another. So if you publish your contest entry in Romance, you have an advantage over any and all stories published to BDSM because it is inherently easier to score higher in Romance than in BDSM. This is no secret.

 

[MillieDynamite]

But, but, but, see, @AwkwardlySet, I write both. Though while I write fetish, I don't post there.

Out of the categories I know well, I'd say that the Fantasy&SciFi category is of overall better quality in my opinion. Authors tend to heavily focus on the story there. And for a similar reason, I'd say that Fetish is a lower quality category in general because authors tend to heavily focus on kinks rather than coherent storytelling.

BDSM varies a lot. The Lesbian Sex category has decent writing quality overall, but it kinda favors certain formulaic tropes, so I don't rate the storytelling there highly.

 

[old_prof]

So in your opinion what are some of the higher/lower quality categories?

In my personal opinion, I think LS has notably higher quality writing than any other category I have read here (maybe 10 of them). I think the scores actually reflect that more than they are inflated. They also have, on average longer stories, which I think correlates to both higher quality and higher ratings.

From my very limited experience, I think T/I has the worst writing. I will say I think the slop I threw up there as an experiement would have gotten nearly a half point lower in any other category I post in. It is by far the worst story I have written. And I don't say that because I didn't like the kink. It;s what you get when you spend a couple of hours on a story total (between 3 and 4). From my experience, you just have to let mommy sit in his lap and you're guaranteed 10K views and a red H. Nothing else matters.