For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[HisArpy]

Let's correct that misconception right from the start. Trump does not want to see an end to the killing. He wants to see the open battle postponed until after his Presidential term is over.

Trump has been adamant that his goal is to stop the killing. He's said this many times and there's nothing to show that he feels differently than what he's said.

Should there be a ceasefire or some sort of imposed agreement, Russia will simply continue the killing inside the occupied territories until there are no Ukrainians left. Bucha and Kherson are evidence enough of that. What Trump would rather do is IGNORE the killings that he doesn't want to know about.

Then it will be Russia who would be in violation of their own peace agreement. This is not unusual between warring nations where rancor runs deep.

All the evidence points to Putin simplt using any ceasefire to rebuild the Russian Army and attack again, as he did in Chechyna. He has broken every agreement he has ever signed. Is Trump prepared to put the US Army on the ground, between Russia and Ukraine, with a committment to fight the Russians if they break any ceasefire or treaty? THAT is the only guarantee that would work. If Trump is not prepared to do that, he is simply guaranteeing that Russia will attack again from a stronger position in the near future, and the killing will resume with Ukraine at a greater disadvantage.

This is always the risk as we have seen with Hamas/Hezbollah and Israel. Their ceasefire agreements always seem to allow the Palestinians to rearm and attack again in the future. Trump's challenge is to get both sides to agree to just stop fighting and then stick to their agreements.

Again, there is NO WAY Trump can guarantee a ceasefire or a peace agreement that will last. None at all. He might want the killing to stop, but the only way it will stop is
(a) if Russia is defeated (killing will stop)
(b) if Russian wins (my bad. Killing will not stop. It will continue until the Ukrainian genocide is complete)

Yes, you would like to see an end to the killing of Ukrainians (I really don't care about Russians). We all would. That will only happen when Russia is defeated.

Trump isn't in a position to guarantee anything. His role is to mediate an agreement between the parties. That's it.

Nope. Trump and you are both ignoring the fact that the killing will continue. Only, it will be behind Russian lines, and then when Russia attacks again. It's honestly better that Trump fail now, STFU, and just sell weapons to Ukraine. He's not going to achieve anything except make himself look like a fool. Which he is already doing to the rest of the world. Particulary those who understand Russia.

Then he looks like a fool for trying to save lives when neither party cares about those lives.

This IS WW3, and Trump is already losing it.

No it isn't. Not yet. It will be if Russia is pressed to the point they will use nukes, but we aren't there yet.

Following what you want to happen will guarantee that nukes will be used.

No, he's not. He's made concessions on behalf of Ukraine he is not entitled to make. He's sided with Putin and attacked Ukraine again and again.

He is in no way a mediator.

He has no stake in the outcome other than in his role as a mediator and trying to bring the parties to the bargaining table. Putin wants certain things, Trump, as mediator, will convey those demands to Zelensky. That's not a concession of anything.

He also hasn't "attacked Ukraine." That's just ridiculous to say.

And Trump should just stay out of it. There is no need for mediation. All Trump needs to do is step back, impose sanctions on Russia as the aggressor, and sell weapons and ammo to Ukraine and let them do the job.

Which will start WWIII. There's no wiggle room here, if the two nations continue to fight and Ukraine pressures Russia hard enough, Ukraine will be nuked and the world will be poorer for it.

Trump has positioned himself firmly on the wrong side of history on this one. He'll go down alongside Neville Chamberlain, and there was absolutely no need for him to do this to himself.

This may end up being true but there's an old adage that all it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. Whatever your view of Trump the person, he's doing more than nothing. He may not succeed, but he's in there trying. And he's doing it despite the badmouthing he's getting for it.

 

[HisArpy]

And most of Ukraine's natural resources are at present held or threatened by the Russians in the east.

Ukraine cannot win this conflict. Russia has superiority despite the string of small battle victories Ukraine has made.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Trump has been adamant that his goal is to stop the killing. He's said this many times and there's nothing to show that he feels differently than what he's said.

Then he needs to make realistic proposals istead of blowing smoke out his ass. Putin;s intentions are perfecty clear. It's only Trump who fails to understand them.

Then it will be Russia who would be in violation of their own peace agreement. This is not unusual between warring nations where rancor runs deep.

And then what will Trump do about that? Putin doesn't give a crap what agreement he violates. He's been vioaltimg agreements since 2014 with Ukraine and all the USA's guarantees have proved worthless. What makes us think Trump's will be any different, particular;y since he refuses to provide guarantees.

This is always the risk as we have seen with Hamas/Hezbollah and Israel. Their ceasefire agreements always seem to allow the Palestinians to rearm and attack again in the future. Trump's challenge is to get both sides to agree to just stop fighting and then stick to their agreements.

And just how will he do that? Short of putting US troops on the the ground? Putin does not want peace. He is playing rings around Trump, not that Trump minds. He is doing his best to help Putin without making it totally obvious. He will take any bullshit Putin feeds him and use it as an excuse not to impose sanctions. He has not provided any new military assistamce for Ukraine. He has walked away from the security guarantees the USA signed off on and between this and tariffs, rendered any agreement with the USA a worthless piece of paper.

Yes, there is a BIG risk. No. Ukraine cannot afford to accept that risk.

Trump isn't in a position to guarantee anything. His role is to mediate an agreement between the parties. That's it.

Then he should STFU and sell weapons to Ukraine. No agreement with Russia is worth the paper it is written on. Putin has broken every agreement he has ever signed.

Then he looks like a fool for trying to save lives when neither party cares about those lives.

I repeat, he is NOT trying to save lives. He is trying to save Russian lives and make it easierfor Putin to overrun Ukraine. He doesn't object at all to Ukrainians being killed. He has proven that time and time again

No it isn't. Not yet. It will be if Russia is pressed to the point they will use nukes, but we aren't there yet.

Nothing to do with Russia. Russia is merely an adjunct to China and China is playimg the long game, aiming to take over as THE world superpower from the USA. This war plays into China's hands, and the USA is losing, because China is fighting WW3. The USA is already abdicating, and Trump is rapid;y losing any allies the USA might have.

Following what you want to happen will guarantee that nukes will be used.

Nope. LIke it or not. Ukraine can make itself into a nuclear capable state very quickly, startig with dirty bombs. If a nuke is used on Ukraine, you can bet there will be a nuclear response. Dirty bombs. Missiles into nuclear reeactors. Russia understands that.

He has no stake in the outcome other than in his role as a mediator and trying to bring the parties to the bargaining table. Putin wants certain things, Trump, as mediator, will convey those demands to Zelensky. That's not a concession of anything.

Questionable. The way he's acting is suspiciously like Putin has something on him.

He also hasn't "attacked Ukraine." That's just ridiculous to say.

He has consistently attacked Zelensky and Ukraine, in public, vocally. YOu don't do that to an ally and you don't do that if you are a "mediator."

Trump has chosen sides. He just can't go to far or even the GOP might not be able to stomach it.

Which will start WWIII. There's no wiggle room here, if the two nations continue to fight and Ukraine pressures Russia hard enough, Ukraine will be nuked and the world will be poorer for it.

ANd if Russia uses nukes, Russia will find Moscow sprayed with radioactive waste.

If it comes to that, it's more likely Putin will eat a lead pill in an internal coup. There's already rumors......

This may end up being true but there's an old adage that all it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. Whatever your view of Trump the person, he's doing more than nothing. He may not succeed, but he's in there trying. And he's doing it despite the badmouthing he's getting for it.

Trouble is. he's siding with evil on this one.

 

[HisArpy]

Then he needs to make realistic proposals istead of blowing smoke out his ass. Putin;s intentions are perfecty clear. It's only Trump who fails to understand them.



And then what will Trump do about that? Putin doesn't give a crap what agreement he violates. He's been vioaltimg agreements since 2014 with Ukraine and all the USA's guarantees have proved worthless. What makes us think Trump's will be any different, particular;y since he refuses to provide guarantees.



And just how will he do that? Short of putting US troops on the the ground? Putin does not want peace. He is playing rings around Trump, not that Trump minds. He is doing his best to help Putin without making it totally obvious. He will take any bullshit Putin feeds him and use it as an excuse not to impose sanctions. He has not provided any new military assistamce for Ukraine. He has walked away from the security guarantees the USA signed off on and between this and tariffs, rendered any agreement with the USA a worthless piece of paper.

Yes, there is a BIG risk. No. Ukraine cannot afford to accept that risk.



Then he should STFU and sell weapons to Ukraine. No agreement with Russia is worth the paper it is written on. Putin has broken every agreement he has ever signed.



I repeat, he is NOT trying to save lives. He is trying to save Russian lives and make it easierfor Putin to overrun Ukraine. He doesn't object at all to Ukrainians being killed. He has proven that time and time again



Nothing to do with Russia. Russia is merely an adjunct to China and China is playimg the long game, aiming to take over as THE world superpower from the USA. This war plays into China's hands, and the USA is losing, because China is fighting WW3. The USA is already abdicating, and Trump is rapid;y losing any allies the USA might have.


Nope. LIke it or not. Ukraine can make itself into a nuclear capable state very quickly, startig with dirty bombs. If a nuke is used on Ukraine, you can bet there will be a nuclear response. Dirty bombs. Missiles into nuclear reeactors. Russia understands that.


Questionable. The way he's acting is suspiciously like Putin has something on him.


He has consistently attacked Zelensky and Ukraine, in public, vocally. YOu don't do that to an ally and you don't do that if you are a "mediator."

Trump has chosen sides. He just can't go to far or even the GOP might not be able to stomach it.


ANd if Russia uses nukes, Russia will find Moscow sprayed with radioactive waste.

If it comes to that, it's more likely Putin will eat a lead pill in an internal coup. There's already rumors......



Trouble is. he's siding with evil on this one.

I think you need to step back and look at what you're saying here because most of it seems to be from ire and spite.

Then there's this

2 points that are coming out of this bit of news:

1. Just days ago Zelensky was adamant that he wouldn't accept any deal in which he had to give up territory in order to get peace. Today, he's prepared to do that. So long as it's not Trump who gets the credit. Which sounds a lot like sour grapes from someone who would prefer to keep fighting because he's getting rich from it and he doesn't really care what's happening to his country and people.

2. The deal Trump is trying to broker between Russia and Ukraine is the "European backed deal." It's kind of hard to say Trump is the rogue actor here if Europe is on board with what he's trying to do.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Case in point. Trump blowing smoke out his ass again and attacking Zelensky for defending his country against a genocidal maniac.

Trump can be borther all he likes about Ukrane's constitution. That's tough shit for Trump. He should be borther by Putin attacking Ukraine. But he's not, and that says it all.

THIS is evil. And THIS is why I will not vote GOP again. In fact this is why I will actively vote AGAINST the GOP.

 

[ChloeTzang]

What a twisted way to frame it. Zelensky didn’t “get approval to start a war”, Russia invaded, and Ukraine has been defending itself ever since. What could cause anyone to watch the Russian invasion of Ukraine (We know Trump has seen it because it was big on Fox in the beginning) and see anything other than Putin attacking, invading, and trying to take over Ukraine.

If he's lying, and knows he's lying, he shouldn't be President. If he's this delusional that he actually believes this, he's too much of a whack-job to be President. Ir does Putin have something on Trump? Somebody has to know...Absolute fuckimg idiot. Zelenskiy did NOT start a war, and no one needs approval to defend their country. And no, he doesn’t need anyone’s “approval” to trade away his country’s land, because it’s not up for trade in the first place.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Trump is actually more delusional than Biden....at least Biden had sane people behind the scenes running things.

He disagrees with Zelensky leading the defense of Ukraine? He thinks maybe Zelemsky and Ukraine should have rolled over for genocide?

 

[ChloeTzang]

Politicians, Experts Convinced that American Quisling Trump Will Try to Force Ukraine to Make Concessions to Russia​

Former Swedish PM Carl Bildt says Trump’s latest remarks on territory swaps show he plans to push Ukraine into making territorial concessions. The latest statements by U.S. President Donald Trump about the exchange of territories indicate that he intends to try to force Ukraine to make territorial concessions, Minister of Foreign Affairs (2006-2014) and Prime Minister (1991-1994) of Sweden Carl Bildt believes. “The idea with the Trump deadline was to force Russia into agreeing on a complete ceasefire. Now it looks like it will instead lead to Trump trying to force Ukraine into territorial concessions to Putin,” Bildt said on the X social network. Later he compared this to the Munich Agreement of 1938. “In 1938 UK and France forced Czechoslovakia to hand over key territory to Hitler. The result? Within months Czechoslovakia ceased to exist, and within a further few months, there was all out war in Europe,” the diplomat stated.

The founder of the volunteer group “People’s Rear,” former Deputy Minister for Temporarily Occupied Territories of Ukraine, Heorhiy Tuka, said Trump’s proposal, if you believe media reports, is that “the orcs return part of our territory to us, and we give them part of our territory.” “After such a policy of the U.S. President, there is no reason to be surprised by the rapid increase in countries that will begin to produce nuclear weapons as the only guarantor of their own security,” he said. Senior partner of the Avellum law firm, former head of the State Fiscal Service of Ukraine Kostiantyn Likarchuk skeptically called the proposal to “exchange their own territories for their own territories” the “art of the deal.”

“The only good thing is that withdrawing troops from such a territory, ‘exchange’ them – it is very, very difficult. Therefore, there is hope that this will never be done. Personally, I do not imagine a Ukrainian president with any surname who would give such an order. Even less do I imagine that the Ukrainian army will carry it out. And so – a respite, time to prepare for the fourth phase of the war. That is, if it still happens,” he said.

Swedish economist and diplomat, senior fellow at the Atlantic Council of the United States Anders Åslund called Trump predictable after such statements. “His ‘threat’ of sanctions on Russia was merely an invitation to one-on-one meeting with Putin and a way to block sanctions on Russia demanded by 85 senators. Now Trump has set the stage for his sellout of Ukraine behind its back. Everything suggests that immoral Trump is preparing to stab Ukraine in the back, giving Putin half of what he asks for while Putin has not made any concessions,” he said on X, adding that “horrifying to see how Trump stabs Ukraine in the back.”

Timothy Ash, senior sovereign strategist at RBC BlueBay Asset Management, commented on Aslund’s statement, writing: “Basically Trump and Putin choreographed all this to screw Ukraine.” “By meeting in Alaska both Trump and Putin give the biggest signal yet that they plan to make decisions on Ukraine without Ukraine and behind its back. A great power summit carving up the world and smaller countries are the menu,” he later added.

Ukrainian MP from the Holos faction Yaroslav Zhelezniak said the claims that “someone misunderstood” do not look very plausible. “Let’s be honest, if they have already publicly announced the date and place of the meeting of the two heads of state on August 15, then it is obvious that they have clarified their positions many times before that. But what they agreed on without us is something we obviously will not like, that is expected,” he said on Facebook.

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/57897

 

[HisArpy]

Bad news for Ukraine but it was inevitable.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...r&cvid=9536e50ea8ba4ceae4993fe825857186&ei=12

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[Lazaran]

Bad news for Ukraine but it was inevitable.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...r&cvid=9536e50ea8ba4ceae4993fe825857186&ei=12

Derpy is such an ignorant fuck.

The Washington Examiner???



The traitors who wrote the article fucked up in the first paragraph:

Can Derpy spot the fuck up???



(Hint: Kyiv is NOT in the Donetsk Oblast).



Also:

Yes, Ukraine IS struggling in some areas due to DonOld & the MAGAt republicans’ BETRAYAL of Ukraine (and a BETRAYAL of NATO and our European allies).

The stain of shame DonOld & the MAGAt republicans have put on The United States will never be erased.



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[ChloeTzang]

TACO alert!! The Chump will melt into adulation and submission once he walks into the room with his idol. Tough talk from a distance is just typical taco play. On the day, he'll fold like a wet napkin and then blame Zelemsky

 

[ChloeTzang]

Ukraine has struck deep inside Russia, hitting a key defense industry facility in Nizhny Novgorod Oblast. The target was a plant critical to producing components for some of Russia’s most advanced missiles. This precision drone strike is part of Ukraine’s wider strategy to degrade Russia’s military capabilities at their source, disrupting production lines far from the front.

 

[Rightguide]

As Historic Trump-Putin Summit Approaches, Poll Finds Only 24% of Ukrainians Want to Keep Fighting​

By Tyler Durden, Zero Hedge • Aug. 12, 2025

(ZeroHedge)—There’s some interesting and vital data which was released last week, just ahead of this coming Friday’s historic Trump-Putin summit in Alaska, which will focuse on finding a solution to ending the Russia-Ukraine war, though the US leader has just tempered expectations by calling it a “feel-out meeting”.

Gallup released a poll last Thursday which demonstrates a dramatic shift in Ukrainian public opinion, with 69% of the population now favoring a negotiated settlement to end the grinding war as soon as possible.

General war weariness has long been a feature of the conflict, which has been raging for over 540 days at this point, and has taken at least tens of thousands or possibly hundreds of thousands of lives. Many Ukrainians fled abroad during the first year, and huge amounts of people are still internally displaced in the war-ravaged country.

The fresh Gallup poll found that just 24% support continuing the fight until achieving a military victory, which is a stark reversal from views held at the start of the war more than three years ago.

https://thelibertydaily.com/as-historic-trump-putin-summit-approaches-poll-finds/

 

[ll74]

As Historic Trump-Putin Summit Approaches, Poll Finds Only 24% of Ukrainians Want to Keep Fighting​

By Tyler Durden, Zero Hedge • Aug. 12, 2025

(ZeroHedge)—There’s some interesting and vital data which was released last week, just ahead of this coming Friday’s historic Trump-Putin summit in Alaska, which will focuse on finding a solution to ending the Russia-Ukraine war, though the US leader has just tempered expectations by calling it a “feel-out meeting”.

Gallup released a poll last Thursday which demonstrates a dramatic shift in Ukrainian public opinion, with 69% of the population now favoring a negotiated settlement to end the grinding war as soon as possible.

General war weariness has long been a feature of the conflict, which has been raging for over 540 days at this point, and has taken at least tens of thousands or possibly hundreds of thousands of lives. Many Ukrainians fled abroad during the first year, and huge amounts of people are still internally displaced in the war-ravaged country.

The fresh Gallup poll found that just 24% support continuing the fight until achieving a military victory, which is a stark reversal from views held at the start of the war more than three years ago.

https://thelibertydaily.com/as-historic-trump-putin-summit-approaches-poll-finds/

Considering they have representation on government, they can lobby for a change on position as warranted

 

[Rightguide]

Considering they have representation on government, they can lobby for a change on position as warranted

They are living under a dictatorship as we speak. There have been no elections in years.

 

[ll74]

They are living under a dictatorship as we speak. There have been no elections in years.

Their Parliament is still representing them. They can lobby for change at any time.
Zelensky is not in control of government outside of executive power

 

[ChloeTzang]

And the real problem is, it would be no real suprise if Trump agreed.

 

[Rightguide]

UK Defense Intelligence: russia Gains 500+ sq km in July as Pokrovsk Faces Encirclement Threat​

Sofiia Syngaivska

Pokrovsk, Donetsk region / screenshot from DeepStateMap

Tactical gains north-east and south-west of Pokrovsk bring russian troops closer to surrounding the strategic town​

The russian Ground Forces (RGF) highly likely seized approximately 500-550 sq km of Ukrainian territory in July 2025. The RGF seized a similar amount of Ukrainian territory in June 2025, following month on month increases from March 2025. The RGF continued to make tactical advances in Donetsk region, primarily to the north-east and south-west of Pokrovsk.

The RGF are continuing attempts to envelop the town and apply pressure to the remaining logistical routes to the town. Russian forces have now occupied nearly all of Donetsk region territory south from Pokrovsk, the UK Defense Intelligence reports.

https://en.defence-ua.com/media/illustration/articles/1d3689891f263ed5.jpg

https://en.defence-ua.com/news/uk_d...pokrovsk_faces_encirclement_threat-15426.html

Russian Troops Press on Kupyansk, Target Key Supply Routes​

By Mil.ru, CC BY 4.0, Link
John Baker, Editor
16:46 11-08-2025

Russian assault units secure northern Kupyansk, aiming to cut key supply roads. Analysts warn Ukrainian forces risk encirclement amid growing logistical issues.

Reports from military channels indicate that Russian assault units have secured positions in the northern and northwestern sectors of Kupyansk. Ukrainian sources even claim that some Russian soldiers recently attempted to buy cigarettes in a local shop using rubles.

Military analyst Gennady Alekhin stated that Russian forces are continuing to break through Ukrainian defenses and consolidate their gains, which, in his view, highlights serious challenges for Kyiv’s troops in the Kupyansk area. He pointed to a recent breakthrough near the village of Moskovka that prompted Ukrainian commanders to withdraw certain units beyond the city limits and establish a new defensive line near the old airfield.

Alekhin suggested that if Russian troops manage to cut the Kupyansk-Shevchenkove-Chuhuiv road, the Ukrainian garrison could face encirclement. He noted that severing the N-26 highway — currently the main supply route for Ukrainian forces in Kupyansk — could force them to retreat. Otherwise, the entire Kupyansk grouping risks being trapped.

According to the analyst, Russian units are pressing on the city from multiple directions while also clearing nearby villages. He argued that mounting logistical difficulties and weakening defenses may ultimately compel Ukrainian forces to abandon Kupyansk and fall back to new positions.

https://voennoedelo.com/en/posts/id186-russian-forces-advance-in-kupyansk-threaten-encirclement

 

[ChloeTzang]

Russia's tank fleet is Gone with the Wind.....

Russia’s once-feared tank fleet is now showing its age. Since the war in Ukraine began in early 2022, confirmed Russian tank losses have exceeded 4,000, with Ukrainian claims topping 10,000. Many of Russia’s modern tanks are too expensive to risk, forcing the Kremlin to pull T-72As from the 1970s and even T-62s from the 1960s back into service.Satellite imagery from July and August 2024 shows dozens of these outdated tanks moving to UralVagonZavod for refurbishment.

Analysts estimate only a fraction of the roughly 1,000 stored T-72As are repairable, and even those remain vastly inferior to Western-supplied Ukrainian armor. Despite tripling T-90M production to 300 units a year, the losses are unsustainable, leaving Moscow in a worsening strategic bind.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Ukraine is striking at single points of failure with the Russian military industrial complex.....

Ukraine has, in just seven days, dismantled the core of Russia’s war machine. This is not random fire but a deliberate campaign of precision strikes against the most critical points in Russia’s military production.
- The Monokristall plant in Stavropol is gone, leaving missiles, tanks, and aircraft without eyes.
- In Crimea, the TRLK-10 Skala-M radar is destroyed, opening a massive gap in air defenses.
- The Orenburg helium plant, vital for missile testing and aerospace systems, is offline.
- The Saratov Rosneft refinery burns, cutting jet fuel and diesel supplies.
- In Yaroslavl, the armored vehicle engine plant is wrecked, halting tank and APC output - both new and refurbished.
- The Neptun control systems facility in St. Petersburg is struck, crippling Russia’s naval command.
- Even Alabuga in Tatarstan, hub for Shahed drone production, is hit deep behind the lines.

Each was a single point of failure. Together, they create cascading paralysis. Russia is blind, immobile, and being disarmed. Its ability to see, fuel, deploy, and coordinate forces is collapsing.

The evidence is clear. Ukraine’s strategy is precision warfare - dismantling the infrastructure that keeps Putin’s military alive and shifting the balance of power in this war.

Trump's Alaska meeting is a last-ditch effort to save Putin. Zelensky has already said that any meeting that does not involve Ukraine is irrelevant - "Ukraine does not recognize any decisions made as a result of the meeting between Trump and Putin without Ukraine's participation." — Zelenskyy

 

[ChloeTzang]

The Russian FSB is unleashing a brutal purge inside Russia.

This desperate power grab comes as Russia's battlefield losses mount and its economy collapses, threatening Putin's control over the Kremlin.

Cornered and with dwindling resources, the regime is now considering a high-stakes gamble: secret talks with Donald Trump in Alaska. But with Putin reportedly too afraid to fly, this desperate move reveals the true chaos gripping his inner circle. In this analysis, we break down the verified reports detailing the FSB's actions and what it means for the future of the war.

Russian troops are parking or abandoning their tanks and IFV's in the open with the hatches open to make it easier for Ukraine to destroy them, so they don't have to fight in them. Last week a S300 missile complex was parked in the open and destroyed within 90 minutes. Russian troops simply don't want to fight anymore.

 

[jomar]

Like Trump I'd like to see an end to the killing. What you'd like to see happen is Trump failing and ignore the killing. Something which points out the flaw in your mental reasoning.

trump doesn’t care about the killing. He wants a Nobel

For those who don't actually understand what's going on, Trump is trying to mediate the conflict. Despite Putin's refusals and bad faith, Trump has gotten Putin to the bargaining table. That itself is a sign of hope.

Putin is a cat toying with a mouse

Another thing about mediating disputes that you TDS riddled dipshits refuse to acknowledge; if the parties don't want to do anything except fight, it's not the mediator's fault. In this we can blame both Zelensky and Putin but Trump isn't part of that.

Yes, trump is an expert at shedding responsibility while abandoning alliances

 

[ChloeTzang]

Ukraine deploys Azov to contain Russia breakthrough on Pokrovsk sector. It’s difficult to ascertain if those are real penetrations or raids by small groups. The Russians have been improving their small scale raid tactics.

Accusations of incomptence directed at Ukrainian supreme command from a number of sources.