Hey, gun nuts!

[unregistered]

 

[Peregrinator]

Nothing like gun laws written by people who know absolutely nothing about them.

That's true of all sorts of realms of human endeavor. Medicine, finance, land management, energy, foreign policy...it goes on and on, but nowhere does it seem quite as glaring as with guns.

 

[Byron In Exile]

Can you buy it without registering it with the state and obtaining a license plate?

If you planned to have it towed from the dealership to your property, and never drive it on public roads, I'm sure something could be arranged.

But... who does that?

 

[Byron In Exile]

Maybe this could be similar; you only need the piece of paper to take the gun(s) off your own property. I see that here in VT, the most liberal gun state in the country, that I need to pass a hunter safety course to get a hunting license. I'm okay with that.

It's not about taking something "off your own property," it's about taking something onto government property. Specifically, the same government that builds and maintains roads, streets, highways, and freeways, while it doesn't charge directly for your use of them, does require that any vehicle driven or parked on them be registered with the State, and that any driver piloting a vehicle on them be licensed by the State.

 

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[Byron In Exile]

I think the car still has to be registered, no matter how it's used as the registration is a use tax. I couldn't find anything in the Vehicle code that says cars on private property are exempt.

Why would they say that? Their goal is total compliance. Why would they shoot themselves in the foot by letting you know what your rights are?

That would be like finding a passage in the DMV handbook that assures you that you can refuse to let the police search your car without probable cause.

There have been cases when cars parked in private driveways but visible from the street and are non operable can still be ticketed for not having up to date tags. I think it's in the courts but some police agencies are doing it just the same.

Yeah, and police can now break down your door without warning, and the government can eavesdrop on your phone conversations. Remember the hot water Nixon got into for "illegal wiretaps"? All that shit is legal, now.

"There have been cases" isn't a valid legal justification for anything. The government always has and always will attempt to extend its power over you in every facet of your life and by any means at its disposal, because that's what governments do. They want stability, and they acquire that through control over people.

As far as whether a right is a "Constitutional right" or not, I'd suggest you revisit the Ninth Amendment: "The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

 

[Byron In Exile]

I think the car still has to be registered, no matter how it's used as the registration is a use tax.

In California:

Planned Non-Operation (PNO) — Contact DMV before moving your PNO vehicle; you may be issued a Moving Permit for certain purposes. If a vehicle with a PNO status is operated, parked, towed, or left standing on a public street or highway, it may be subject to citation or impoundment and the payment of fees and penalties for late registration. Other laws, ordinances, or codes of your local jurisdiction may be applicable to your PNO vehicle.

So that answers that question: you can't drive it, park it, or even tow it on government roads without at least a PNO registration.

But, hey — their roads, their rules.

PNO is cheap though, like $18 per year.

 

[Byron In Exile]

That's my point. By that logic, I get to build a nuke in my basement.

I don't see the "logic" you're referring to.

You also needed papers for that, though.

You needed papers then because they didn't have plastic cards with magnetized strips.

 

[Byron In Exile]

As you re-call, huh?

Do you also re-call the call to arms from the right wing to pass gun control laws because of fear of an armed black insurrection?

Did you stand up for the right to bear arms at that time, for the Black Panthers?

Well, that's... y'know... different and stuff.

Because, as Confucius said, "It only takes one or two uppity Negroes to wreck a whole fiesta."

(I'm paraphrasing, obviously.)

 

[Byron In Exile]

Clearly. That muzzle break makes it impossible to kill police officers and small children.

But, "at least they're doing something!"

 

[Byron In Exile]

One of my all-time favorite posts on Lit was in an ancient thread entitled something like "A visual quiz for those who support the assault weapons ban" and involved the phrase "drive-by bayonettings."

If it saves even one life...

 

[richard_daily]

If you planned to have it towed from the dealership to your property, and never drive it on public roads, I'm sure something could be arranged.

But... who does that?

eeyore will come in here and claim that he does.

 

[richard_daily]

Well, that's... y'know... different and stuff.

Because, as Confucius said, "It only takes one or two uppity Negroes to wreck a whole fiesta."

(I'm paraphrasing, obviously.)

Totally different.

Those folks were black.

 

[koalabear]

I think the car still has to be registered, no matter how it's used as the registration is a use tax. I couldn't find anything in the Vehicle code that says cars on private property are exempt. There have been cases when cars parked in private driveways but visible from the street and are non operable can still be ticketed for not having up to date tags. I think it's in the courts but some police agencies are doing it just the same.

All un-registered vehicles in Indiana are considered junk and can be towed away if they do not have a current plate on them.

 

[Peregrinator]

A friend is offering me a Smith made Walther PPK in .380 for $250. What do you think, gun nuts?

 

[richard_daily]

A friend is offering me a Smith made Walther PPK in .380 for $250. What do you think, gun nuts?

If it's an older model, in good condition, snatch it up.

 

[Peregrinator]

If it's an older model, in good condition, snatch it up.

I didn't ask him what year. Why older? Were they better or just worth more?

 

[koalabear]

A friend is offering me a Smith made Walther PPK in .380 for $250. What do you think, gun nuts?

S&W does not make Walthers, they are the sole USA distributor for them.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/

OOPs, apparently they do make some for them.

In 1978, Ranger Manufacturing of Gadsden, Alabama was licensed to manufacture the PPK and PPK/S; this version was distributed by Interarms of Alexandria, Virginia. This license was eventually canceled. Starting in 2002, Smith & Wesson (S&W) began manufacturing the PPK and PPK/S under license. In February 2009, S&W issued a recall for PPKs it manufactured for a defect in the hammer block safety.[6]

 

[richard_daily]

I didn't ask him what year. Why older? Were they better or just worth more?

Yeah, made sturdier, although I'm not sure what parts on a PPK would be plastic other than the grips.

Walther is generally quality all the way around.

It's a pain in the ass to change a barrel on them, but that's not generally an issue unless you've put 4 or 5k down it. Probably fairly unlikely. They're a very comfortable model to shoot.

$250 is actually probably a decent deal on it no matter what thinking on it. If I were you, and you wanted it, I'd pick it up.

 

[unregistered]

 

[Peregrinator]

Yeah, made sturdier, although I'm not sure what parts on a PPK would be plastic other than the grips.

Walther is generally quality all the way around.

It's a pain in the ass to change a barrel on them, but that's not generally an issue unless you've put 4 or 5k down it. Probably fairly unlikely. They're a very comfortable model to shoot.

$250 is actually probably a decent deal on it no matter what thinking on it. If I were you, and you wanted it, I'd pick it up.

Good chance I will when the cash flow eases in a month or two. He says he's not in a hurry to unload it so he can wait.

Which begs the question as to the true owner of the property, and whether or not such is a "taking" of private property.

What?

 

[unregistered]

 

[unregistered]

 

[koalabear]

Which begs the question as to the true owner of the property, and whether or not such is a "taking" of private property.

When you buy a new car you turn over the certificate of origin to the State, they give you a title. They have the original and can take a car and it's legal.

 

[unregistered]