Gun Control or what?

[Ubiquitious_too]

Sean
Go over to the thread on liberal economic policy- would you please?

 

[Sean Renaud]

There doesn't appear to be one. Not that it matters. I'm not even the one who brought that up and the link is solid.

 

[PoppingTom]

Thank you Sean for exposing once again the gross ineptitude of the public school system. The Treaty of Versailles, genius, forced Germany to make such exorbitant reparation payments over a prolonged number of years to the Americans, French and British, that their economy collapsed and caused inflation on a scale that no one had seen before, causing disenfranchisement throughout the country, leading to the rise of the Nazi Party.

And this all happened at the time of the Great Depression in America.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Thank you Sean for exposing once again the gross ineptitude of the public school system. The Treaty of Versailles, genius, forced Germany to make such exorbitant reparation payments over a prolonged number of years to the Americans, French and British, that their economy collapsed and caused inflation on a scale that no one had seen before, causing disenfranchisement throughout the country, leading to the rise of the Nazi Party.

Which still isn't accurate though obviously closer to correct. I could have sworn though that the hyperinflation was caused by printing dollars (marks, whatever Germans used) in unprecedented amounts driving inflation. The debt was the reason they did it but their plan was (depending on ones point of view) faulty. They were not however under any obligation to start printing money like it was going out of style. That was a choice they made.

Looking at Sean's Av, one would think he lived in Baltimore...

I just visit hell twice a week. It's a perk.

 

[Ubiquitious_too]

Which still isn't accurate though obviously closer to correct. I could have sworn though that the hyperinflation was caused by printing dollars (marks, whatever Germans used) in unprecedented amounts driving inflation. The debt was the reason they did it but their plan was (depending on ones point of view) faulty. They were not however under any obligation to start printing money like it was going out of style. That was a choice they made.



I just visit hell twice a week. It's a perk.

Go back then. PLEASE?

 

[Sean Renaud]

It wouldn't do you any good. Not that I found out prior to Brietbart getting sent down but hell has excellent Wifi. The only hard part is remembering that most of Lit is in America and the time zones are different.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Because inflation. I'm not arguing that inflation doesn't happen. I'm stating that looking at the stats raising the minimum wage doesn't drive inflation. Inflation just happens.

I'm prejudiced. That doesn't make me wrong.

Taxation of corporations (that includes MW) drives inflation, it inflates my products it inflates gas, milk you name it CONSUMERS pay the taxes on it, NOT gazzilionaire CEO. The proof is in the fuckin' pudding.

No 15/hr won't cause an inflation spike, but it will drive it.

But if you made MW 1,000 dollars an hr, I guarantee you it would collapse the fucking economy over god damn night.

Everything. Companies can't just simply be more expensive, if the Chinese or any other stays cheap. Minimum wage, if ever, means just less profit. Or killing of an already ill cutted business running on the back of ill cheap labors.

LOL yes the fuck they can......if China beats them because you taxed them the fuck out of business, congratulations liburhul derp, you just forced another company out of business and sent those jobs to China.

It does not mean less profit, it means higher prices at the register. That's why the MW workers are as destitute as ever and Wal Mart is FILTHY fucking rich.

YOU CAN'T TAX A COMPANY, you can only tax it's consumers. MW is a tax.

Prices are made out of supply and demand.

And taxes.....you might think tax money just gets miracle into existence by corporate entities but it's just not true. Every single fuckin' dollar of tax a company pays comes out of the consumers pockets as a part of the price of their products/services, no exceptions.

Doesn't coincide with my experience. Yes, it kills very very small ones that can only compete about the price. But that's no pity, as it's in any way dangerous to work for such enterprises, and without minimum wage, the better and more honest companies would be killed by these very small ones. I'm very happy this problem is solved for some branches here in Germany.

Glad you support Wal Mart and their economic enslavement of poor people around the globe!

It helped our debt - before WWII. For the price of killing a lot of savings. It's not the king's way, but a lot of countries cure their economy about inflation, f.e Turkey. It's been said that Greece would be out of debt problems without the Euro - because they could do inflation, as most people there don't got much to lose.

English or Korean please.

You call it punishment, I call it forced solidarity. Better taxing them, as they can afford it, then the workers, who can't.

Forced solidarity? LMFAO....

 

[JackLuis]

The Taxation of non-productive, that is those who just shuffle paper and skim off 40%, for their cut, would not add to inflation. Aka Hedge funds, Stock Marketeers, Big Banksters and the like if taxed 90-99% would change the dynamic of wealth control in this country.

Closing loop holes before the wealth of our nation is sent off to offshore accounts, might help too. Maybe even invading the Cayman Islands and seizing their financial records might yield some recoverable funds? Jesus knows, the Marine Corps might even be a money making proposition!

Obama promised bold actions and we got more fucking wars!

When are we going to get a Person on a White Horse in the White House and not a horses ass? We give the guy control of the most powerful forces in the world, only limited by the Constitution and these fucking assholes are so cowardly that they won't even face up to those who would plunder the world!

You can whine and bitch on a porn board all you want but until we demand a competent and effective Executive with the guts to confront our situation we are just decades from catastrophic ruin.

But, Cheer up! I hear Mliey has a new album, get it on I-Tunes.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Taxation of corporations (that includes MW) drives inflation, it inflates my products it inflates gas, milk you name it CONSUMERS pay the taxes on it, NOT gazzilionaire CEO. The proof is in the fuckin' pudding.

No 15/hr won't cause an inflation spike, but it will drive it.

But if you made MW 1,000 dollars an hr, I guarantee you it would collapse the fucking economy over god damn night.
.

Then why doesn't it change when we lower taxes or don't raise the MW for an extended period of time? Why does inflation remain pretty much the goddamn same no matter what we do? You must have a theory on why it doesn't seem to react much to anything.

 

[PoppingTom]

LOL yes the fuck they can......if China beats them because you taxed them the fuck out of business, congratulations liburhul derp, you just forced another company out of business and sent those jobs to China.

Yes, exactly these things happen. Proof that you indeed can tax companies, and they can't just simply be more expensive.

And I think we had that already: though we tax the hell out of our companies, even American brands like Ford produce in Germany. German brands produce in America, but in China, too, but all the German original fabs are still working.

you might think tax money just gets miracle into existence by corporate entities

Not only entities, mostly turnovers. But yes, they can tax you to death for only the entities.

I know, you wanna tell me the turnovers are made by the customers, that's right, but prices aren't made out of taxes. Taxes have an impact on the price, yes, but the price is made out of supply and demand. Companies will still be superexpensive, as long as they get their shit sold, even if they had to pay no taxes at all. They will stay cheap if competition force them to do so, even with 50% tax.

Glad you support Wal Mart and their economic enslavement of poor people around the globe!

I'm glad I can read and wrote the exact opposite. Never knew that Wal-Mart got minimum wage around the world. Never knew that minimum wage is enslavement.

English or Korean please.

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Naa, that stuff's too high for your pot fretted mind.

Forced solidarity? LMFAO....

I don't believe your fairytales of heartblooded good and altruistic CEOs of big companies that award their brave low paid workers with a trickle-down economy.

 

[PoppingTom]

The Taxation of non-productive, that is those who just shuffle paper and skim off 40%, for their cut, would not add to inflation. Aka Hedge funds, Stock Marketeers, Big Banksters and the like if taxed 90-99% would change the dynamic of wealth control in this country.

Closing loop holes before the wealth of our nation is sent off to offshore accounts, might help too. Maybe even invading the Cayman Islands and seizing their financial records might yield some recoverable funds? Jesus knows, the Marine Corps might even be a money making proposition!

Have you ever heard about whistleblowing regarding tax evaders?

 

[JackLuis]

Have you ever heard about whistleblowing regarding tax evaders?

It is closing the loopholes that would make it a crime to fuck over the country and only pay 15%.

Besides whistle blowing is dangerous in the Obama-Bush-Clinton era. Most of them end up being prosecuted for telling the truth.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The Taxation of non-productive, that is those who just shuffle paper and skim off 40%, for their cut, would not add to inflation. Aka Hedge funds, Stock Marketeers, Big Banksters and the like if taxed 90-99% would change the dynamic of wealth control in this country.

If we were talking about taxing the 1% you would have a point, but we aren't talking about that we are talking about taxing a company, not the billionaire scum bags themselves.

You can whine and bitch on a porn board all you want but until we demand a competent and effective Executive with the guts to confront our situation we are just decades from catastrophic ruin.

But, Cheer up! I hear Mliey has a new album, get it on I-Tunes.

Executive and a large share of representative in both the house and senate cuz there are some fuckin' doozies up there.

Then why doesn't it change when we lower taxes or don't raise the MW for an extended period of time? Why does inflation remain pretty much the goddamn same no matter what we do? You must have a theory on why it doesn't seem to react much to anything.

Mostly because MW is a small part of a larger picture, especially at the rates they are talking about. Like I said, make MW 1k/hr and I guarantee you there will be a response.

And we haven't lowered corporate tax rates we just disguise them as a bunch of 'regulations' that are really just fuckin' taxes, arbitrary bullshit costs incurred by the state so some nose picker can have a 20/hr job with full bennies and a pension filing the paperwork.

We haven't really done shit except shift the tax burden from teh rich, to the corporations (consumers and thus fucking poor people the hardest) because that $0.03 increase here and that $0.08 there hurt 30k/yr a whole lot more than 150+/yr.

But hey, keep on taxing the fucking balls off of corporations, running jobs off to China and making it laughably easy for uber corps to crush competition....working great so far!

 

[Ubiquitious_too]

The Taxation of non-productive, that is those who just shuffle paper and skim off 40%, for their cut, would not add to inflation. Aka Hedge funds, Stock Marketeers, Big Banksters and the like if taxed 90-99% would change the dynamic of wealth control in this country.

Closing loop holes before the wealth of our nation is sent off to offshore accounts, might help too. Maybe even invading the Cayman Islands and seizing their financial records might yield some recoverable funds? Jesus knows, the Marine Corps might even be a money making proposition!

Obama promised bold actions and we got more fucking wars!

When are we going to get a Person on a White Horse in the White House and not a horses ass? We give the guy control of the most powerful forces in the world, only limited by the Constitution and these fucking assholes are so cowardly that they won't even face up to those who would plunder the world!

You can whine and bitch on a porn board all you want but until we demand a competent and effective Executive with the guts to confront our situation we are just decades from catastrophic ruin.

But, Cheer up! I hear Mliey has a new album, get it on I-Tunes.

Very typical of one from La La Land California. That's why businesses are fleeing your State and letting you hold the bag.
The Jug-Eared Jackass was anything but your Savior on a white horse.
Obviously, you voted for the wrong reasons again.
Sorry you're such a poor Socialist in a Caitalistic country. Why don't you move to a Socialist nation? You don't belong here. You can't survive here.

 

[phrodeau]

If you overtax the consumers they'll have less to spend, and will drive the companies out of business just as fast as foreign competition.

 

[PoppingTom]

You don't belong here. You can't survive here.

That's what we all want: survive, instead of living.....

 

[BotanyBoy]

Very typical of one from La La Land California. That's why businesses are fleeing your State and letting you hold the bag.

LOL businesses are fleeing?

You listen to too much talk radio, if people were fleeing it wouldn't cost 5,000 bucks a month for a shit hole in Oakland that lasts no more than 24hrs on the market because snatched up.

Our fucking weed industry is bigger than most states GDP LOL

The Jug-Eared Jackass was anything but your Savior on a white horse.
Obviously, you voted for the wrong reasons again.
Sorry you're such a poor Socialist in a Caitalistic country. Why don't you move to a Socialist nation? You don't belong here. You can't survive here.

Since when was the USA a capitalist country?

 

[BotanyBoy]

If you overtax the consumers they'll have less to spend, and will drive the companies out of business just as fast as foreign competition.

NUH UH!!! COMPANIES MIRACLE TAX MONEY INTO EXISTENCE!! TAXES HAVE NO EFFECT ON THE ECONOMY!!


LOL

 

[NeverEndingMe]

And this all happened at the time of the Great Depression in America.

and look at what your german retards gave us ... Hitler.

now America has Hitler 2.0

 

[NeverEndingMe]

If you overtax the consumers they'll have less to spend, and will drive the companies out of business just as fast as foreign competition.

shut the fuck up ... no! say it isn't so, obama slave

 

[DeYaKen]

and look at what your german retards gave us ... Hitler.

now America has Hitler 2.0

Don't talk about Mr Trump like that, he's nowhere near that powerful...Yet.

 

[Sean Renaud]

If we were talking about taxing the 1% you would have a point, but we aren't talking about that we are talking about taxing a company, not the billionaire scum bags themselves.

-snip-

Mostly because MW is a small part of a larger picture, especially at the rates they are talking about. Like I said, make MW 1k/hr and I guarantee you there will be a response.

And we haven't lowered corporate tax rates we just disguise them as a bunch of 'regulations' that are really just fuckin' taxes, arbitrary bullshit costs incurred by the state so some nose picker can have a 20/hr job with full bennies and a pension filing the paperwork.

We haven't really done shit except shift the tax burden from teh rich, to the corporations (consumers and thus fucking poor people the hardest) because that $0.03 increase here and that $0.08 there hurt 30k/yr a whole lot more than 150+/yr.

But hey, keep on taxing the fucking balls off of corporations, running jobs off to China and making it laughably easy for uber corps to crush competition....working great so far!

there doesn't seem to be an effective difference between taxing the rich and taxing their businesses. They are going to react in the same ways for the same reasons. I don't deny we've spent a long time shifting the burden to the poor an middle class, nor do I deny that nickels and dimes mean more the poor and middle class than they do the rich.

What I'm saying is that raising the minimum wage does not drive inflation. Inflation drives inflation and your assertioin while most likely true (Though perhaps less stupid than it sounds if economists are correct about the MW being way to low) is still kinda like this.

Man: Dying. Need water.
BotBoy: I bet this guy wouldn't ask for water if I gave him a pair of concrete shoes and dropped him in the lake eh Jimmy?
Renaud: Maybe a Gatorade would help?
BotBoy: He either makes due drinking the sweat outta mah socks or he can find out how long he can tread water eh Jimmy?

Very typical of one from La La Land California. That's why businesses are fleeing your State and letting you hold the bag.
The Jug-Eared Jackass was anything but your Savior on a white horse.
Obviously, you voted for the wrong reasons again.
Sorry you're such a poor Socialist in a Caitalistic country. Why don't you move to a Socialist nation? You don't belong here. You can't survive here.

They are doing a poor job of fleeing the state. And many of whom are fleeing are heading to New York. We're simply better.

Obama was not a savior, not that most of us expected him to be one. He was a dissapointment I'll add but he got stuck with people like you and refused to step up. I didn't vote for him (at all) for the wrong reasons. I just had more faith in A era than she seems to deserves.

There is no such thing as a capitalist nation. Nobody is stupid enough to even try that shit.

NUH UH!!! COMPANIES MIRACLE TAX MONEY INTO EXISTENCE!! TAXES HAVE NO EFFECT ON THE ECONOMY!!


LOL

They have an effect, they aren't the end all be all however.

and look at what your german retards gave us ... Hitler.

now America has Hitler 2.0

Trump hasn't won yet.

 

[JackLuis]

Very typical of one from La La Land California. That's why businesses are fleeing your State and letting you hold the bag.
The Jug-Eared Jackass was anything but your Savior on a white horse.
Obviously, you voted for the wrong reasons again.
Sorry you're such a poor Socialist in a Caitalistic country. Why don't you move to a Socialist nation? You don't belong here. You can't survive here.

Oh U2, I am a capitalist, sort of. I believe in the freedom to sell in a competitive market, but that is not what we have here in 'Merica.

I just don't believe in WAR Inc. I don't believe in government for the 1%. What I do believe in is "Equality before the Law" and "Liberty and JUSTICE for ALL."

If I had been in Obama's shoes, 'GW', Cheney and the Neo-Con's would have been sent to the Hague in Feb 2009 to answer for their war crimes, the Banksters would have had to give up 60% of their stock to get bailed out and a good many of their minions would have lost their liberty over the great fraud in the mortgage markets.

I would have kicked the SEC and the FTC into next week for collusion with the industries they were supposed to regulate and DOJ would have investigated a whole lot of the police in this country. I would have use my Congressional Majority to pass Single Payer Health Insurance and called for Hemp to be legalized.

I have voted in every election since 1968, except one midterm, and except for being fooled by Richard Nixon, have been proud of my voting. It hasn't done me much good, but I persevere.

So before you jump on my ass, tell us all what you would have done to "Trim the Sails of the Republic?"

 

[Ubiquitious_too]

Oh U2, I am a capitalist, sort of. I believe in the freedom to sell in a competitive market, but that is not what we have here in 'Merica.

I just don't believe in WAR Inc. I don't believe in government for the 1%. What I do believe in is "Equality before the Law" and "Liberty and JUSTICE for ALL."

If I had been in Obama's shoes, 'GW', Cheney and the Neo-Con's would have been sent to the Hague in Feb 2009 to answer for their war crimes, the Banksters would have had to give up 60% of their stock to get bailed out and a good many of their minions would have lost their liberty over the great fraud in the mortgage markets.

I would have kicked the SEC and the FTC into next week for collusion with the industries they were supposed to regulate and DOJ would have investigated a whole lot of the police in this country. I would have use my Congressional Majority to pass Single Payer Health Insurance and called for Hemp to be legalized.

I have voted in every election since 1968, except one midterm, and except for being fooled by Richard Nixon, have been proud of my voting. It hasn't done me much good, but I persevere.

So before you jump on my ass, tell us all what you would have done to "Trim the Sails of the Republic?"

First of all Bot Boy says Taxes have no effect on the Economy? Well, he obviously never studied Economics at any level. Taxes restrict the marginal propensity to Save AND the marginal propensity to consume since Tax increases are ALWAYS enacted at a higher marginal differential than (pay check), earnings increases on a macro level.
I know those are big words and even bigger concepts for you to comprehend, but it is true.

And, for you, JACK IN THE BOX, (Jack Luis- You poor bastard) you're still blaming Bush Cheney for things? What an ass you are. The Jug-Eared Jackass has F'd up this entire country with your liberal BS and, COMPANIES ARE FLEEING YOUR CRAZY STATE LIKE SHEEP FROM A WOLF !!

The US has the highest Corporate Tax in the World.

Check the Stats, dumbass.

 

[Sean Renaud]

First of all Bot Boy says Taxes have no effect on the Economy? Well, he obviously never studied Economics at any level. Taxes restrict the marginal propensity to Save AND the marginal propensity to consume since Tax increases are ALWAYS enacted at a higher marginal differential than (pay check), earnings increases on a macro level.
I know those are big words and even bigger concepts for you to comprehend, but it is true.

And, for you, JACK IN THE BOX, (Jack Luis- You poor bastard) you're still blaming Bush Cheney for things? What an ass you are. The Jug-Eared Jackass has F'd up this entire country with your liberal BS and, COMPANIES ARE FLEEING YOUR CRAZY STATE LIKE SHEEP FROM A WOLF !!

The US has the highest Corporate Tax in the World.

Check the Stats, dumbass.

No, you're mistaking me and Bot, not that I said taxes have no effect on the economy. Simply that they do not seem to be the primary driving force in inflation. If you think you're using big words you should attempt to break it down Barny style, if of course you actually understand what you're parroting.

Bush/Chenney will be responsible for a great many things years and years from now. Companies are fleeing my state like sheep from a wolf? Seriously, you must have stats on this.

I'm not sure I really care what our Corporate Tax is but given we know there are several companies that pay zero or are even paid it clealry isn't high enough.