have race relations in the US deteriorated since obama came to power?

[ms_ann_thrope]

Aaaw, he may or may not have been our arch nemisis

Who is "our"? Are you on some kind of team?

 

[Que]

Comic effect, that's called. If you don't like the picture I paint of your contemporaries, tell them not to make it so easy. I won't even say that he's failed - I'll simply say that motherfuckers will always be motherfuckers, and that the civil among us must simply render them irrelevant. Call it "The Wise Man's Burden."

Cobbling together racist tropes from YOUR imaginations was caused by others "making it easy?"

You are being a caricature of a liberal sputtering out some insults in order to deflect from their losing logic.

I would assume that you were just trolling and not serious, if you had an history of doing that. Since you obviously don't engage in polite discourse with conservatives and likely so not associate with any, is this what you and your smug liberal friends amuse each other with after watching Rachel Maddow?

This is actually the depth of your experience with people that disagree with your ill-informed fantasy of a future utopia?

You think you honestly think your screed was a civil rendering irrelevant of your imagined foes by you as a self-described "wiseman?"

That whole bit was only a minor step above Jen's "wise"cracks about smoking ass-juice and welfare, whatever any of that means.

In all seriousness are you high? Given to manic personality shifts?

 

[Que]

I'd ask what Query's requirements were for equality but I feel like that would be a headache and a half and I don't want to unleash that kind of ignorance onto the world. Apparently the constitution was wrong. All folk aren't created equal and it's perfectly acceptable to give one group harsher treatment than another, longer sentences for the same crime, a smaller higher rate even tho they hold more degrees, etcetera.

I SAID that sentencing is a problem, and one that Obama's JUSTICE department could very well choose to meddle with.

Nice that you agree with Ron Paul on the issue, since he is the only one actually doing anything about it.

 

[Que]

Yeah, mostly a judicial problems. There are few overtly racist laws, 99% of the problem is in the way the laws are handled, by the judicial branch, from judges to cops and so forth. The presidency isn't that powerful. He would have to join with the senate to check the judicial branch, which he's tried to do several times, but the senate couldn't agree to cooperate. In the past 8 years there have been so many senate debauchals that we are barely standing.

Why do you think the president has absolute power? Not being the most powerful person in the country was the EXACT REASON the presidency was created with the system of checks and balances. We didn't want another monarchy. And the other branches have checked the hell out of this president. You know this already. You remember making the poster in 3rd grade.

this rant isnt even accurate, but for the sake of discussion you do know that Democrats hold the presidency and the senate?

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

So, justice should be delved out in accordance with a quota system and that will fix everything? I'm not seeing the big picture, obviously.

 

[girlsmiley]

What the hell are you talking about?

I'm only here to sit in Ann's lap.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

I'm only here to sit in Ann's lap.

I thought you mad at me?

 

[CandiCame]

Who is "our"? Are you on some kind of team?

Yeah. The Board Games. We have costumes and everything. We're supposed to have a theme but our music guy is a lazy ass.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

Yeah. The Board Games. We have costumes and everything. We're supposed to have a theme but our music guy is a lazy ass.

And I'm the one stuck in the third grade?

 

[Que]

So, justice should be delved out in accordance with a quota system and that will fix everything? I'm not seeing the big picture, obviously.

That kind of what the justice Department has been doing. Just not to the benefit of blacks in particular. But he could if that's what liberals suggest is a problem.

Sentencing guidelines are made up out of whole cloth. deciding which drug gets how much time in what weight with no consideration whatsoever of the purity of the drug seized or the adulterants in it is retarded.

Rather than fix that through out all prohibitions and let people poison their own body as they see fit.

No one that is pro killing a human in utero can possibly support the government having a say in what you put into ones own body. Their body their choice.

That said the drug war is only a component of the problem and a lot of blacks are in prison for violent crimes against other blacks and the fact that it tangentially involved drugs is inconsequential.

 

[girlsmiley]

I thought you mad at me?

No.

Sorry for being a bit of a nut.

 

[CandiCame]

What the hell are you talking about?

I'm talking about the same thing I was talking about before. The racist problems in our society that are governmental rather than social are mostly handled via the judicial branch. There are entire sociology classes that you can take on this, but a quick google of the prison industrial complex will answer a lot of your questions. Basically, minorities are tried and convinced harsher than white folk for the same crimes. This is done because the states has a law that says that prisons can still practice slavery; prison labor is done at far under minimum wage, for far longer hours, and is used as a nearly free labor force. In Ky we make around $10,000 per convict in the system. When these laws were first written the slaves had just been freed and they were put in place to preserve slavery, however they were written in accordance with the 14th amendment that means that there is no overt racial language in the laws, but in practice, they are unfairly applied to POC. We, as a society, have agreed that we're allowed to work you like a dog to pay off your debt to society, because you committed a crime, especially if it's a violent crime, you can still get out breaking rocks or making license plate or whatever old timey chores they can find for you because fuck you, you're a prisoner. We aren't angry at the law making branches because we see the laws as just. We're mad at the judicial branch because it unfairly targets POC. Thus my assertion that is it the application of the law, rather than the drafting or approval of the law, where the problem lies.

 

[CandiCame]

And I'm the one stuck in the third grade?

That's what goes down in Sean's vanity thread.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

I'm talking about the same thing I was talking about before. The racist problems in our society that are governmental rather than social are mostly handled via the judicial branch. There are entire sociology classes that you can take on this, but a quick google of the prison industrial complex will answer a lot of your questions. Basically, minorities are tried and convinced harsher than white folk for the same crimes. This is done because the states has a law that says that prisons can still practice slavery; prison labor is done at far under minimum wage, for far longer hours, and is used as a nearly free labor force. In Ky we make around $10,000 per convict in the system. When these laws were first written the slaves had just been freed and they were put in place to preserve slavery, however they were written in accordance with the 14th amendment that means that there is no overt racial language in the laws, but in practice, they are unfairly applied to POC. We, as a society, have agreed that we're allowed to work you like a dog to pay off your debt to society, because you committed a crime, especially if it's a violent crime, you can still get out breaking rocks or making license plate or whatever old timey chores they can find for you because fuck you, you're a prisoner. We aren't angry at the law making branches because we see the laws as just. We're mad at the judicial branch because it unfairly targets POC. Thus my assertion that is it the application of the law, rather than the drafting or approval of the law, where the problem lies.

You do realize that most of that judicin' is black on black crime, right?

 

[CandiCame]

You do realize that most of that judicin' is black on black crime, right?

In roughly the same numbers as white on white crime. Most crime, in general is intraracial rather than interracial because we have a social racism issue where we tend to self-segregate.

Edit: This probably doesn't need to be said, but a white guy robs white folk because there are more white folk in his neighborhood, and a black guy robs a black folk because there are more black folk in his neighborhood. But there are approximately the same amount of white and black robbers per capita. Yet the black robber will get a sentence 60% longer, on average, than the white robber, for the same crime of violent robbery. This applies not just to violent crime but to possession and whatnot too. So we're getting 60% more slavery out of the black guy, for no reason other than a systematic racial bias. That's where the problem lies.

 

[Que]

I'm talking about the same thing I was talking about before. The racist problems in our society that are governmental rather than social are mostly handled via the judicial branch. There are entire sociology classes that you can take on this, but a quick google of the prison industrial complex will answer a lot of your questions. Basically, minorities are tried and convinced harsher than white folk for the same crimes. This is done because the states has a law that says that prisons can still practice slavery; prison labor is done at far under minimum wage, for far longer hours, and is used as a nearly free labor force. In Ky we make around $10,000 per convict in the system. When these laws were first written the slaves had just been freed and they were put in place to preserve slavery, however they were written in accordance with the 14th amendment that means that there is no overt racial language in the laws, but in practice, they are unfairly applied to POC. We, as a society, have agreed that we're allowed to work you like a dog to pay off your debt to society, because you committed a crime, especially if it's a violent crime, you can still get out breaking rocks or making license plate or whatever old timey chores they can find for you because fuck you, you're a prisoner. We aren't angry at the law making branches because we see the laws as just. We're mad at the judicial branch because it unfairly targets POC. Thus my assertion that is it the application of the law, rather than the drafting or approval of the law, where the problem lies.

Are out of you mind? Do you have any idea how much it costs per person for incarceration? Yes private prison corporations are getting rich, but not over arts and crafts by inmates.

Government run prisons do not turn a profit much less the laughable sum of 10,000 per prisoner. according to you they are netting one million dollars cold hard cash for every one hundred prisoners. It costs $77 a day net to house a prisoner in Kentucky.

..and it has nothing to do with slavery.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

In roughly the same numbers as white on white crime. Most crime, in general is intraracial rather than interracial because we have a social racism issue where we tend to self-segregate.

I find it convenient that your excuse for Obama's inability to improve the racial divide in this country is because he doesn't control the judicial system. lol.

"Damn, if we only had all those judges on the payroll too we could fix this thing."

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

That's what goes down in Sean's vanity thread.

Yeah...I don't know what that means.

 

[Que]

In roughly the same numbers as white on white crime. Most crime, in general is intraracial rather than interracial because we have a social racism issue where we tend to self-segregate.

Edit: This probably doesn't need to be said, but a white guy robs white folk because there are more white folk in his neighborhood, and a black guy robs a black folk because there are more black folk in his neighborhood. But there are approximately the same amount of white and black robbers per capita. Yet the black robber will get a sentence 60% longer, on average, than the white robber, for the same crime of violent robbery. This applies not just to violent crime but to possession and whatnot too. So we're getting 60% more slavery out of the black guy, for no reason other than a systematic racial bias. That's where the problem lies.

Not even close in black on black crime as a percentage of their population. Blacks are a small percentage of the population and they are 50 percent of violent crime victims and perpetrators.

 

[Que]

I find it convenient that your excuse for Obama's inability to improve the racial divide in this country is because he doesn't control the judicial system. lol.

"Damn, if we only had all those judges on the payroll too we could fix this thing."

And federal judges ARE subject to being impeached. They ARE appointed by the executive branch.

The depth of what he doesn't know while telling everyone else how there are "classes about these things!!" is mildly amusing.

 

[CandiCame]

I find it convenient that your excuse for Obama's inability to improve the racial divide in this country is because he doesn't control the judicial system. lol.

"Damn, if we only had all those judges on the payroll too we could fix this thing."

It's not his job to do that, tho? The judges ARE on the federal payroll, and they need to be held accountable. The other branches of government can challenge them, and the president has tried, but it has to be the executive AND legislative branches together to check. And congress won't get on board.

I've made fun of the president quite a bit, because believe it or not, I'm not a huge fan. But that doesn't mean that I don't know what his actual job is. If I want to bitch about lawmaking, I'll bitch at the legislative branch. And I do. I've mentioned how much we need to get McConnell out of office because of lawmaking that I disagree with. If I want to bitch about law application, I'll bitch about judges and cops. If I want to bitch about crisis management or agenda setting, I'll bitch about the president. You have to direct your bitching to the people who can actually fix it. Me writing the president to fix a judicial problem is just stupid. Me writing a judge to fix a legislative problem is stupid.

 

[CandiCame]

Not even close in black on black crime as a percentage of their population. Blacks are a small percentage of the population and they are 50 percent of violent crime victims and perpetrators.

I thought that was a source because it was underlined. Weird how it wasn't. Since you obviously just pulled it outta your ass.

And not all judges are appointed, some are elected and either way that doesn't make them the executive branch. Jesus Christ when did you go to school?

 

[Que]

I think he can I think he can I think he can.

This will be known as the "Presidency that tried!" And by "Tried" his apologists mean he did absolutely not a single concrete thing beyond fundraising and giving campaign speeches. For 8 years now. Even his "signature" legislation that bears his name was given to the pet lobbyists of Pelosi and Reid to write.

What, exactly has he said or done to address any of the problems you have raised, Candi?

He sure hasn't announced any support for the Paul-Booker bill.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

It's not his job to do that, tho? The judges ARE on the federal payroll, and they need to be held accountable. The other branches of government can challenge them, and the president has tried, but it has to be the executive AND legislative branches together to check. And congress won't get on board.

I've made fun of the president quite a bit, because believe it or not, I'm not a huge fan. But that doesn't mean that I don't know what his actual job is. If I want to bitch about lawmaking, I'll bitch at the legislative branch. And I do. I've mentioned how much we need to get McConnell out of office because of lawmaking that I disagree with. If I want to bitch about law application, I'll bitch about judges and cops. If I want to bitch about crisis management or agenda setting, I'll bitch about the president. You have to direct your bitching to the people who can actually fix it. Me writing the president to fix a judicial problem is just stupid. Me writing a judge to fix a legislative problem is stupid.

What?

 

[CandiCame]

What?

What don't you understand?