Hey, gun nuts!

[Peregrinator]

Yeah, I've seen those, but the M6 is just really fucking cool.

It is. I was just reading some reviews...I want one.

That's what the bench rest is for.

That's a thought. Maybe I could eliminate some variables.

 

[thør]

That's a thought. Maybe I could eliminate some variables.

A good rest eliminates the wobble zone.

 

[Peregrinator]

For Dick: http://www.oldjimbo.com/survival/v-shrake/m6.html

 

[Peregrinator]

A good rest eliminates the wobble zone.

Yup. Maybe a sandbag for now. I did buy a recoil pad for the rifle last night, which should help a fair bit.

 

[thør]

Yup. Maybe a sandbag for now. I did buy a recoil pad for the rifle last night, which should help a fair bit.

If you're on the bench, just trying for a group, put a sandbag between the butt and your shoulder.

 

[Peregrinator]

If you're on the bench, just trying for a group, put a sandbag between the butt and your shoulder.

That's a good idea...why can't I think of these things myself?

In other news, we finally figured out what the site picture on the .38 is supposed to look like. That made a sizable difference as well.

 

[thør]

That's a good idea...why can't I think of these things myself?

In other news, we finally figured out what the site picture on the .38 is supposed to look like. That made a sizable difference as well.

You learn a lot at the range.

 

[richard_daily]

For Dick: http://www.oldjimbo.com/survival/v-shrake/m6.html

I like that he isn't too manly to admit to using red nail polish.

 

[Ishmael]

I see. Does max pressure reduce accuracy?

Not necessarily, but it's hell on barrel life.

Each rifle is an individual and loads have to be worked up to find that 'sweet spot' as far as accuracy goes. I start about 10% below max. suggested load for any given powder/bullet combination and load up 5 rds for each .5 grain increment. Then I go shoot for group (using a bench rest as Thor has already pointed out). Within those groups there will be one (maybe two) that are better. I then go back and using what ever loading gave me the best group and load up a batch starting below the powder load that gave the best group and increase the loading by .1 grain then back to the range. Within those groups will be one or two that are outstanding and I will then use the lower of those loadings as the benchmark for that bullet and powder type.

Each bullet and power type will have it's own sweet spot and each rifle will show a decided preference for one type of powder over another and/or one bullet design/weight over another. A rifle with a slightly tighter bore will generally be more accurate than a spec. bore or looser bore, although that accuracy will be at slightly lower powder loadings and velocity. All of this is due to interior ballistics which, at best, is still a science that borders on VooDoo. (There is also 'barrel resonance.' I've seen rifles that shoot like shit have 1/2" taken off the barrel length and all of a sudden it's a tack driver.)

Ishmael

 

[thør]

(There is also 'barrel resonance.' I've seen rifles that shoot like shit have 1/2" taken off the barrel length and all of a sudden it's a tack driver.)

Ishmael

Sometimes just a new crown on the barrel will do it.

 

[Ishmael]

Sometimes just a new crown on the barrel will do it.

Yeah, I've seen that too. In this instance we cast the crown and mic'd it. Wasn't a thing wrong with it. I used that to advantage with another rifle I built up.

Ishmael

 

[unregistered]

 

[AbsintheFather]

Here's a pic for you all

http://media.egotvonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/bad-dog1.jpg

 

[Frizzle_Fry]

Here's a pic for you all

http://media.egotvonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/bad-dog1.jpg

Shame, I always make the dog take sloppy seconds.

 

[unregistered]

 

[Ishmael]

Shooters Heard: Interior Will Not Ban Target Practice
November 17, 2011

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/wa...s-heard-interior-will-not-ban-target-practice

I saw that in the news. Jesus but those bastards in DC are trying every underhanded trick in the book.

Ishmael

 

[unregistered]

 

[Ishmael]

Like the Christmas tree tax, it got turned around in a hurry.

You know what the Xmas tree tax was to be used for? To advertise the sales of Xmas trees. WTF??????!!!!!!!!!!!! More like a plan to hire more bureaucrats and reward favored Madison Ave. firms.

Ishmael

 

[unregistered]

 

[sufisaint]

Public ranges are a thing of past...most are closed or only open a few weeks before deer season with so many restrictions that it takes all the joy out off it....its a shame.

 

[Ishmael]

Public ranges are a thing of past...most are closed or only open a few weeks before deer season with so many restrictions that it takes all the joy out off it....its a shame.

Unless you join a sportsman's club you're pretty well fucked, especially in the east. Very sad.

Ishmael

 

[Bob Waters]

Unless you join a sportsman's club you're pretty well fucked, especially in the east. Very sad.

Ishmael

This. The one public range near me is full of shall we say 'less than safe' shooters as well.

 

[Peregrinator]

You learn a lot at the range.

Indeed.

I like that he isn't too manly to admit to using red nail polish.

Did he? I must have missed that. Then again, he's obviously some flavor of foreigner.

Not necessarily, but it's hell on barrel life.

Each rifle is an individual and loads have to be worked up to find that 'sweet spot' as far as accuracy goes. I start about 10% below max. suggested load for any given powder/bullet combination and load up 5 rds for each .5 grain increment. Then I go shoot for group (using a bench rest as Thor has already pointed out). Within those groups there will be one (maybe two) that are better. I then go back and using what ever loading gave me the best group and load up a batch starting below the powder load that gave the best group and increase the loading by .1 grain then back to the range. Within those groups will be one or two that are outstanding and I will then use the lower of those loadings as the benchmark for that bullet and powder type.

Each bullet and power type will have it's own sweet spot and each rifle will show a decided preference for one type of powder over another and/or one bullet design/weight over another. A rifle with a slightly tighter bore will generally be more accurate than a spec. bore or looser bore, although that accuracy will be at slightly lower powder loadings and velocity. All of this is due to interior ballistics which, at best, is still a science that borders on VooDoo. (There is also 'barrel resonance.' I've seen rifles that shoot like shit have 1/2" taken off the barrel length and all of a sudden it's a tack driver.)

Ishmael

I feel as though you're destroying my blissful ignorance millimeter by millimeter.

Public ranges are a thing of past...most are closed or only open a few weeks before deer season with so many restrictions that it takes all the joy out off it....its a shame.

Unless you join a sportsman's club you're pretty well fucked, especially in the east. Very sad.

Ishmael

You guys should move to Vermont.

 

[Ishmael]

I feel as though you're destroying my blissful ignorance millimeter by millimeter.




You guys should move to Vermont.

No need to worry that much about the .284. Lever/Pump action rifles are inherently less accurate and most are designed for woods shooting where you're going to be shooting at 100yds or less. Properly sighted in with factory ammo will get the job done. Might even get you out to 200yds. 300yds would be pushing it, not due to cartridge limitations, more due to the rifle itself. There are exceptions to the rule though. I would try different loadings from various manufacturers though. You might find one that works significantly better than others. Just as a guess, I would think that 120 to 140 grain bullets would work best in that rifle.

I've got millions of acres of BLM land around here and more than a few ranges open to the public (for a fee) with 1000 yd rifle positions.

Ishmael

 

[Ishmael]

In my piddling around I found some info that you should be interested in Perg.

REASONS TO RELOAD FOR THE WIN. MOD. 88:

1. The barrel you have is the only one you're ever going to have short of custom gunsmithing work. Winchester does not make spare barrels and never did. The only factory load that I found was the Win. 150 gr. load at near max. velocity. If you shoot that thing enough with factory loads you are going to burn the barrel out.

2. That rifle was manufactured with a 1:10 twist which is actually better for lighter bullets. The 150 gr is at the upper end of the accuracy tolerance for the rifle. For the 150 gr. or heavier bullets a 1:9.5 to 1:9 twist is preferred. For the 1:10 you should be shooting bullets in the 120 - 140 gr. class as I mentioned previously and to preserve barrel life you should be shooting below max loading. Those bullet weights are more than adequate for any hunting you'd be doing in your neck of the woods. (And at $80/box you'll be saving a lot of money)

Ishmael