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World
August 7, 2025

Ukrainian Support for War Effort Collapses​

Public sours on Washington, loses hope for quick NATO accession
by Benedict Vigers
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LONDON — Most Ukrainians now favor ending the war with Russia through negotiations, as support for fighting until victory has dropped sharply since the early days of the conflict. Although their hopes for joining NATO and the European Union have faded and approval of U.S. leadership has plummeted, Ukrainians still see the EU, U.K. and U.S. as key to ending the war. Yet, most doubt that will happen anytime soon.

More than three years into the war, Ukrainians’ support for continuing to fight until victory has hit a new low. In Gallup’s most recent poll of Ukraine — conducted in early July — 69% say they favor a negotiated end to the war as soon as possible, compared with 24% who support continuing to fight until victory.

This marks a nearly complete reversal from public opinion in 2022, when 73% favored Ukraine fighting until victory and 22% preferred that Ukraine seek a negotiated end as soon as possible.

Support for the war effort has declined steadily across all segments of the Ukrainian population, regardless of region or demographic group. This shift comes as diplomatic efforts gain new traction. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has signaled readiness for direct talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin, proposing renewed negotiations, while U.S. President Donald Trump is attempting to pressure the Kremlin with the threat of sanctions.

More here: https://news.gallup.com/poll/693203/ukrainian-support-war-effort-collapses.aspx

The truth is beginning to leak out. This has been evident for some time now.

 

[Rightguide]

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Ukraine prepared to cede territory held by Russia​

Joe Barnes
Mon, August 11, 2025 at 1:52 PM PDT
7 min read

Ukraine could agree to stop fighting and cede territory already held by Russia as part of a European-backed plan for peace.
Volodymyr Zelensky told European leaders that they must reject any settlement proposed by Donald Trump in which Ukraine gives up further territory – but that Russia could be allowed to retain some of the land it has taken.

This would mean freezing the front line where it is and handing Russia de facto control of the territory it occupies in Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia, Kherson and Crimea.

The softening of the negotiating position comes ahead of talks between Mr Trump and Vladimir Putin in Alaska on Friday.

“The plan can only be related to the current positions held by the militaries,” a Western official said, characterising a frantic weekend of diplomacy between Kyiv and its allies.

Ukraine and Europe have become increasingly concerned that Mr Trump and Putin could negotiate an end to the long-running war over Mr Zelensky’s head.

More here: https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/ukraine-prepared-cede-territory-held-151441402.html

The new reality that this war only had one outcome.

 

[dmallord]

I think you need to step back and look at what you're saying here because most of it seems to be from ire and spite.

Then there's this

2 points that are coming out of this bit of news:

1. Just days ago Zelensky was adamant that he wouldn't accept any deal in which he had to give up territory in order to get peace. Today, he's prepared to do that. So long as it's not Trump who gets the credit. Which sounds a lot like sour grapes from someone who would prefer to keep fighting because he's getting rich from it and he doesn't really care what's happening to his country and people.

2. The deal Trump is trying to broker between Russia and Ukraine is the "European backed deal." It's kind of hard to say Trump is the rogue actor here if Europe is on board with what he's trying to do.

Your reading skills aren't up to par, Arphy. Info in your reference doesn't support this at all. None of the countries in the article are signing on to the idea of giving up territory over this war or demanding it be done like Trump. He and Putin are the only two who want to divide up Ukraine, and of these two, one wants to divide it 100% and the other idiot might just go for it.

"KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — A peace deal that requires Kyiv to accept swapping Ukrainian territory with Russia would not only be deeply unpopular. It also would be illegal under its constitution.

"That's why President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has categorically rejected any deal with Moscow that could involve ceding land after U.S. President Donald Trump suggested such a concession would be beneficial to both sides, ahead of his meeting Friday with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Alaska.

"Zelenskyy said over the weekend that Kyiv “will not give Russia any awards for what it has done,” and that “Ukrainians will not give their land to the occupier.” The remarks came after Trump said a peace deal would involve swapping of Ukrainian territories by both sides “to the betterment of both.”

"For Zelenskyy, such a deal would be [a] disaster for his presidency and spark public outcry after more than three years of bloodshed and sacrifice by Ukrainians. Moreover, he doesn’t have the authority to sign off on it, because changing Ukraine’s 1991 borders runs counter to the country’s constitution."

 

[ChloeTzang]

It's going to be truly fascinating to see how Trump rationalizes Putin ignorimg his demands for an immediate ceasefire while NOT imposing any penalties on Russia and meanwhile blaming Ukraine.

TACO will strike again......

 

[Lazaran]

It's going to be truly fascinating to see how Trump rationalizes Putin ignorimg his demands for an immediate ceasefire while NOT imposing any penalties on Russia and meanwhile blaming Ukraine.

TACO will strike again......

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How do you not get it that Putin & Trump are working in concert (colluding / conspiring) with each other (along with some MAGAt Putinistas in the MAGAt administration)???



Answer these two questions honestly:

Have DonOld & the MAGAt republican administration / congress done more to hurt Ukraine or help Ukraine???

Have DonOld & the MAGAt republican administration / congress done more to hurt Russia or help Russia???



Related:

Remember when the MAGAt republicans were openly engaged in collusion with Russia, while simultaneously gaslighting the gullible MAGAt sheeple (and "Independent voters") about the legitimacy of repots by reputable news organizations and the accusations / observation from decent, intelligent individuals of ALL political stripes about DonOld & the MAGAt republicans’ collusion with Russia???


We. Told. Them. So.

 

[ChloeTzang]

How do you not get it that Putin & Trump are working in concert (colluding / conspiring) with each other (along with some MAGAt Putinistas in the MAGAt administration)???

Oh, I agree. It's self-evident there's some sort of collusion going on. Trump couldn't keep backstabbing and attacking Ukraine and helping Putin as he has been otherwise.

Trump is very obviously going as far as he can to help Putin without making it so blatantly obvious that even the GOP would be forced to disavow him, and between Trump, the Vance-Hegseth wing of the GOP and the delusional idiots who fall for the Russian propaganda propagated by the likes of Carlson Tucker and a lot of the media, they've carried a lot of voters with them.

Answer these two questions honestly:

Have DonOld & the MAGAt republican administration / congress done more to hurt Ukraine or help Ukraine???

Have DonOld & the MAGAt republican administration / congress done more to hurt Russia or help Russia???

Well, we all know the answer there. Trump has actively hurt Ukraine whereever he can, and failed to help where he could have. Even where he could have done nothing and that would have helped Ukraine, he's done his best not to. And his cintinuing attacks on Zelensky and his ongoing concessions to Putin speak for themselves.

As for Russia, have we seen any real sanctions yet? Ones that bite? Nyet.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Explosions Rock Russia’s Volgograd, Lukoil Refinery Hit Overnight​

Local officials blamed falling debris for igniting spilled oil products at the LUKOIL-Volgogradneftepererabotka plant, while Russia claimed to have intercepted 44 Ukrainian UAVs overnight.

A series of drone strikes hit Russia’s Volgograd region early Thursday, Aug. 14, igniting a fire at a major oil refinery. Volgograd Region Governor Andrey Bocharov said falling drone debris caused oil products to spill and catch fire at the LUKOIL-Volgogradneftepererabotka refinery. "Firefighters quickly began extinguishing the fire. According to preliminary data, there are no casualties,” he wrote. The Lukoil-Volgogradneftepererabotka refinery, the largest producer of petroleum products in Russia’s Southern Federal District, has been repeatedly targeted by Ukrainian drones. It was also struck on Aug. 13, as well as on Jan. 15, Feb. 3, and May 11, 2024. Residents reported hearing explosions after 2:30 a.m., particularly loud in the Krasnoarmiysky district. The Shot Telegram channel citing witnesses reported that five to seven blasts were heard, and debris from a downed drone caused fires and heavy smoke in one area.

The Exilenova+ Telegram channel reported several direct hits on the refinery and published footage from the site. According to the outlet, NASA satellites recorded a large-scale fire at the facility, which has an annual refining capacity of 14.8 million tons. At 11:29 p.m. on Aug. 13, Volgograd airport enacted the “Carpet” plan, temporarily closing for arrivals and departures.

At 12:06, the General Staff of Ukraine confirmed on Telegram that, in the early hours of August 14, units of the Unmanned Systems Forces and the Main Intelligence Directorate (HUR), in cooperation with other components of the Defense Forces, struck the Volgograd oil refinery, which supplies the Russian army with petroleum products. “The strike by UAVs caused severe fires at the plant. The exact consequences of the damage are still being assessed,” the statement read. The General Staff noted that the refinery processes over 15 million tons of oil annually - about 5.6% of all oil refined in Russia - and produces diesel, gasoline, and jet fuel, which are critical for the Russian military’s logistics. “We are consistently working to reduce the production capacity of petroleum products in the aggressor country and weaken its army. Russia must fully feel the consequences of its aggressive policy and end its war against Ukraine,” the report said.

This refinery is responsible for 5% of Russia's oil refining capacity. Latest reports are that fires are expanding throughout the complex.



https://www.kyivpost.com/post/58096

 

[ChloeTzang]

The Netherlands has already announced significant fiunding for this initiative

 

[Buffalogurl]

Oh, I agree. It's self-evident there's some sort of collusion going on. Trump couldn't keep backstabbing and attacking Ukraine and helping Putin as he has been otherwise.

Trump is very obviously going as far as he can to help Putin without making it so blatantly obvious that even the GOP would be forced to disavow him, and between Trump, the Vance-Hegseth wing of the GOP and the delusional idiots who fall for the Russian propaganda propagated by the likes of Carlson Tucker and a lot of the media, they've carried a lot of voters with them.



Well, we all know the answer there. Trump has actively hurt Ukraine whereever he can, and failed to help where he could have. Even where he could have done nothing and that would have helped Ukraine, he's done his best not to. And his cintinuing attacks on Zelensky and his ongoing concessions to Putin speak for themselves.

As for Russia, have we seen any real sanctions yet? Ones that bite? Nyet.

ChloeTzang....... this note is for you in particular.... I've not posted here for a while, yes there is a reason why I haven't...
But that's not what I want to speak about to you....as you know Ukraine has been getting mauled by the bear, Zelensky is/does work for the filthy British leading the Ukrainians to a genocidal quagmire.....here me out, please and carefully consider my thoughts...
NATO and the whoremongering democrats using Ukraine as a battering ram has degraded Russian early warning systems, submarine systems and some of the nuclear bombers and using "fire reconnaissance" has been probing Russian capabilities for 3 years (along with starlink) the west now for all intents and purpose have "mapped" the Russian War machine....
At the present the west is now in a very capable position to (now read this carefully) facilitate a Nuclear first strike, decapitation strike ... with what the west believes minimal collateral damage......
With all of this stated, if 50% of the Russian nuclear arsenal, that will number in more that 2000 nuclear weapons reaching their targets.... let that sink in...... you, the hapless Ukrainians and most of the free world has been "played"..
Anyway Chloe... there is much much more to share. But it is lengthy and complex...... please do make peace with God and stay frosty and stay strapped....

 

[ChloeTzang]

ChloeTzang....... this note is for you in particular.... I've not posted here for a while, yes there is a reason why I haven't...
But that's not what I want to speak about to you....as you know Ukraine has been getting mauled by the bear, Zelensky is/does work for the filthy British leading the Ukrainians to a genocidal quagmire.....here me out, please and carefully consider my thoughts...
NATO and the whoremongering democrats using Ukraine as a battering ram has degraded Russian early warning systems, submarine systems and some of the nuclear bombers and using "fire reconnaissance" has been probing Russian capabilities for 3 years (along with starlink) the west now for all intents and purpose have "mapped" the Russian War machine....
At the present the west is now in a very capable position to (now read this carefully) facilitate a Nuclear first strike, decapitation strike ... with what the west believes minimal collateral damage......
With all of this stated, if 50% of the Russian nuclear arsenal, that will number in more that 2000 nuclear weapons reaching their targets.... let that sink in...... you, the hapless Ukrainians and most of the free world has been "played"..
Anyway Chloe... there is much much more to share. But it is lengthy and complex...... please do make peace with God and stay frosty and stay strapped....

Europe will NEVER launch a nuclear decapitation first strike on Russia. They're way too timid and they don't have the army strengths or organization to follow through.

As for a battering ram, Europe and Biden were desperately trying to bring Putin to the negotiating table from early on. The whole Biden strategy was geared to that. They're all terrified of what will happen if Russia implodes, esp with all those nukes lying around. If yulook at the start of the war, the Germans wrote Ukraine off pretty much right away, Biden offered Zelensky a ride out, and everyone thought Ukraine would fold. Biden was gearing up to supply weapons to Ukraine to fight a guerilla war - which would have been a failure, just as it was in the late 40's and early 50's. Russia would just have exterminated everyone in the wears where there was resistance, as they are in fact doing now in the Occupied Territories. Pretty much all ukrainian males, Russian speaking or otherwaise, in the Donbas were drafted into the military, thrown into the meatgrinder, and have now been killed. The Russians are now drafting Ukrainians in the occupied zones into the Russian military and throwing them in as well..... the end result is genocide and population replacement.

The occupied territories are going to have to be throughly cleaned out after they are liberated, and the evidence of genocide when that happens is going to be absolutely shocking - and all the liberals will weep and wail like the useless faggots they are. But no, there won't be a nuclear war. Putin might be crazy enough to drop one on Ukraine, but the Ukrainiabs will simply respond in kind - they have already written this in as a possibility and it will just mean that in the end, Russia will go down harder and faster.

The only real solution here is to treat Russia the way Nazi Germany was treated. Military defeat. Total denazification. Confiscation of all nukes. Execution of ALL war criminals. And a generation of re-education. Oh, and independance for ALL the colonies and the end of Russia as a colonial empire.

 

[ChloeTzang]

And who knows, Putin may not be around for much longer......

President Vladimir Putin’s grip on power faces its biggest threat in decades, as whispers of a military coup spread through Moscow. Russian forces have suffered over 1 million casualties since 2022, losing more than 4,000 tanks and 8,200 armored vehicles. Controlled territory has dropped from 58,000 square miles in March 2022 to about 44,000 today.

Anonymous sources point to deepening unrest within Russia’s General Staff, with commanders fearing purges and scapegoating. Some may be preparing to act, echoing Yevgeny Prigozhin’s aborted march on Moscow in June 2023. Whether these reports signal an actual coup plot or an FSB purge, they underscore the Kremlin’s growing instability and the widening cracks within Putin’s inner circle.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Ukraine’s military has unveiled the Privet-299, a low-cost wooden drone capable of surveillance, precision strikes, and reuse. Paired with Su-27 jets armed with Western glide bombs, it delivered a devastating blow to elite Russian troops near Bakhmut on August 11th. This innovation extends Ukraine’s “kill zone” behind enemy lines, disrupts Russian logistics, and adds another domestically produced weapon to its growing arsenal—all at a fraction of traditional costs.

The ZSU's 28th Mechanized took out at least part of Russia's 98th airborne division using a combimation of these drones and Su-27 delivered glid bombs

 

[ChloeTzang]

Update from Ukraine | Azov Cuts Off Russian Attack | Good and Bad news from Frontline​

Pokrovsk - good summary of the situation and issues from Denys

 

[ChloeTzang]

touches on internal opposition to Putin within Russia and new support packages from European allies for Ukraine.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Russia is running out of cash.....

FSB squads are not cleaning up corruption - they are financing the Kremlin by shaking down governors and generals while Ukraine’s drone strikes drive up transport costs and choke diesel-reliant rails.

Here is the strategic picture in plain terms: battlefield strikes raise insurance and delivery costs, diesel prices squeeze Russian Railways, and the budget shortfall is filled by arrests. The result is fear at the top and poorer logistics at the front.

 

[Buffalogurl]

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/war/ukrainians-want-zelensky-to-end-the-war/
Moar shitfuckery.....more dead.....

 

[ll74]

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/war/ukrainians-want-zelensky-to-end-the-war/
Moar shitfuckery.....more dead.....

They can reach out to their representatives and lobby for a change.

 

[ChloeTzang]

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/war/ukrainians-want-zelensky-to-end-the-war/
Moar shitfuckery.....more dead.....

It's a bit hard to end a war against Russia when Putin doesn't want to stop invading.

It's a bit like the Jews in Auschwitz saying they want the Germans to end the Holocaust.

Ain't happening, gurl.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Ukraine is dismantling Russia’s war machine, striking command hubs and the fuel that powers its invasion. Ukrainian drones have launched an attack on the Southern Military District HQ in Rostov-on-Don and hit a LUKOIL refinery, proving Ukraine can target critical assets deep inside Russian territory.

Since January 2024, Ukraine has struck at least 61 refineries, depots, and pumping stations, causing over $10 billion in damage and crippling Russia’s refining capacity. Each hit forces the Kremlin to choose between defending the front lines or protecting vital infrastructure at home.

With the military weakening and the economy collapsing, Putin’s planned meeting with Donald Trump in Anchorage, Alaska, is not a show of power but a plea for relief. The Kremlin’s fractures are widening, and Ukraine is rewriting the war’s narrative, proving that Putin’s grip is far weaker than it appears.

 

[Rightguide]

Zelensky’s Impossible Demands: NATO Membership, $1 Trillion in Reparations Ahead of Trump-Putin Summit​

By Cassie B • Aug. 14, 2025

• Zelensky’s unrealistic demands—NATO membership, $1 trillion in reparations, and no territorial concessions—risk prolonging Ukraine’s losing war.
• Russian forces continue advancing in Donbas as Ukraine suffers heavy losses, yet Zelensky refuses to negotiate.
• Trump is pushing for a decisive deal with Putin, potentially sidelining Zelensky if he obstructs peace efforts.
• European leaders, despite economic struggles, back Zelensky’s hardline stance, but they lack the resources to sustain it.
• Zelensky’s defiance may lead to a Trump-Putin deal without Ukraine’s input, sealing the country’s grim fate.

More here: https://thelibertydaily.com/zelenskys-impossible-demands-nato-membership-1-trillion-reparations/

This is why the war will be settled on the battlefield.

 

[ll74]

Zelensky’s Impossible Demands: NATO Membership, $1 Trillion in Reparations Ahead of Trump-Putin Summit​

By Cassie B • Aug. 14, 2025

• Zelensky’s unrealistic demands—NATO membership, $1 trillion in reparations, and no territorial concessions—risk prolonging Ukraine’s losing war.
• Russian forces continue advancing in Donbas as Ukraine suffers heavy losses, yet Zelensky refuses to negotiate.
• Trump is pushing for a decisive deal with Putin, potentially sidelining Zelensky if he obstructs peace efforts.
• European leaders, despite economic struggles, back Zelensky’s hardline stance, but they lack the resources to sustain it.
• Zelensky’s defiance may lead to a Trump-Putin deal without Ukraine’s input, sealing the country’s grim fate.

More here: https://thelibertydaily.com/zelenskys-impossible-demands-nato-membership-1-trillion-reparations/

This is why the war will be settled on the battlefield.

Putin is the one with the unreasonable demands.

 

[Lazaran]

Ukraine is dismantling Russia’s war machine, striking command hubs and the fuel that powers its invasion. Ukrainian drones have launched an attack on the Southern Military District HQ in Rostov-on-Don and hit a LUKOIL refinery, proving Ukraine can target critical assets deep inside Russian territory.

Since January 2024, Ukraine has struck at least 61 refineries, depots, and pumping stations, causing over $10 billion in damage and crippling Russia’s refining capacity. Each hit forces the Kremlin to choose between defending the front lines or protecting vital infrastructure at home.

With the military weakening and the economy collapsing, Putin’s planned meeting with Donald Trump in Anchorage, Alaska, is not a show of power but a plea for relief. The Kremlin’s fractures are widening, and Ukraine is rewriting the war’s narrative, proving that Putin’s grip is far weaker than it appears.

I made a post a loooong time ago about how Russia would have sooooo much more to lose, and sooooo many more critical (strategically / militarily / economically) targets of opportunity for Ukraine to strike once the war opened up due to various factors (Russian attacks on civilians leading to approval of quasi-offensive / defensive deep strikes into Russia, and the global economy stabilizing after Covid, which allowed for the west to absorb some major hits on Russian oil production. See also: Israel’s attacks on Iran).

That ^ has happened / is happening.



Slava Ukraini!!!

 

[Rightguide]

Putin is the one with the unreasonable demands.

I'm not addressing demand one way or the other, just the reality. It's obvious that Putin is not going to accept Zelensky's demands. As long as that is the case, Putin has no incentive to give up what he has conquered when he's in the position to take even more. Just sayin'.

 

[ll74]

I'm not addressing demand one way or the other, just the reality. It's obvious that Putin is not going to accept Zelensky's demands. As long as that is the case, Putin has no incentive to give up what he has conquered when he's in the position to take even more. Just sayin'.

Yes you are.

Putin doesn't want peace. His demands are unrealistic. Ukraine's demands are that Russia stop invading at a minimum.

 

[Rightguide]

Yes you are.

Putin doesn't want peace. His demands are unrealistic. Ukraine's demands are that Russia stop invading at a minimum.

Yes, yes,yes, but what is the reality? The reality is, Putin has the upper hand on the field and is exploiting that advantage. He thinks he's on the right side of the issue, so does Zelensky. Zelensky, is drafting 60-year-old men and young boys because he's out of fighting-age men. That's another reality. The Russian army is rolling up defensive works that are, in many cases, unmanned.