"Fifty Shades of Grey"

[thesweetsweetness]

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Fifty Shades of Chicken: A Parody in a Cookbook

My mom and I loved the books. Looks like I know what to get her for Christmas.

 

[lovecraft68]

I would say, be attentive, thoughtful and protective. Not to be confused with overbearing, crazy, and possessive.

Everything in moderation.

Christian does have an appeal. In my opinion, anyway.

Gray is over the top becuase James has no clue of what a "bad boy" is.

Seeing a couple of interviews with her, it occurred to me she is "Ana" she looks shy nervous almost socially inept and blushed like a child. Seeing she's 40+ and obsessed with Twilight she certainly does have an immature teen like mind. So for Ana she wrote what she knew.

She was hopelessly lost on Gray who comes across as an arrogant, petulant and not a master, but an abusive prick and Ana seemed more victim than sub.

I don't think it was James intention, I think she thought she was making him a "bad ass and cool" she missed badly.

 

[shewantsmore]

been reading this thread,ive seen the book advertised,might have to buy it and see for myself

 

[Stella_Omega]

been reading this thread,ive seen the book advertised,might have to buy it and see for myself

You can buy it fro one penny plus postage off of amazon used.

 

[shewantsmore]

You can buy it fro one penny plus postage off of amazon used.

your joking right,one penny,cant be that bad a book

 

[thesweetsweetness]

your joking right,one penny,cant be that bad a book

It's not bad in a lot of peoples opinion, including me. However, I think the majority of lit hates it. To each their own. It's just a fictional romance.

 

[thesweetsweetness]

Gray is over the top becuase James has no clue of what a "bad boy" is.

Seeing a couple of interviews with her, it occurred to me she is "Ana" she looks shy nervous almost socially inept and blushed like a child. Seeing she's 40+ and obsessed with Twilight she certainly does have an immature teen like mind. So for Ana she wrote what she knew.

She was hopelessly lost on Gray who comes across as an arrogant, petulant and not a master, but an abusive prick and Ana seemed more victim than sub.

I don't think it was James intention, I think she thought she was making him a "bad ass and cool" she missed badly.

Wouldn't the definition of "bad boy" be subjective? What appeals to one might not appeal to another.

And just for what it's worth, I see several similarities between myself and Anna. Maybe that's why I actually liked the series.

 

[Stella_Omega]

your joking right,one penny,cant be that bad a book

Actually, I just now checked and the bottom price is like six and a half dollars. Plus postage, you might as well buy it local.

But lots of really GOOD books go for 99¢ or a penny. Always check the used prices...

 

[Curious_in_Cali]

your joking right,one penny,cant be that bad a book

Well, you can get a copy of the Bible for free on amazon and that seems to be a pretty well received book.

 

[shewantsmore]

Well, you can get a copy of the Bible for free on amazon and that seems to be a pretty well received book.

never read that book either,think i will pass on that one

 

[Stella_Omega]

never read that book either,think i will pass on that one

wow, the bible and fifty shades have the same thing in common- I don't want to read any more of of either than I already have.

That's just in my world, of course. YMMV

 

[Sir_Winston54]

I think my brain just assploded. ABC did an article focusing on "Fifty Shades" and BDSM and actually got a lot of it right! (IMNSHO, of course.)

BDSM Advocates Worry About 'Fifty Shades of Grey' Sex

Robert Dunlap, a certified sex educator from California, gets three or four requests a day from couples expressing an interest in and even seeking coaching for the latest trend in kink -- BDSM, an overlapping acronym for bondage and discipline; dominance and submission; sadism and masochism.

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Devotees say that even though the popularity of the book "normalizes" what used to be a fringe sexual practice, they worry that a piece of fiction gives BDSM a "bad" name.

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"But if your audience is people who already are in a lifestyle or are being introduced to the lifestyle, it starts to give misinformation."

"It perpetuates the ongoing idea that people who do this are broken in some way," she said. "And this is not true."

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"'Fifty Shades' has been roundly criticized by the BDSM community and its depiction of the lifestyle is inaccurate," she wrote in an email to ABCNews.com. "Christian Grey's initial seduction of Anastasia breaks every rule in the BDSM book."

Quilliam said the relationship portrayed in the book is exploitive "on both sides and therefore emotionally unsafe and not sane."

The book views Christian Grey as dominant because of an abusive childhood, which practitioners claim is an "untrue reflection."

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"I was shocked at the popularity," said Dunlap. "People have become much more sophisticated about what they want to do. When I was a little boy my uncle said something to my aunt: 'You are going to get a spanking later.' Then, I thought, 'Oh my god, what did she do?' Now that I am older … "​

Just threw in some of the key points, and one hilarious graf. The entire article is, of course, linked through the headline above.

 

[Stella_Omega]

So I’ve seen about a bazillion dorky guys wearing their same old shitty rattyassed teeshirts and sneaks and they stuck grey paint chips all over themselves.

That’s supposed to be a halloween costume.

Do they even know why so many women bought the damn book? I have never seen so many guys reference something and so entirely ignore the gist of it.

 

[bhndblueyes88]

LOLS. for shits and giggles, I borrowed a copy of this book and while I admit I'm not even to the "good stuff" yet...I keep cracking up. This is basically just Adult Twilight with no vampires/werewolves, and it also reads like it could have come RIGHT out of the literotica databases...and not as one of the best pieces!!

I have no problem with people enjoying reading this for what it is...but it simultaneously infuriates me and sends me into fits of laughter that this is being praised so highly xD

 

[lovecraft68]

So I’ve seen about a bazillion dorky guys wearing their same old shitty rattyassed teeshirts and sneaks and they stuck grey paint chips all over themselves.

That’s supposed to be a halloween costume.

Do they even know why so many women bought the damn book? I have never seen so many guys reference something and so entirely ignore the gist of it.

Let me ask you, in your opinion, how many men do you think have read that book?

Personally I haven't run into one. I read maybe a dozen chapters throughout the three books and that's more than any other guy I know and I read it not for entertainment, but to see if it was as bad as advertised for certain reasons.

So it goes to show that men will generally put as little effort into anything as they possibly could.

Maybe they were looking for girls dressed as Ana. You know a girl walking around with a brainless smile and a sign that says "treat me like a hapless victim"

 

[thelovingsadist]

Let me ask you, in your opinion, how many men do you think have read that book?

I'm "reading" it, though at this point I don't really want to finish it.

But I will. Eventually. After all, "know thy enemy." That, and I think that after I've actually read the whole thing, I'll have every right to critique it however I want. But so far, it doesn't look like it'll be good critique.

 

[Scotsman69]

I read it, and I'm 100% male.

But then, as an aspiring writer, I'm a compulsive reader.

It was NOT the best-written best-seller I've come across. But it's not as bad as many in the bdsm community have claimed. What's wrong with the idea that a person's life-history helps to determine their sexual proclivities? To my mind that is a given. It's just a pity the author has no real link with any of the myriad aspects of the lifestyle.

Let me ask you, in your opinion, how many men do you think have read that book?

Personally I haven't run into one. I read maybe a dozen chapters throughout the three books and that's more than any other guy I know and I read it not for entertainment, but to see if it was as bad as advertised for certain reasons.

So it goes to show that men will generally put as little effort into anything as they possibly could.

Maybe they were looking for girls dressed as Ana. You know a girl walking around with a brainless smile and a sign that says "treat me like a hapless victim"

 

[lovecraft68]

I'm "reading" it, though at this point I don't really want to finish it.

But I will. Eventually. After all, "know thy enemy." That, and I think that after I've actually read the whole thing, I'll have every right to critique it however I want. But so far, it doesn't look like it'll be good critique.

I think one of the worst things I've heard involving this book wasn't so much about the book itself, but very telling of a lot of the people reading it.

I was at a family function a coupel months back and my wife's cousin brings up shades. I asked what she thought of it and her response was (paraphrasing of course)

"I teach English so the writing is almost painful, its really hard to push through it. Ana is not cute or endearing, she's pathetic and Gray is an arrogant asshole, I can;t stand either one of them."

She then followed it up by saying she was getting ready to start the second book. So I asked if she totally hated everything about it why is she wasting time?

The answer was

"Well, everyone I know is talking about it, so I want to be able to discuss it as well."

Seriously at this point this is becoming the bulk of this books sales, "herd" mentality.

It doesn't matter that the book no longer even has a 4 rating on amazon, it doesn't matter that review after review is slamming it. Doesn't matter if people you know say it stunk, people are buying it because everyone else is.

As I'd gotten older I had started to shy away from the "lemming" theory, that the majority of people are followers. THis book is a wake up call that it really does exist.

 

[lovecraft68]

But then, as an aspiring writer, I'm a compulsive reader.

It was NOT the best-written best-seller I've come across. But it's not as bad as many in the bdsm community have claimed. What's wrong with the idea that a peron's life-history helps to determine their sexual proclivities? To my mind that is a given. It's just a pity the author has no real link with any of the myriad aspects of the lifestyle.

Then you had a vested interest in reading it. You just read the entire thin, I did bits and pieces.

as for life history shaping the today, what is wrong with that in this case is that James is pointing out that abuse leads to BDSM a theory many people involved in BDSM do not appreciate.

Gray comes across as still abusive, not dominant. There was a blog I read, and someone posted the link here and I can;t think of where. But in it the blogger said that in several exchanges between Gray and Ana she feared he was actually going to slap her. That is how he came across. That is why the book has taken a lot of heat in the BDSM community, its nothing to do with crappy writing or lack of substance. Its just clueless.

Maybe that was not her intent, but she is to piss poor of a writer to really capture much of anything resembling depth.

 

[thelovingsadist]

I think one of the worst things I've heard involving this book wasn't so much about the book itself, but very telling of a lot of the people reading it.

I was at a family function a coupel months back and my wife's cousin brings up shades. I asked what she thought of it and her response was (paraphrasing of course)

"I teach English so the writing is almost painful, its really hard to push through it. Ana is not cute or endearing, she's pathetic and Gray is an arrogant asshole, I can;t stand either one of them."

She then followed it up by saying she was getting ready to start the second book. So I asked if she totally hated everything about it why is she wasting time?

The answer was

"Well, everyone I know is talking about it, so I want to be able to discuss it as well."

Seriously at this point this is becoming the bulk of this books sales, "herd" mentality.

It doesn't matter that the book no longer even has a 4 rating on amazon, it doesn't matter that review after review is slamming it. Doesn't matter if people you know say it stunk, people are buying it because everyone else is.

As I'd gotten older I had started to shy away from the "lemming" theory, that the majority of people are followers. THis book is a wake up call that it really does exist.

lol, yup. It's just another fad. Like harry potter and twilight.

But I didn't and wouldn't buy it. I have the chance to read it for free, so I'm scanning through it just because I have too much free time right now.

Is it mean of me that I want to kick Christian Grey's ass, though?

 

[daikarasu]

I'll be honest, I have only read parts of it personally. I am unable to read it for more than a few minutes at a time for a few reasons.

1. The writing is THE absolute WORST writing I have ever encountered. The author really knows how to paint a horrific picture of things like hamsters mewling cannibalistic desires. Seriously guys, that's a part of the book's description.

2. The personalities of the Characters are flat as cutting boards, and about half as interesting. As a Dom, the man in the books makes me rather sick. He is not a dom, he's just an abusive individual. The sub in the book is just as pathetic as a beaten puppy, and a tenth as cute.

3. It has a strong negative effect on the view of the BDSM community from the non-bdsm communities. BDSM is about unconditional trust, and exploring one's desires. It is NOT about threatening with death to control someone, and it is deff not about controling every aspect of their life, like it's portrayed in Shades. It may SEEM like it's doing a good thing for the community, but in reality it is just making the common misunderstandings about it even worse than before.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Some observations;

• Why the hell do people (male in this thread but I make no generalisations) express such high standards for fuckbooks that women buy? They sure don't make a big noise about artistry in the porn that men buy.
  
• I remember when the received knowledge was that porn couldn't really be created for women, because women's tastes were too diverse and mysterious.
  Well goshalmighty, as it turns out, women's tastes are a little less diverse then we all thought. In fact SO MANY women found satisfaction of an immediate and base nature in this one book, Lovie says they are lemmings.
• Any of you gentlemen care to hazard a guess why this incredibly shitty book with prose so bad that many women can't read it no matter how hot it is-- why it was such a big seller? Or are you going to fixate on kicking the ass of a fictional character, written by a woman for her own reasons?-- as if that would make any difference to the women who STILL are getting off on the porn in this book.

 

[thelovingsadist]

• Why the hell do people (male in this thread but I make no generalisations) express such high standards for fuckbooks that women buy? They sure don't make a big noise about artistry in the porn that men buy.

Actually, I make plenty of noise about some of the shit porn that some guys buy. I also know guys that are as into 50 Shades as the women, so this isn't about criticizing female porn. It's about people's (men and women) opinions about one particular book.

As for the jab at my wanting to kick Christian Grey's ass, that doesn't have anything to do with women getting off on the book either, and I'm certainly not fixated on it. It was a sarcastic joke, based on my low opinion of the character of a fictional book. A sarcastic critique, not a serious suggestion. There is a difference.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Actually, I make plenty of noise about some of the shit porn that some guys buy. I also know guys that are as into 50 Shades as the women, so this isn't about criticizing female porn. It's about people's (men and women) opinions about one particular book.

As for the jab at my wanting to kick Christian Grey's ass, that doesn't have anything to do with women getting off on the book either, and I'm certainly not fixated on it. It was a sarcastic joke, based on my low opinion of the character of a fictional book. A sarcastic critique, not a serious suggestion. There is a difference.

Glad to hear it.

 

[bhndblueyes88]

Some observations;

• Why the hell do people (male in this thread but I make no generalisations) express such high standards for fuckbooks that women buy? They sure don't make a big noise about artistry in the porn that men buy.
  

In my defense, I don't have high standards for fuckbooks that ANYONE buys. In fact, I expect them to be terrible and therefore I do not read them as a general rule. That, however, does not justify their terribleness on its own and I have an issue with the heaps of praise that have been heaped on it as a piece of writing (Versus "I can really get off to this") Natural Light is fine for getting you drunk, and I accept its use for that purpose, but that doesn't mean I'm going ot accept it as quality alcohol