'Gay' vs 'really gay'?

[Rhys]

Why don't you go sit on the couch in your jockey shorts and watch a football game or something?

and drink more beer.

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

Why don't you go sit on the couch in your jockey shorts and watch a football game or something?

Well, if I wait a few hours, I can snag some comic books...wait, you were trying to be rude, weren't you?

 

[Luna_Wolf72]

Well, if I wait a few hours, I can snag some comic books...wait, you were trying to be rude, weren't you?

why oh why??? never mind...tis not for me to ask...only to do....

lil girl

 

[zipman]

Sorry, my bad, I didn't realize that GLBT stood for Gay Lesbian Bisexual Treehouse.

The anti-heterosexual bias against anyone who posts here is pretty ugly.

Congrats Etoile! You've fostered a place where dialogue and or criticism is not permitted unless it is uttered by a member of they forum.

Othwerwise, any comments are met with pettiness and defensiveness.


Just perfect for a discussion board

 

[Netzach]

what does that prove? that could very easily be learned behavior and playing with dolls and playing house does not make someone gay. but anyway...

Are you sure?

*ceasing to make skipper hump barbie's leg*

 

[Netzach]

Sorry, my bad, I didn't realize that GLBT stood for Gay Lesbian Bisexual Treehouse.

The anti-heterosexual bias against anyone who posts here is pretty ugly.


Unlike the venemous reaction every time some vanilla wanders onto the SM board to ask us why we hurt people we love.

Congrats Etoile! You've fostered a place where dialogue and or criticism is not permitted unless it is uttered by a member of they forum.

Do you see Etoile here? Slamming the mod for posts that piss you off....wow you are sounding more like Richard every minute.

Othwerwise, any comments are met with pettiness and defensiveness.

Mostly the petty and offensive ones.

 

[Netzach]

duh wrong thread

nevermind

 

[zipman]

Sorry, my bad, I didn't realize that GLBT stood for Gay Lesbian Bisexual Treehouse.

The anti-heterosexual bias against anyone who posts here is pretty ugly.


Unlike the venemous reaction every time some vanilla wanders onto the SM board to ask us why we hurt people we love.

Congrats Etoile! You've fostered a place where dialogue and or criticism is not permitted unless it is uttered by a member of they forum.

Do you see Etoile here? Slamming the mod for posts that piss you off....wow you are sounding more like Richard every minute.

Othwerwise, any comments are met with pettiness and defensiveness.

Mostly the petty and offensive ones.

The issue of "the swishy stereotype" was raised here previously.

As for eating_scarlett, as many posts as there were that bashed her, I also saw a hell of a lot more tolerance and attempts to educate than I did here.

Were my comments here petty and offensive? I tried to initiate a dialogue about stereotypes on both sides of fence, one that may have led to a better understanding of why people feel the need to fit that type of persona, both the swishy gays and macho heterosexual assholes.

As for my comments about Etoile, I thought this space was her vision, if she is merely performing an administrative function as opposed to shaping the degree of tolerance and inclusive dialogue that I was crediting her for, then I do apologize to her.

As for my other comments, they stand as posted.

 

[Queersetti]

Sorry, my bad, I didn't realize that GLBT stood for Gay Lesbian Bisexual Treehouse.

The anti-heterosexual bias against anyone who posts here is pretty ugly.

Congrats Etoile! You've fostered a place where dialogue and or criticism is not permitted unless it is uttered by a member of they forum.

Othwerwise, any comments are met with pettiness and defensiveness.


Just perfect for a discussion board

You just don't get it, do you? We are not obligated to speak, think or behave on terms dictated by straights. Not anywhere, and in particular, not here.

"The anti-heterosexual bias against anyone who posts here is pretty ugly."

You are an intelligent man. Perhaps if you would read that sentence back to yourself very carefully, you might glimmer a bit of what I find objectionable in how you have approached this issue.

 

[zipman]

You just don't get it, do you? We are not obligated to speak, think or behave on terms dictated by straights. Not anywhere, and in particular, not here.

"The anti-heterosexual bias against anyone who posts here is pretty ugly."

You are an intelligent man. Perhaps if you would read that sentence back to yourself very carefully, you might glimmer a bit of what I find objectionable in how you have approached this issue.

Again obviously it is my bad, Queesetti. I would think that you would welcome the opportunity to increase understanding of homosexual and lesbian issues through dialogue, as it serves to make society a better place if all of us understand why we behave the way we do, and how people's perception of us changes based on those behaviors.

You are so defensive about my or any other heterosexual "dictating" how you act or speak that you are completely missing a legitimate attempt to have a civil conversation, one which we would most likely agree upon. The paradigm you are operating under is one of conflict between us, where none does exist or even need exist.

I doubt you will find a poster on these boards with views as liberal as mine when it comes to gay/lesbian issues, and I have spoken out more than once at the stupid anti-gay bashing that occurs here. Having supported gay/lesbian rights, marched in countless parades and befriended people based on their personalities and not their sexual orientation, I feel I am more than entitled to SIMPLY HAVE A CONVERSATION about gay/lesbian issues. I'm sorry if you feel the fact that I haven't had a same sex experience precludes me from participating or even being given the same respect as those that do but I honestly don't care.

 

[Queersetti]

Again obviously it is my bad, Queesetti. I would think that you would welcome the opportunity to increase understanding of homosexual and lesbian issues through dialogue, as it serves to make society a better place if all of us understand why we behave the way we do, and how people's perception of us changes based on those behaviors.

You are so defensive about my or any other heterosexual "dictating" how you act or speak that you are completely missing a legitimate attempt to have a civil conversation, one which we would most likely agree upon. The paradigm you are operating under is one of conflict between us, where none does exist or even need exist.

I doubt you will find a poster on these boards with views as liberal as mine when it comes to gay/lesbian issues, and I have spoken out more than once at the stupid anti-gay bashing that occurs here. Having supported gay/lesbian rights, marched in countless parades and befriended people based on their personalities and not their sexual orientation, I feel I am more than entitled to SIMPLY HAVE A CONVERSATION about gay/lesbian issues. I'm sorry if you feel the fact that I haven't had a same sex experience precludes me from participating or even being given the same respect as those that do but I honestly don't care.

I'd be happy to have a productive conversation with you, just as soon as you start speaking to me like I am your equal, and not like you are doing me a favor.

 

[Netzach]

The issue of "the swishy stereotype" was raised here previously.

Were my comments here petty and offensive? I tried to initiate a dialogue about stereotypes on both sides of fence, one that may have led to a better understanding of why people feel the need to fit that type of persona, both the swishy gays and macho heterosexual assholes.

No. Yours weren't. We were not talking about your views and how you expressed them. Mayberry's a big boy.

Like I said, you leave a turd in a paper bag on someone's front stoop and then expect them to thank you, you are really deluded.

However I'm questioning the need or desire, as Queersetti is, for self-proclaimed heterosexuals to really understand the inner mechanics of flaming, particularly from the standpoint of "god I hate really queeny queens. Please, tell me what makes you guys tick." My interpretation.

Want a theory as to why people need to signify?

I have a number.

To attract like minded mates. To give their enemies the proverbial finger. Because they find pleasure in it. Who owes anyone explanations?

Why do heterosexual men feel a compulsion to go online and talk about training their own personal pieces of ass to suck cock (is it really that hard to figure out, are they stupid?) Why do uptight Jewish androgynes have such a stick up our butts? Who owes anyone explanations?

Furthermore, why is is the job of queens to sit there and remain cheerfully unoffended time after time after time?

Go ahead, say anything you like, if I don't bend over for you, I must be hypersensitive and PMSsy. It's kind of a damned if you do damned if you don't scenario, and it only merits a rather indignant "up yours." Don't you think?

As for my comments about Etoile, I thought this space was her vision, if she is merely performing an administrative function as opposed to shaping the degree of tolerance and inclusive dialogue that I was crediting her for, then I do apologize to her.

I don't think Etoile is the posty police nor should be. In fact, she got slammed pretty badly by the regulars for being too hands on at one point.

As for my other comments, they stand as posted.

As do mine.

 

[zipman]

I'd be happy to have a productive conversation with you, just as soon as you start speaking to me like I am your equal, and not like you are doing me a favor.

Sorry Queersetti, but you're the one "who doesn't get it."


I have never spoken to you in that fashion, and if you really think that is how I feel, then there is no reason for us to even speak at all!

 

[Netzach]

Yeah, I'm always kind of edgy when someone whips out their "I'm your ally" resume....who owes who a little humility?

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

I don't want an explanation, I don't want a Spanish Inquisition...actually, I want a chocolate milkshake, but that's besides the point.
Does no gay person feel like there are parts of the gay community whose behavior they don't appreciate? Or is it like the DSM community, where almost everybody pretends that every sort of behavior is acceptable, in the name of 'unity'?

 

[zipman]

Yeah, I'm always kind of edgy when someone whips out their "I'm your ally" resume....who owes who a little humility?

I think it's pretty sad that I felt the need to simply to defend myself for wanting to have a conversation!

 

[Netzach]

Sure.

I don't personally care for it when babyrapers try to get under our tent and mumble some shite about classical greece.

I don't especially care for separatist communal lesbians who are freaked out about anything touched by men.

I don't care for ultrabutches who think acting like a stupid straight guy is going to impress me.

But this is *my* tribe. It's ridiculous to say there's no difference when I complain about it and when you complain about it.

Unfair, wrong, bad, unfair. And totally fair at the same time. I get to slam my family, you don't. I get to call my sister a tramp, you don't.

 

[Queersetti]

Sorry Queersetti, but you're the one "who doesn't get it."


I have never spoken to you in that fashion, and if you really think that is how I feel, then there is no reason for us to even speak at all!

"The anti-heterosexual bias against anyone who posts here is pretty ugly."

"Anyone who posts here"?

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

Sure.

I don't personally care for it when babyrapers try to get under our tent and mumble some shite about classical greece.

I don't especially care for separatist communal lesbians who are freaked out about anything touched by men.

I don't care for ultrabutches who think acting like a stupid straight guy is going to impress me.

But this is *my* tribe. It's ridiculous to say there's no difference when I complain about it and when you complain about it.

Unfair, wrong, bad, unfair. And totally fair at the same time. I get to slam my family, you don't. I get to call my sister a tramp, you don't.

Yep, pretty unfair. I thought we were past the tribalism.

 

[SweetCherry]

I think it's more than possible. I say this because I have taught four and five year olds in the public school system. I have seen my share of little boys that love to go to the housekeeping center and dress in women's clothes and whose every action is more feminine than masculine. I have no idea what these little boys grow up to be, but I am more than willing to assume that a good majority of them will be gay.

Hmm, well, I can't comment one way or the other on that. I do know tho, that I have a 5 year old son who plays dress up with his sister, enjoys his toe nails being oplished now and again, plays barbies and sleeps with a doll sometimes. I also know that he refuses to letanyone but ME see his toenails, He also has an older sister who he worships, so he plays whatever she wants to just so she'll play with him. He also is very much "boyish" in many aspects. He loves his cars and trucks and learned to ride his bike without training wheels at 3 1/2. He likes sports and all that other stuff that drives me up a wall/

I don't know if he's going to grow up and decide he's gay or not. I honestly don't care what he turns out to be, so long as he's a good human being and is happy with who he is. In the end, that's all that's important for ANYONE. That they be good people and happy in who they are. Gender, sexual orientation, race, color, religion. None of that matters.

 

[zipman]

Hey Netzach,

Go back and show me where I sided with anyone on this thread, let alone defended the comments of Johnny Mayberry.

Did I not point out to Roscoe in my first post that the equivalent negative male stereotypes exist?

Did I not try and start a conversation repeatedly about why people need to fit into "both stereotypes."


Have fun "marking your territory" with your little pissing match!

 

[Netzach]

I'll get over an us/them construct when I can rest assured about my job, safety, sanity, and rights, thank you.


Nothing was *ever* given to this community without being fought for, screamed in the street for, and by us, ourselves, foremost.


Nothing.

 

[Queersetti]

I don't want an explanation, I don't want a Spanish Inquisition...actually, I want a chocolate milkshake, but that's besides the point.
Does no gay person feel like there are parts of the gay community whose behavior they don't appreciate? Or is it like the DSM community, where almost everybody pretends that every sort of behavior is acceptable, in the name of 'unity'?

There are certainly unpalatable fringes, as there are in any subculture.

I don't think guys who lisp are very high on that list, though.

 

[Netzach]

Zipman-- *stopping midstream*

ok...do *you* have a theory about why people need to fit into both stereotypes?

 

[Queersetti]

Yep, pretty unfair. I thought we were past the tribalism.

We weren't the ones who decided that we ought to be treated as second class citizens.