How many dead innocent children is your right to own guns worth?

[FGB]

"With no guns there is NO chance of a kid firing a firearm."
I think this is one of the best anti-gun arguments that I've heard.

With THAT thought we can call the dogs, piss on the fire and go home, except we already are there.

Lets get rid of cars, knifes& all chemicals build guard rails around everything don't forget a host of other things kids can get into.

No swimming, camping, skiing don't forget house fires about the causes of that!

and the list goes on...

 

[RobDownSouth]

Idiots are so easily willing To take away the rights, that are founding fathers gave to us. teach your children properly and keep your guns in a safe place away from children. there is no perfect world, but you take away our guns, then the only ones that will have guns will be, your criminals, your government and the idiots that want to just kill people, because their head isn't screwed on right. Our founding fathers Created this country, with their visions. America is like a wife, love her or leave her.

One question for you, friend: Do you feel that the Second Amendment right to bear arms is absolute?

 

[NeverEndingMe]

One question for you, friend: Do you feel that the Second Amendment right to bear arms is absolute?

how many kids will not have a meal today because you are so fucking lazy?

by you and your kind being on welfare, you are stealing food from starving kids.

get off the welfare and work

 

[RobDownSouth]

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[FGB]

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If that is true...let us add in abortions too.

Hell, lets fire off the doom day devices and kill everybody!

Then maybe you will be happy.

 

[RobDownSouth]

If that is true...let us add in abortions too.

Hell, lets fire off the doom day devices and kill everybody!

Then maybe you will be happy.

Nice apples-to-oranges deflection.
*nods*

Hypothetical scenario: Would a law limiting each household to one rifle and one handgun be contrary to the 2nd Amendment in your opinion?

 

[PoppingTom]

If that is true...let us add in abortions too.

...and let us add the role of belief in this :


• A broad cross section of U.S. women have abortions:

58% are in their 20s;
61% have one or more children;
56% are unmarried and not cohabiting;
69% are economically disadvantaged; and
73% report a religious affiliation.



( https://www.guttmacher.org/media/presskits/abortion-US/statsandfacts.html )


In other words: killing religion would save more than half of the babies.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

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yep, we must do all we can to keep America out of your hands

 

[BotanyBoy]

They figured that sooner or later people like Obama would come along and we would have to get back on track.

sorry....you're just getting closer and closer to the loosing end of this argument.

And it's your own fault too, the RW/ 'pro gun' REFUSE to do anything about a problem. They won't even acknowledge there is one. But the middle isn't trying as hard to turn a blind eye.

If you lot got together and came up with some kind of shall issue licencing laws or SOMETHING to actually try and keep the crazies/irresponsible types away from the dangerous hardware.

Nice apples-to-oranges deflection.
*nods*

Hypothetical scenario: Would a law limiting each household to one rifle and one handgun be contrary to the 2nd Amendment in your opinion?

Fuuuuck yes. There is no reason to do that except left wing asshole trying to be the biggest prick possible while accomplishing nothing because it doesn't address the issue, it doesn't reduce the number of nut jobs and irresponsible types from getting their hands on them.

As long as the left keeps trying to restrict the number/types of weapons instead of the people who have access to them they are failing to address the issue either out of ignorance or the need to be total dicks...in either case they shouldn't be taken seriously.

 

[Sean Renaud]

There is no good method of restricting the people who get them though.

We toss around crazy all the time but it's when we are talking about legal restrictions we're talking about actual medical diagnosis crazy. When you look at the people who get caught in these mass shootings most of them don't suffer from what MOST people would qualify as mentally ill. 1 in 10, (more actually) are on anti-depressants. We can argue later about if that number is because doctors just prescribe without thinking or not later. For a moment lets pretend that's a good number. That's 10% of the population bared from owning a gun and really if the owner doesn't keep the weapon in a safe bared from owning and bared from living in a household with one should be the same thing no?

Worse I want people who have mental illnesses to go visit the doctor and get the help they need! Take a look around this forum and imagine some of the hardcore righties here being forced to make a choice between being able to own guns and talking to a doctor about why Tinkerbell won't stop doing pole dances with his cock. Any guesses on how many of them seek professional help vs ignoring and/or self medicating?

I'd have to look up the stats to be 100% certain but knowing that most murders are spur of the moment shit and we already have laws to keep weapons away from felons (many of whom probably shouldn't be prevented from owning a gun for various reasons. Not least of which if your argument is that people with guns are safer from other people with guns I don't see how you can send a man into Chicago without a gun no matter what he's done.) So the law would have be expansive enough to catch people really early or just you know carry on.

 

[Hard_Rom]

With THAT thought we can call the dogs, piss on the fire and go home, except we already are there.

Lets get rid of cars, knifes& all chemicals build guard rails around everything don't forget a host of other things kids can get into.

No swimming, camping, skiing don't forget house fires about the causes of that!

and the list goes on...

And what tops the list for stupid outrageous deaths of children. You gun owners come up with a way that prevents children from dying by guns and maybe just maybe you can keep them. You take responsibility or those who hate guns will. A 28th amendment is entirely possible.

Guard rails and safety equipment have made many a workplace much safer. Seatbelts save lives. So do drunk driving laws. Lots of namby pamby laws that actually safe lives and money too.

What will you do if the constitution puts restrictions on gun ownership? When it is no longer a Bog given right? Keep it up and the true silent majority will finally speak up and say "No More Children Will Die from Guns!"

We will make accidental drowning the next target or maybe cancer which ever kills the second amount of kids.

 

[BotanyBoy]

There is no good method of restricting the people who get them though.

Seem to work fine for machine guns....

 

[Sean Renaud]

Seem to work fine for machine guns....

As far as the lay person is concerned machine guns are outright banned. And really considering the way the government is going to turn you inside out over it they may as well be.

Technically however you are correct but in the same way that you'd be correct if you said there are no laws against putting together your own mission to the moon. It's true but expect Uncle Sam to make you into a sock puppet before he lets you put a rocket up over the states. With good reason mind you.

 

[JackLuis]

Man buys gun at Arizona gun show and promptly shoots friend by mistake

This guy shouldn't have a gun. No matter what he should be put on a "No Guns For YOU" list!

he Crossroads of the West Gun Show in Phoenix, Arizona was disrupted Saturday when a man accidentally shot his friend in the torso after purchasing the weapon from a vendor.

According to Houston’s ABC Channel 13, police are investigating how the gun came to be loaded at all at when trading show rules expressly forbid loaded weapons on the grounds.

Captain Damon Cecil of the Phoenix Police Department told Channel 13, “That’s what we’re trying to find out who loaded it when was it loaded that’s all going to be vetted in the investigation.”

The very first thing you do with any gun is check the chamber yourself!

 

[Aella_]

I came across this yesterday. ((there's a lot of interest outside of US in this particular issue, even as outsiders who are not affected by it or who are less knowledgeable of US politics.))

Doctors' groups join Democrats to end ban on gun violence research funding
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...end-federal-ban-gun-violence-research-funding

 

[Hard_Rom]

No gun checks of any kind. Pre-sale, post-sale or before cleaning.

I fired a nine last year. Holy Shit hair trigger. I even had an accidental discharge! Down range and into sand dune but still! Scary and embarrassing. It jammed twice too in 3 mags of fire. That did not impress me. The Brownings used in late 70s early 80s by the Canadian forces as I recall had a bit of a trigger to them. This one was an on-off switch. I only fired the Brownings in basic. And never saw a recruit training heavily used one jam once. That was 35 years ago.

My buddy owns legally but once a year takes it up north with him. Totally illegal! I like guns from a history, techy point of view and hunting. But hate gun ownership for anything outside a range, hunting or competition. My bow and another guys HUGE shotgun with a scope was more fun and interesting.

At 20 yards I can replicate the spread with my 40# longbow. Not quite as fast though. Almost.

 

[BotanyBoy]

As far as the lay person is concerned machine guns are outright banned. And really considering the way the government is going to turn you inside out over it they may as well be.

Technically however you are correct but in the same way that you'd be correct if you said there are no laws against putting together your own mission to the moon. It's true but expect Uncle Sam to make you into a sock puppet before he lets you put a rocket up over the states. With good reason mind you.

No it's just a whole lot easier to not buy full auto and to instead go semi....I should go back to TX for a snig soon and bust out the belt fed toys been tew long.

Technically I'm right as there are numerous examples of restrictions on who has access working quite well, not perfect but pretty fuckin' good.

If we had a legit licencing/vetting process and spent the money/effort crucifying people packing illegally that we did trying to ruin the lives of potheads we wouldn't be having this discussion......certainly not anywhere near the frequency we have over the last several years.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I know you're right, and I'm not interested in perfect. Function is good. But the one time I checked it's pretty difficult to get full auto weapons. Though I wasn't checking Texas I was checking Nevada and Arizona because you know, not gonna try Cali.

 

[JackLuis]

No gun checks of any kind. Pre-sale, post-sale or before cleaning.

I fired a nine last year. Holy Shit hair trigger. I even had an accidental discharge! Down range and into sand dune but still! Scary and embarrassing. It jammed twice too in 3 mags of fire. That did not impress me. The Brownings used in late 70s early 80s by the Canadian forces as I recall had a bit of a trigger to them. This one was an on-off switch. I only fired the Brownings in basic. And never saw a recruit training heavily used one jam once. That was 35 years ago.

My buddy owns legally but once a year takes it up north with him. Totally illegal! I like guns from a history, techy point of view and hunting. But hate gun ownership for anything outside a range, hunting or competition. My bow and another guys HUGE shotgun with a scope was more fun and interesting.

At 20 yards I can replicate the spread with my 40# longbow. Not quite as fast though. Almost.

Not sure what you meant in the first line.

The Browning P-35 is a fine example of JM Browning's work. Some of the Whiz-Banger 9s that are filling the market now are pure crap by comparison.
I have a S&W .44 that has the lightest single action pull I've ever found, I tend to shoot it double action, though I've never had a AD.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I know you're right, and I'm not interested in perfect. Function is good. But the one time I checked it's pretty difficult to get full auto weapons. Though I wasn't checking Texas I was checking Nevada and Arizona because you know, not gonna try Cali.

It is a difficult and does require either some rather extensive hoop jumping and paperwork or some money to pay a lawyer to get it done for you, that's what I like to call the " E Z Button" .

LOL yea not cali.

But the point is if we wanted to we could implement a licencing system which would come with a whole host of 'keepin craziez away from gunz!' perks....if we wanted.

But potheads are still public enemy number 1!! By comparison the US might as well just be spending an infinite amount of money/man hrs fighting that. *shrug* oh well....that's M'uricuh, mass shootings are more acceptable than the munchies.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The thing is I feel like any system that would actually keep crazies out would keep a lot of decent folk out too. I mean if you need to pay a lawyer to get a gun because of the paper work 99% of people aren't gonna do it. In fact I'd be willing to bet that if the process averaged more than 6 weeks even if all it entailed was a five minute interview on Wednesday every week for six weeks some odd 80% of people would just say "Fuck it, I don't care that much!"

 

[BotanyBoy]

I'd be willing to bet that if the process averaged more than 6 weeks even if all it entailed was a five minute interview on Wednesday every week for six weeks some odd 80% of people would just say "Fuck it, I don't care that much!"

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Now seriously...wtf is with the instant play Netflix anime?

Like 2 of them have fan service, one of which the 2nd season is censored so really only 1 1/2 a couple of them have some story and the rest are complete shit.

They need some of good movies up in that department already.....god damn what the fuck am I paying them for?

 

[Sean Renaud]

It used to be TERRIBLE there are a few decent ones up there depending on what you like and what you've already seen.

 

[BotanyBoy]

It used to be TERRIBLE there are a few decent ones up there depending on what you like and what you've already seen.

Little has improved...

I like the sci fi/darker stuff...not opposed to fan service but it's certainly not required, bubble gum tweeny bopper anime generally irritates the shit out of me, is the least favored and apparently the most popular.

I guess a good samurai/ninja gore fest is too much to ask for

 

[Sean Renaud]

Oh I feel ya. I tend towards the darker stuff but if you haven't seen Death Note of Psycho Pass those are both excellent. Full Metal Alchemist is good but you've probably seen it by now. If you don't mind fun The Devil is a Part Timer is a cute little romp.

But yeah it's still not a great collection of anime. It's passable at best.