Every story I post gets 1 star’d

[lovecraft68]

So we agree 100%. Write a template harlequin for a score, but write an incest stroke for a wide audience. Or something thereabouts.

You can also get a lot of attention in LW its just not always the attention one would want, but you'll see high views and comments.

 

[SimonDoom]

So in your opinion what are some of the higher/lower quality categories?

I'm somewhat agnostic on this question, and generally skeptical of claims that one category has better written stories than another. I'm not sure I've read enough stories of every category to render an opinion with any certainty, but I've read widely enough that this is how I feel.

Some people think "quality" means a more romantic angle, more character depth, more subtlety in the relationship. For me, that's just one type of quality. A story that leans more into the kinkiness of an erotic experience, and less into subtleties of character or relationships, can be quality, too, depending on how it's done. For some people (like me, often), that's more the type of erotic story they're looking for.

 

[IWroteThis]

No, a reconciliation is good for both parties, at least from a storytelling perspective.

Yes, but RAAC is not actually reconciliation. It's a misnomer, much like the Loving Wives category name. The whole point of RAAC is that they stay together without any reconciliation. It's a surrender. It's the old "cheaper to keep her," so no change (reconciliation) happens.

And BtB stories are largely non-erotic. Like I said, I've never seen anything remotely erotic in the few that I've read.

At least your honest enough to admit that you aren't qualified to make the judgement you made.

And, like I said, there's a lot on here that I would define as non-erotic, but others claim it is.

I am the first to admit that most stories here lack emotional content. That's not to say that emotional things never happen, but more that the author lacks the ability (or the desire) to emphasize that emotion onto the page. In BtB stories, I'm not talking about an emotional story that the author emoted poorly. I'm talking about a completely heartless, clinical main hero character, bordering on, if not outright psychotic.

So, based on a small sample size, you're calling out BTB stories, claiming they all do do the same thing that other stories do. Got it.

 

[TheRedChamber]

There are some categories where I can quickly name one or more authors that I think are excellent. There are also some categories where I cant, even though I regularly read those categories and enjoy them. I've said before that I'm capable of enjoying some objectively badly written stories as long as the authors 'enthusiasm' for there kink manages to shine through somehow.

I think all of the categories have their stereotypical (and often laughable executed) rote story templates - Sisters seducing brothers, sissies trying on underwear for the first time, a million black cocks, each one bigger than the last and 'You tremble awaiting Her orders'. I.knew when I read the question that someone was going to nominate Lesbian as the best written category - it probably is but that doesnt mean that I didn't read a generally very solid story there a while back, get 1000 of 12,000 words in an predict every beat of the 'damaged people' slow burn romance.

For what its worth, my LW story was published today and starting with a 1, a 5 and then a 1 and a 2, I've been having great fun watching it climb over the 3.00 mark. The funny thing is that, of the 9 LW stories published today, it's been consistenly in 3rd or 4th best place all day. 1st is by an established LW H winner and 2nd is a low view later chapter of a series. I've had three comments - one saying the wife didnt go far enough, one berating the wife for how far she did go and one saying it's all 'true to life' Which was kind of my intention.

In summary 3-0 is a low score for a basketball game but a high one for a soccer match.

 

[IWroteThis]

The problem with reconciliation stories isn't the story itself, its the hate filled lunatics that lose their mind if an author chooses to write a story where the husband decides to forgive-or accept-the wife cheated (because it is rarely, if ever the husband because in LW husbands are virtuous saints) then that story's comment section is filled with enraged men screaming that a -again fictional-man put up with fictional cheating. Some of them are outright unhinged.

Actually, the problem with a lot of reconciliation stories is that the authors drag them out forever so that readers will be willing to accept any ending, just to have it end. You can often tell just by the number of pages that a story is going to end in a bad reconciliation or RAAC.

I personally enjoy a good reconciliation story. Unfortunately, they are rather uncommon in Loving Wives.

This is regardless of how the much effort the author puts in to the story to be an actual story.

Of course! Readers don't read stories to be impressed by effort. They read stories to be impressed by results. Content is king, and for good reason.

The BTB crowd cheers because apparently a man winning in a divorce can get them aroused (sorry, there's some issues there) but the Raac stories are torched to no end.

Wait a minute. Before, you said BTB was non-erotic...

It's also kind of hypocritical for you to complain about people attacking RAAC stories while attacking BTB stories yourself.

Best example of that crowd is that sickening February Sucks schtick here. Guy writes a story where the husband reconciles with the wife who cheated and readers became so angry that some of them rewrote the guys story with how it should have ended and most of them turn into BTB stories.

Deny it all you want, but the reason that February Sucks is rewritten so much is that the story sucks more than February. In fact, it sucks to the point that everybody and their dog truly believes they could do it better.

It started out with a great premise, then went stupid. LW was horribly written character and the flip-side with Jim almost leaving with Ellen (or whatever her name was) was horribly unrealistic and also poorly written. I won't get into a full analysis of how GeorgeAnderson managed to pull off an open-field fumble, but I will mention it's another of those overly-long-to-sell-a-bad-reconciliation stories.

Sorry, but all evidence shows that the fault lies with the author, not the readers nor rewriters.

Imagine being such an angry little person you need to rewrite a story because you didn't like the ending? How obsessed with anti-make believe woman-justice are you?

Imagine being such an angry little man-hater... Oh, wait, you don't have to imagine. Carry on!

Worst is the author of the story vanished for a while and didn't respond to the couple of people decent enough to ask permission to use his story so...a bunch of them just went ahead and did it, so add stealing to being a tiny angry little person.

Now you're just conflating two different issues to try and win an argument that you know you've already lost. There are multiple threads in AH about writers wanting to do just that, not to mention multiple cases of it actually happening, and it's not restricted to Loving Wives stories.

The author eventually came back and saw what was going on but said whatever and gave blanket permission to just keep rewriting his story to various degrees of BTB level because again, no pretend woman will ever win when there are such manly men over there in LW. Just look at all the stolen content that keeps popping up on YT, its exclusively BTB stories. Lot of angry 'men' out there.

However, not all of those stories are BTB. Some are more severe RAAC, some are actual reconciliation, some of them are simple DTB or LWL stories, and, yes, some are BTB.

As for the content about YouTube, if you're only seeing BTB stories, I can't help but think of a certain quote from Hamlet: "Methinks the lady doth protest too much." There is a lot more stolen content out there than BTB stories.

Except in my stories

FWIW if anyone denies the original wave of FS stories were written without permission that information was posted in the feedback forum by blackrandl1958 who was the editor and good friend of the author, she posted it to point out someone here on their horse about plagiarism was one of the people who wrote theirs without permission and she wanted everyone to know the real story.

I don't deny that, as I'm well aware of the fact. I simply recognize that it's irrelevant to the topic at hand.

People can also look up my old thread about how Lit is the only place that harbors/tolerates this type because its free and allows anon.

Or, they could look up that kind of content on other sites and see that you're full of shit.

(Not) sorry to spoil your ignorant rant, but you can find BTB stories on multiple sites other than Lit. Also, by your own admission, you can find pirated copies of them on YouTube...

 

[pink_silk_glove]

At least your honest enough to admit that you aren't qualified to make the judgement you made.

Oh fuck off.

 

[IWroteThis]

Oh fuck off.

You first. I simply repeated what you said with slightly different wording.

 

[YmaOHyd]

Far as I know there's only one story on Literotica that's been endorsed by a bestselling author, so maybe that means Non-Human is the best category.

 

[alohadave]

I've said before that I'm capable of enjoying some objectively badly written stories as long as the authors 'enthusiasm' for there kink manages to shine through somehow.

Some people are good storytellers even if the writing isn't very good.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I'm of the opinion that quality is of the opinion of the reader.

The word is like a unicorn here; people say they've seen one but can't prove it other than their first hand account.

In this discussion I'm using "quality" to mean roughly "stuff that everybody agrees is good". And you're right that a lot of what people talk about as "quality" is just personal opinion. But I think there are a few things.

Nobody likes reading a story with spelling so bad that they have to stop and stare at the words trying to figure out what the author meant, or where "Alice" randomly becomes "Jane" partway through the story and then back to "Alice" because the author forgot what that character was called.

Basically, if you put two stories in front of a wide range of different readers and all of them liked A better than B, I'd be willing to call that "quality". But it's rare that it can be separated out from personal preferences.

 

[YmaOHyd]

First two sentences of two stories. They're both almost exactly the same length, and are accurate representations of the writing style of the full story.

Kimberly adjusted the veil in the mirror of her bridal suite, her hands trembling slightly. In a few hours, she'd walk down the aisle to marry Heath, the man who'd been her rock and going to be a great husband, provider, and dad one day.

After discovering my wife of 10 years was cheating on me I packed a couple of bags and hauled ass over to my brother's house where I've been staying for the past 3 months. My wife has called, texted, emailed several times a day apologizing for her behavior and saying that she broke it off with him immediately, and has also filed a formal complaint with HR for sexual harassment.

I have no issues saying the first one's a higher-quality work than the second one, purely on grammar and sentence construction. It's not perfect, but the second one's an unholy mess. The first one's rated under 3.0 by the notoriously soft graders in Romance; the second around 3.2 by the harsh critics in Loving Wives.

 

[lovecraft68]

In this discussion I'm using "quality" to mean roughly "stuff that everybody agrees is good". And you're right that a lot of what people talk about as "quality" is just personal opinion. But I think there are a few things.

Nobody likes reading a story with spelling so bad that they have to stop and stare at the words trying to figure out what the author meant, or where "Alice" randomly becomes "Jane" partway through the story and then back to "Alice" because the author forgot what that character was called.

Basically, if you put two stories in front of a wide range of different readers and all of them liked A better than B, I'd be willing to call that "quality". But it's rare that it can be separated out from personal preferences.

Your post reminds me of a mistake I made in my first year here. The woman's panties started out as red and later in the scene I screwed up and said they were black. I didn't realize it until someone commented

"Hey, where did Megan get the cool mood panties?"

I had no clue what they meant, skimmed the story and was like "Oh fuck, mood ring mood panties" guy must have been my age to even know what a mood ring was

 

[TheRedChamber]

First two sentences of two stories. They're both almost exactly the same length, and are accurate representations of the writing style of the full story.
I have no issues saying the first one's a higher-quality work than the second one, purely on grammar and sentence construction. It's not perfect, but the second one's an unholy mess. The first one's rated under 3.0 by the notoriously soft graders in Romance; the second around 3.2 by the harsh critics in Loving Wives.

Apologies if these are from your stories, but, I find it strange that you'd.say that the first is better when its the one.which contains a grammar mistake ('going to be' should be 'who was going to be'). Neither is great, but usually I give an author at leat a few paragraphs.to grab me and make some kind of promise as to why the story is going to be interesting. Neither is anywhere close to doing that and both need more 'show rather than tell' (no touching a veil isnt an acrive start)

 

[YmaOHyd]

Apologies if these are from your stories, but, I find it strange that you'd.say that the first is better when its the one.which contains a grammar mistake

They're both missing words.

 

[TheRedChamber]

They're both missing words.

Which word is the second example missing?

 

[lovecraft68]

First two sentences of two stories. They're both almost exactly the same length, and are accurate representations of the writing style of the full story.


I have no issues saying the first one's a higher-quality work than the second one, purely on grammar and sentence construction. It's not perfect, but the second one's an unholy mess. The first one's rated under 3.0 by the notoriously soft graders in Romance; the second around 3.2 by the harsh critics in Loving Wives.

I don't get into judging another's writing, but IMO the first one sounds like a valid opening line-and it already has that sappy hallmark tone for romance.

The second one just feels like its giving too much to early, like the author is "Yeah, the wife is awful but he left and..." Like they're in a rush to get to something else so you get a one line cliffnote version of 'what has gone before'

 

[YmaOHyd]

Which word is the second example missing?

"And." The final clause is also in the wrong tense.

I don't get into judging another's writing, but IMO the first one sounds like a valid opening line-and it already has that sappy hallmark tone for romance.

(And, to PSG's frequently-repeated point about how people just want their fetishes repeated back to them, the plot of that story is the bride-to-be having a bunch of flashbacks to her ex-boyfriend; it ends on a potential runaway-bride cliffhanger. Aaand that's why it's a 2.5 star story, and the one about the horrible cheating wife groveling in front of her manly masculine alpha husband is a 3.2 star story.)

 

[TheRedChamber]

"And." The final clause is also in the wrong tense.

Ah, okay, got it.