Hey, gun nuts!

[radepor]

I wouldn't do anything to it

I ruined one of my dad's guns, many, many years ago by having it refurbished.
I did it for his birthday - with good intentions - or so I thought.

It was a testament to a father's love and patience with his offspring that he didn't kill me with it.

 

[Frizzle_Fry]

I ruined one of my dad's guns, many, many years ago by having it refurbished.
I did it for his birthday - with good intentions - or so I thought.

It was a testament to a father's love and patience with his offspring that he didn't kill me with it.

We all screw up, I paid good money for an AK once.

 

[Peregrinator]

We all screw up, I paid good money for an AK once.

I like AK's. How much did you pay?

 

[Peregrinator]

I'll hear no more about the recoil of a .284. Lady P shot it today and enjoyed it. She's fit and strong, but she's only 5'4" and around 125 pounds.

The .38 shoots great, a lot of fun, too small for my hand. FIL's .22 is a goof; with subsonic rounds it sounds like an air rifle.

Also, who knew this existed? The zombie took one from maybe ten feet away, which gives an idea of the spread. The wadding hit him above the eye. The other holes are .284 with some trigger jerk issues...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/Peregrinator/IMG_0329.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/Peregrinator/IMG_0330.jpg

 

[thør]

Need Targets?

http://www.survivaltraining.com/gallery/2006%20Photos/slides/Shooting%20Range%20Five.JPG

 

[thør]

Also, who knew this existed?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/Peregrinator/IMG_0329.jpg
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For rats?

and ptarmigan that run too fast.

 

[Peregrinator]

Need Targets?

http://www.survivaltraining.com/gallery/2006%20Photos/slides/Shooting%20Range%20Five.JPG

I love it. Lady P would have shot me instead of one of those.

For rats?

and ptarmigan that run too fast.

I have no idea. I was ten feet away and got like a foot spread. Much further and you better be shooting stuff that one tiny little pellet will kill. Mice maybe. Crickets and shit. I guess it would be a good snake load if you're an idiot like Rick Perry.

 

[thør]

I have no idea. I was ten feet away and got like a foot spread. Much further and you better be shooting stuff that one tiny little pellet will kill. Mice maybe. Crickets and shit. I guess it would be a good snake load if you're an idiot like Rick Perry.

There's always .22 shot-loads. Totally fucking worthless.

I'm told, the .38 shot loads are commonly used for snakes. Wouldn't work well here, as we only have the 2-legged variety of snake in this state.

 

[Ishmael]

There's always .22 shot-loads. Totally fucking worthless.

I'm told, the .38 shot loads are commonly used for snakes. Wouldn't work well here, as we only have the 2-legged variety of snake in this state.

When hunting in rattlesnake country I carry a Ruger Single-Six .22 Mag. loaded with snake shot and hollow-points in alternate chambers. Good snake and jackrabbit pistol.

Ishmael

 

[Peregrinator]

There's always .22 shot-loads. Totally fucking worthless.

I'm told, the .38 shot loads are commonly used for snakes. Wouldn't work well here, as we only have the 2-legged variety of snake in this state.

I suppose you could use it on them, but I suspect it would annoy more than injure.

When hunting in rattlesnake country I carry a Ruger Single-Six .22 Mag. loaded with snake shot and hollow-points in alternate chambers. Good snake and jackrabbit pistol.

Ishmael

Ish, have you ever encountered a snake that you felt you had to shoot? I wonder about that. I'm well aware of the seriousness of an envenomation in the backcountry, but it seems to me you either get bit without warning or you get enough warning to get away safely. I'm not criticizing; I'm genuinely curious. I can totally see the jackrabbit if you get skunked and are just looking for dinner. I can also see a snake gun for someplace like East Africa, mamba territory or maybe India or Australia, where the snakes tend to give chase sometimes.

 

[Ishmael]

I suppose you could use it on them, but I suspect it would annoy more than injure.


Ish, have you ever encountered a snake that you felt you had to shoot? I wonder about that. I'm well aware of the seriousness of an envenomation in the backcountry, but it seems to me you either get bit without warning or you get enough warning to get away safely. I'm not criticizing; I'm genuinely curious. I can totally see the jackrabbit if you get skunked and are just looking for dinner. I can also see a snake gun for someplace like East Africa, mamba territory or maybe India or Australia, where the snakes tend to give chase sometimes.

There are places where rattlesnakes a extremely plentiful so I'm not all that worried about the balance of the system. Further, rattlesnake is pretty good eating so it's not as if the meat is left there to rot. The skin is also useful. So no lecture please.

BTW, moccasins will chase you. They can be damn belligerent snakes.

Ishmael

 

[Peregrinator]

There are places where rattlesnakes a extremely plentiful so I'm not all that worried about the balance of the system. Further, rattlesnake is pretty good eating so it's not as if the meat is left there to rot. The skin is also useful. So no lecture please.

BTW, moccasins will chase you. They can be damn belligerent snakes.

Ishmael

...and I tried so hard to make it sound like I wasn't lecturing. I really wasn't. I was just curious. I agree that they're good eating, and the skins are beautiful if nothing else.

Yeah, I'm aware of moccasins. They're as close as we get to mambas. I have a friend who saw one climb into the back of a pickup chasing a couple guys who raked out its nest under a dock. Flailing at the thing with rakes...she made it sound funny, but your Ruger would have been right handy.

Oh, and why .22 mag?

 

[Ishmael]

...and I tried so hard to make it sound like I wasn't lecturing. I really wasn't. I was just curious. I agree that they're good eating, and the skins are beautiful if nothing else.

Yeah, I'm aware of moccasins. They're as close as we get to mambas. I have a friend who saw one climb into the back of a pickup chasing a couple guys who raked out its nest under a dock. Flailing at the thing with rakes...she made it sound funny, but your Ruger would have been right handy.

Oh, and why .22 mag?

Why .22 mag.? Well in the first place they're quite cost effective. True, more expensive than .22LR, but very much an under-rated loading for small game. Quite accurate in both rifle and pistol. (The Ruger is a "convertible" and has a .22LR cylinder as well.)

One of the handiest guns I even had was an old Savage 24 in .22 Mag and .410. I had the .410 barrel chamber reamed to also accept 44-40 (and .45 Long Colt as well). (You can skip the reaming, but it won't shoot as well and the cases look like crap afterwards. You also don't want to do this with full choke .410 barrels. Cyl. or Imp. Cyl are the best choices.) Makes for a super survival gun capable of taking everything from small game to fowl to deer sized animals.

Savage made the gun in all sorts of combinations but I found the .22 mag./.410 to be the most versatile.

Ishmael

 

[Peregrinator]

Why .22 mag.? Well in the first place they're quite cost effective. True, more expensive than .22LR, but very much an under-rated loading for small game. Quite accurate in both rifle and pistol. (The Ruger is a "convertible" and has a .22LR cylinder as well.)

One of the handiest guns I even had was an old Savage 24 in .22 Mag and .410. I had the .410 barrel chamber reamed to also accept 44-40 (and .45 Long Colt as well). (You can skip the reaming, but it won't shoot as well and the cases look like crap afterwards. You also don't want to do this with full choke .410 barrels. Cyl. or Imp. Cyl are the best choices.) Makes for a super survival gun capable of taking everything from small game to fowl to deer sized animals.

Savage made the gun in all sorts of combinations but I found the .22 mag./.410 to be the most versatile.

Ishmael

I imagine they have a nice flat trajectory. Light to pack as well. Interesting. Do you think they're enough of a stopper to bother with as a self defense weapon?

I always get intrigued by versatile weapons like that. I'm the same way with outdoor gear. I hate the idea of owning a closet full of skis. That would indeed be a good gun for something like a long kayak trip or expedition. Put a plastic stock on it and some sort of waterproof case...

I recently saw a take-down .22 survival gun that was designed so the action and barrel fit inside the stock. Very cool.

 

[Ishmael]

I imagine they have a nice flat trajectory. Light to pack as well. Interesting. Do you think they're enough of a stopper to bother with as a self defense weapon?

I always get intrigued by versatile weapons like that. I'm the same way with outdoor gear. I hate the idea of owning a closet full of skis. That would indeed be a good gun for something like a long kayak trip or expedition. Put a plastic stock on it and some sort of waterproof case...

I recently saw a take-down .22 survival gun that was designed so the action and barrel fit inside the stock. Very cool.

The gun you speak of sounds like a variation of the old Armalite design that was done for the Air Force.

Exactly, the 24 is not necessarily a light gun, but with a plastic/nylon stock and forestock it would be light enough. It's a breakdown so fits in a pack nicely. (Although the barrel will NOT fit in the stock and I don't think I'd want it to. Barrel length and accuracy do go hand in hand to an extent.)

It's not purposely designed as a self-defense weapon and given my choices I wouldn't choose it. As a survival weapon it's one of the best if you can find one anymore. Survival weapons are by design general purpose weapons. They have to be able to do many jobs adequately, not necessarily excellently.

It's all a trade off, if you have the means to obtain game, and there is game to be had, then you don't need to pack a lot of food. If there's no game, then you better pack a lot of food. Water is a different story.

Ishmael

 

[Peregrinator]

The gun you speak of sounds like a variation of the old Armalite design that was done for the Air Force.

Exactly, the 24 is not necessarily a light gun, but with a plastic/nylon stock and forestock it would be light enough. It's a breakdown so fits in a pack nicely. (Although the barrel will NOT fit in the stock and I don't think I'd want it to. Barrel length and accuracy do go hand in hand to an extent.)

It's not purposely designed as a self-defense weapon and given my choices I wouldn't choose it. As a survival weapon it's one of the best if you can find one anymore. Survival weapons are by design general purpose weapons. They have to be able to do many jobs adequately, not necessarily excellently.

It's all a trade off, if you have the means to obtain game, and there is game to be had, then you don't need to pack a lot of food. If there's no game, then you better pack a lot of food. Water is a different story.

Ishmael

It might actually be an Armalite. I can't remember now.

For self-defense I meant the .22 mag, not the survival gun.

Exactly. The main difference being that water is either there or it's not. It doesn't hide and run away when you try to catch it. Easier to plan for. Carry it or purify it.

Oh, hey, back to versatile, what do you think of the Taurus/Rossi "Circuit Judge?"

 

[thør]

I recently saw a take-down .22 survival gun that was designed so the action and barrel fit inside the stock. Very cool.

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[Peregrinator]

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That's the one. Now I just need someone to make it in .45/.410 and I'll only need one gun...

 

[thør]

That's the one. Now I just need someone to make it in .45/.410 and I'll only need one gun...

The in-laws used to have a couple of the AR7's. They succumbed to corrosion....

 

[Ishmael]

It might actually be an Armalite. I can't remember now.

For self-defense I meant the .22 mag, not the survival gun.

Exactly. The main difference being that water is either there or it's not. It doesn't hide and run away when you try to catch it. Easier to plan for. Carry it or purify it.

Oh, hey, back to versatile, what do you think of the Taurus/Rossi "Circuit Judge?"

Yeah, I think that the design was called the AR-7. Beats nothing at all I suppose. I believe that Savage offered an over/under design in .22 hornet - .410 that was used by SAC. Really dredging in the past for that.

Is that the .410 - .45LC rifle? I'd have to shoot it to make a definitive statement. It's cute, different, and well advertised. I'll still take the '24' over it. The 24 has the advantage of 2 shots before reloading. (Albeit the CJ will be lighter due to only one barrel.) Besides, what 'versatility' does it offer in the field?

Ishmael

 

[Peregrinator]

The in-laws used to have a couple of the AR7's. They succumbed to corrosion....

Well, you live in a place that's tough on metal.

Yeah, I think that the design was called the AR-7. Beats nothing at all I suppose. I believe that Savage offered an over/under design in .22 hornet - .410 that was used by SAC. Really dredging in the past for that.

Is that the .410 - .45LC rifle? I'd have to shoot it to make a definitive statement. It's cute, different, and well advertised. I'll still take the '24' over it. The 24 has the advantage of 2 shots before reloading. (Albeit the CJ will be lighter due to only one barrel.) Besides, what 'versatility' does it offer in the field?

Ishmael

It was/is the AR-7...Thor's link is to it.

Circuit Judge is a carbine based on the Taurus revolver:

http://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Rossi-Circuit-Judge-Shotgun-Rifle.jpg

This would be five shots before reloading...and the field advantage to my mind would be that you could load it like you do the Ruger; alternating .45 LC and .410 or whatever suited the situation. Dunno. I haven't shot enough different guns to have a guess. It just seems like a good all-around single gun to me.

 

[Ishmael]

Well, you live in a place that's tough on metal.


It was/is the AR-7...Thor's link is to it.

Circuit Judge is a carbine based on the Taurus revolver:

http://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Rossi-Circuit-Judge-Shotgun-Rifle.jpg

This would be five shots before reloading...and the field advantage to my mind would be that you could load it like you do the Ruger; alternating .45 LC and .410 or whatever suited the situation. Dunno. I haven't shot enough different guns to have a guess. It just seems like a good all-around single gun to me.

Yeah, I went and looked it up. It's a reproduction of Colt's 1850 revolver rifle with the substitution of the lever for the single action of the Colt design.

I'll still take the 24 for versatility.

Ishmael

 

[Frizzle_Fry]

Yeah, I think that the design was called the AR-7. Beats nothing at all I suppose. I believe that Savage offered an over/under design in .22 hornet - .410 that was used by SAC. Really dredging in the past for that.

Is that the .410 - .45LC rifle? I'd have to shoot it to make a definitive statement. It's cute, different, and well advertised. I'll still take the '24' over it. The 24 has the advantage of 2 shots before reloading. (Albeit the CJ will be lighter due to only one barrel.) Besides, what 'versatility' does it offer in the field?

Ishmael

I have been reading the thread and wondered whats your take on the M4 for a survival weapon. Would you rather have an M4 in a survival situation over a '24'? or other .22 variant?

 

[thør]

I have been reading the thread and wondered whats your take on the M4 for a survival weapon. Would you rather have an M4 in a survival situation over a '24'? or other .22 variant?

define survival situation......

 

[Ishmael]

define survival situation......

Took the words right out of my mouth there Thor.

Ishmael