How to create girly hairstyles

[Christopher2012]

Pass the popcorn, show's not over yet, pretty girl.



This is how not to give a damn, good job Chris.

Then I guess just pass me some popcorn too and we'll watch them two have a civil discussion.

 

[Lord Pmann]

Yeah, again, I'm supposed to be apologetic and pleasing even when someone makes a serious social faux pas in a totally inappropriate place? No, I don't think so. He made me really uncomfortable and the flirting in that thread was completely uncalled for. He could have sent me that SAME message in private and it would have been received MUCH better, -OR- he could have STOPPED, apologized and it would have been OVER. But no, he didn't. He repeated his actions after I asked him to stop, AND He got nasty when I didn't react --in the way he expected me to--.

I don't do the whole social norm of a woman constantly trying to apologize for wanting to be treated with respect when she sets up a totally normal and healthy boundary. I stated my boundary, he violated it multiple times then got hateful with me. So yeah, I lost my shit and I'd do it again in a heartbeat, because -he was disrespectful to me multiple times-. I give what I get, when I get disrespected, I will tear anyone a new asshole. And if I was a dude, that would be celebrated as me acting like a "boss" and standing up for myself. Because I'm a woman, that's me being a bitch. No. I don't play by those rules.

You almost had it right. You get what you give.

The still don't address the way YOU react. You say you don't play the victim card but that's all this is. Everyone everyone everyone.

How about the fact that YOU make a social faux pas? The fact that you return a pinch with a gunshot wound... You never address that. I give you clear and concise points to which I'd like to hear answers. But it's only what everyone else does.

What if when someone did something you found offensive you didn't cut them off at the knees? Or if you privately PM'd them. Or maybe just didn't use roll eyes?

Again, so much of this comes from your narcissistic self perception. Not everyone wants to flirt with you. Everyone is supposed to be super aware of what offends you, but you have open season to address whatever offends you? The blade cuts both ways, SD.

Chris was not rude in his "flirt" with you. You had the right to feel uncomfortable. I can't understand for the life of me what is offensive about his statement, but whatever. You don't have to be rude to him though. The rolled eyes, at first response was uncalled for. Chris asked you to play Halo, not stick his fist in your arse. What you don't understand is that YOU were rude to him before he was rude to you. Even if his comment was received as inappropriate, it was not rude.

You deserve to be treated with the respect you give to others. You are not inherently entitled to respect because you consider yourself genetically gifted or pretty.

You still don't address anything I actually ask. That's why the support continues to roll in.

 

[Emerson40]

Arguments have been presented, opinions expressed, and it appears a stalemate has been reached.

Perhaps all parties can just agree to disagree, respectfully move on, go about their business, and continue to resent each other, separately and quietly.

Other than the supposed entertainment value that some may see in this continuing, does anybody see any benefit in more of the he/she/you/I said/did/thought playing out?

All are entrenched in their opinion and POV, and a deterioration into nasty name calling and pointless insults is the likely outcome. Then not only does nobody win, everyone is marred by the nastiness.



http://www.tcaps.net/Portals/8/sandbox.gif

 

[Lord Pmann]

Who are you and what have you done with Emerson?!

Haha. I agree. Maybe JBJ kidnapped him.

I actually think, at this point, it's become a discussion and not an argument. SD wasn't rude in her reply to me and I wasn't rude to her. Neither of us have thrown mud since we waved a flag.

I've been in a class all week about my emotions. I'm ready for synergy, muthafuckas!!!

 

[Emerson40]

Who are you and what have you done with Emerson?!

Whassup?

Had some badass chamomile tea today and now I'm channeling my inner renaissance man.

I've got no horse in this race, but I am trying to avert a greater catastrophe from rolling onto the shores of the HT.

It is for the greater good that I am exposing my kinder, rarely seen, more diplomatic side.




(re-reading that through, it's almost as if NightL wrote it...)

 

[NightL]

I think I speak for the group, that sheep thing has got to stop!

(re-reading that through, it's almost as if NightL wrote it...)

 

[NightL]

Oh, and nothing sets off a girly hairstyle more than a decorative monogrammed whale foreskin scarf.

 

[Emerson40]

(re-reading that through, it's almost as if NightL wrote it...)

Hey Night!

How are things?

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[NightL]

On this rainy bleak day, keeping me away from being dutifully employed - I will say that particular gif is indeed mesmerizing - we need more desert volleyball in our lives.

Oh, and very fine, thank you for asking.

 

[Lord Pmann]

Guys,

You're derailing a thread we... Oh wait.

 

[subdued_passion]

Arguments have been presented, opinions expressed, and it appears a stalemate has been reached.

Perhaps all parties can just agree to disagree, respectfully move on, go about their business, and continue to resent each other, separately and quietly.

Other than the supposed entertainment value that some may see in this continuing, does anybody see any benefit in more of the he/she/you/I said/did/thought playing out?

All are entrenched in their opinion and POV, and a deterioration into nasty name calling and pointless insults is the likely outcome. Then not only does nobody win, everyone is marred by the nastiness.

Awesome post.

I like the HT more and more because there are people who show this^^^level of maturity here.

 

[subdued_passion]

I can't decide if you actually believe this or if you're making a funny.

No rape for you!

Damn woman! My sarcasm operates at 6 sigma levels.

But every 1 in a million posts there is a defect, wherein my humanity shows through.

I liked the way Emerson intervened and dialogue was established. Seriously, after the GB, refreshing change.




[size="-2"]Pls pls pls don't deny me the privilege of being raped by you.[/size]

 

[subdued_passion]

Yes I heard you plonked yourself right into the middle of some GB drama or another. For someone who's posting about avoiding drama that's an interesting manoeuvre.

I started the drama thread to distract myself from the GB drama.


Lesson learnt- Don't give the clique an example of how they behave clique-y.

They kind of beat you to the rape thing. Good ole GB style gang-bang. (No one even offered me a wet towel to wipe off later).

 

[satindesire]

You almost had it right. You get what you give.

The still don't address the way YOU react. You say you don't play the victim card but that's all this is. Everyone everyone everyone.

How about the fact that YOU make a social faux pas? The fact that you return a pinch with a gunshot wound... You never address that. I give you clear and concise points to which I'd like to hear answers. But it's only what everyone else does.

What if when someone did something you found offensive you didn't cut them off at the knees? Or if you privately PM'd them. Or maybe just didn't use roll eyes?

Again, so much of this comes from your narcissistic self perception. Not everyone wants to flirt with you. Everyone is supposed to be super aware of what offends you, but you have open season to address whatever offends you? The blade cuts both ways, SD.

Chris was not rude in his "flirt" with you. You had the right to feel uncomfortable. I can't understand for the life of me what is offensive about his statement, but whatever. You don't have to be rude to him though. The rolled eyes, at first response was uncalled for. Chris asked you to play Halo, not stick his fist in your arse. What you don't understand is that YOU were rude to him before he was rude to you. Even if his comment was received as inappropriate, it was not rude.

You deserve to be treated with the respect you give to others. You are not inherently entitled to respect because you consider yourself genetically gifted or pretty.

You still don't address anything I actually ask. That's why the support continues to roll in.

It wasn't rude. It was exasperated, the rolled eyes signified that I felt frustrated. I wasn't being bitchy, but because I'm not apologetic about it (which I would have no reason to be), and instead I'm simply neutral and matter of fact, that equals bitchy. No. Matter of fact does not equal bitchy, but in today's culture that's what women aren't allowed to be, for fear of being deemed a bitch. I'd also like to add that my second reply to him after he refused to respect my boundaries was very calm and polite. I see you didn't bother telling people that, but then again, the thread is there for anyone to see it. I haven't edited anything because I have nothing to be ashamed about.

Yes, I will bite hard when someone "pinches". I don't pull punches, it's not in my nature at all. Also, I don't have a lot of time to be online, my personal life is -extremely- busy and I get -very- little free time...that's why my answers sometimes are brief and only deal with the meat instead of every single point-by-point thing you say. I really don't care who PMs you about how much people hate me, it's probably people like Chris who have felt the sharp side of my tongue and if I really cared what they thought, I wouldn't have said anything to them in the first place. And for every person that PMed you about how much they dislike me, I can show you two people on this site that consider me a good friend and a good person, and -accept and even enjoy- my sharp tongue. In short, I'm not worried about your PMs, so don't bother trying to trot them out like it's going to make me feel differently, ESPECIALLY about the Chris situation. One more time: The thread is there for anyone to read. I was frustrated, NOT BITCHY, and then I was firm and very polite. When he got nasty with me is when I let him have it. Not before it was deserved.

You don't understand what was rude about him coming into a thread that was me literally using the little time I have to be online (I often sacrifice sleep to spend time writing here, which makes almost every post precious, ESPECIALLY in the Makeup thread) but you also didn't bother asking me, either. You merely made assumptions. We've all done that, me included, as I'm far from perfect, but you can't really expect me to sit here and explain every mistake I've supposedly made in your eyes when I'm not the only person that has been unspeakably rude. I wanted to call a truce and stop this because I was ashamed of how I'd acted. I'm sorry again, it won't happen again.

 

[NightL]

some may find amusement in my following comment:

please stop

neither of you, with intent, maliciously go after others - really you don't. On the scale of misery creating and bullying (yes some will remember my crusade from last year) both of you don't, you are so not there.

You are both good people - simple. Can you just avoid each other for a while?

The laughter seems to have evaporated - this is not good.

 

[NightL]

since I am in my recycling mood today...
I strongly suggest both of you take turns at
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx289/NightL/fish-slap_zps7b219ab5.gif

 

[Lord Pmann]

I often sacrifice sleep to spend time writing here, which makes almost every post precious

http://identitylovefaith.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/gollum-ring.jpg

My precious.

ETA: I'm not saying you look like gollum. I just like the use of the word precious.

 

[Lord Pmann]

I wanted to call a truce and stop this because I was ashamed of how I'd acted. I'm sorry again, it won't happen again.

I would say no need for sorry. I feel like we actually both wrote posts with points and spoke our minds. No attacks or whatever have been made since you called a truce. Not by me or you anyway. And even Chris said he would bow out because he couldn't gracefully add anything.

I still fundamentally disagree with your stance that everyone else should be aware of how you get offended and not do things that offend you, but you have free reign to do as you say, without regard for how THAT makes people feel.

And I didn't post that about the PMs to rub your nose in it. I posted it because there are apparently a lot of people who see your posts as bitchy, not as matter of fact. And the people who commented were not people who I've ever even seen you interact with. Just people who see your posts and find them as bitchy. Only one of them is someone that I would consider snarky.

Your lack of consideration of how you are perceived, along with several other traits, is characteristic of narcissism. I don't believe that you should worry about what other people think, in the sense that you identify with that. But, how others perceive us is important. Your focus on how we should all retract things that offend you or be aware of what offends you, yet ignore the things about you that offend us is selfish.

Guys who do that are called assholes or dicks. It's not a male/female thing. Reacting the way you do, with rolled eyes is, for the most part in our society, considered bitchy. You should accept (not as a woman, as a human) that certain behaviours are perceived in certain manners. Much of what you display is perceived by many as bitchy, not straightforward. And it's not that you do that in one post. It's the collection of many posts. If you were snarky to one person, it would most likely be ignored. But the fact is that you are snarky a lot, so it's a pattern.

I also don't think you have any clue how it's perceived to refer to yourself as "conventionally pretty" or "graced with good genetics" or however it was phrased. That's off-putting in a manner that I can't imagine that you understand.

As I said, you completely strike me as someone with a background in psychology or one of the soft sciences. Perhaps I'm wrong. But you just strike me as that type in the way you analyze things. That's why this confuses me as why it's so hard to see. May I ask what your education is? Like what field?

I can come off as very matter of fact and it is something I must watch, as to avoid sounding smug. Someone told me something once that has stuck with me throughout the years and I think it's relevant here. After an argument with a girl (I don't even remember who it was or what is it about), she told me this:

You may be the smartest person in the room. But you're not smarter than everybody in the room.

By that, she meant that my experiences as one human being were not more valuable than the collective experiences of everyone else. I was being a dick in that instance and I was ignoring what everyone else was saying.

I think this is very applicable in this thread. I think, based on the amount of comments I've received, that you are perceived as bitchy, rather than the straightforward person you intend. So, perhaps there is truth in this. Wouldn't it be a positive thing to at least consider? Say, "Are my constant use of rolled eyes perceived differently than I intend? Do they maybe seem more snarky than I see it?" What harm could come of that?

 

[Lord Pmann]

And for those who don't like this thread, don't click on it. We are keeping our discussion contained to this thread. We could take it to PM, but enough people seem to have interest in it, based on PMs I've received, that I believe it should be left here. At this point the conversation has moved away from any attacks.

If you've taken the time to read all of this and you dislike it and you still click on the thread, then I find that a bit silly. It's not like there were loads of posts on the original purpose of the thread and we came and derailed it and you (collective you, not anyone specific) want to make comments about hair. I sent a note apologizing to the original poster for the derail.

It's a conversation at this point and there is nothing wrong with it. SD isn't hostile. Nor am I. Chris said he couldn't post without being hostile, so he bowed out.

 

[njlauren]

There are a lot of things you could play with, you could use soft or hard rollers, you could use a blow dryer along with some gell to get 'big hair'. Another fun trick is playing with temporary hair coloring/streaks, that can be washed out (not talking the semi permanent ones, that can take a while to wash out).

You can braid it up into a bun, you can do a poof a la snookie on Jersey Shore.

And yeah, you could use a curling iron or a crimper to give it waves, or if you really want to have fun, learn how to do corn rows (though those are difficult as hell, it really is an art form).

 

[Christopher2012]

Oh don't worry, SD is reloading at the moment. It just takes her a while because she's female and it's really tough to get that last round in the magazine. I wonder if she's using a Glock from Austria or if she's going with the more classic American model 1911. Based on the fact that she's female and the model 1911 is much more difficult to break down, clean, and maintain, I'm going to say that she's using a Glock. They're relatively simple to use, even for a woman.

(Ah misogynistic sarcasm... sorry, I'm just being a dick. I'm just pissed off because Square-Enix fucked up their PC codes for the early re-release of Final Fantasy XIV. So they're "working on it." Jeez... So instead of exploring the huge, wide-open world with my PS3 friends, I'm stuck on this damn site. 'sigh' My twin GTX 680 FTW+ GPUs are just sitting there itching for action, too.)

Anyways, continue.

 

[satindesire]

I would say no need for sorry. I feel like we actually both wrote posts with points and spoke our minds. No attacks or whatever have been made since you called a truce. Not by me or you anyway. And even Chris said he would bow out because he couldn't gracefully add anything.

I still fundamentally disagree with your stance that everyone else should be aware of how you get offended and not do things that offend you, but you have free reign to do as you say, without regard for how THAT makes people feel.

And I didn't post that about the PMs to rub your nose in it. I posted it because there are apparently a lot of people who see your posts as bitchy, not as matter of fact. And the people who commented were not people who I've ever even seen you interact with. Just people who see your posts and find them as bitchy. Only one of them is someone that I would consider snarky.

Your lack of consideration of how you are perceived, along with several other traits, is characteristic of narcissism. I don't believe that you should worry about what other people think, in the sense that you identify with that. But, how others perceive us is important. Your focus on how we should all retract things that offend you or be aware of what offends you, yet ignore the things about you that offend us is selfish.

Guys who do that are called assholes or dicks. It's not a male/female thing. Reacting the way you do, with rolled eyes is, for the most part in our society, considered bitchy. You should accept (not as a woman, as a human) that certain behaviours are perceived in certain manners. Much of what you display is perceived by many as bitchy, not straightforward. And it's not that you do that in one post. It's the collection of many posts. If you were snarky to one person, it would most likely be ignored. But the fact is that you are snarky a lot, so it's a pattern.

I also don't think you have any clue how it's perceived to refer to yourself as "conventionally pretty" or "graced with good genetics" or however it was phrased. That's off-putting in a manner that I can't imagine that you understand.

As I said, you completely strike me as someone with a background in psychology or one of the soft sciences. Perhaps I'm wrong. But you just strike me as that type in the way you analyze things. That's why this confuses me as why it's so hard to see. May I ask what your education is? Like what field?

I can come off as very matter of fact and it is something I must watch, as to avoid sounding smug. Someone told me something once that has stuck with me throughout the years and I think it's relevant here. After an argument with a girl (I don't even remember who it was or what is it about), she told me this:

You may be the smartest person in the room. But you're not smarter than everybody in the room.

By that, she meant that my experiences as one human being were not more valuable than the collective experiences of everyone else. I was being a dick in that instance and I was ignoring what everyone else was saying.

I think this is very applicable in this thread. I think, based on the amount of comments I've received, that you are perceived as bitchy, rather than the straightforward person you intend. So, perhaps there is truth in this. Wouldn't it be a positive thing to at least consider? Say, "Are my constant use of rolled eyes perceived differently than I intend? Do they maybe seem more snarky than I see it?" What harm could come of that?

See, this is the issue I am constantly struggling with when talking to you. You're telling me, Look, some of the things you're saying can be percieved as bitchy and rude. And Here I Am saying: Yes, you're absolutely right. I need to be more careful in the future, and try and consider how my straightforward and non-apologetic way of speaking can come across as off-putting in today's society where women are generally not encouraged to speak that way.

But when I made the post to you about you sounding homophobic, you dismissed it right away. You're sitting here asking me to consider the things I say but you're totally unwilling to do the same. You're telling me that some things I say can be offensive but you're unwilling to admit that you have in the past been just as offensive as I have. That's why I'm struggling with you right now, and that's why this entire conversation has been so difficult. ALL of the flaws and wrongs that you've pointed out to me have been the same things I've seen you do, but you're unwilling to entertain even for a moment that you're just as guilty as me of being rude.

That is why I am constantly rubbed the wrong way by you. You're asking me to do things you yourself are unwilling to do. You've been offensive, I've been offensive, but only one of us has been willing to apologize and state that they'll be more careful in the future to be considerate and kind.

As for my looks: Look. You may not find me attractive. And that's fine, you're fully entitled to your preferences. But from the age of 13 until I was 21 -I modeled and acted FOR A LIVING-, and made a killing working all across the United States doing HUNDREDS of runway shows, commercials, photo shoots, TV shows, catalogs, whatever. MY JOB was to be pretty, because I had the genetics for it. You want to look at me like I'm arrogant for stating facts? That's your prerogative. But your opinion that I'm a "hagbeast" does not compute with the fact that I was paid a -very- good wage for many years -because I was pretty-. Your preferences doesn't equal the majority opinion. If you want to call me ugly, that's your deal, but I worked for nearly a decade in the business because a LOT of people didn't agree with you. You don't know me or anything about my life, so telling me that I'm "Delusional" when I have been nothing but straight up about my past and how I worked as a professional model is patently false.

So I'd appreciate it if you'd stop constantly calling me unattractive. You aren't putting pictures up here of yourself for people to criticize and I'm pretty sure you wouldn't appreciate being called a "hagbeast" if you did. I think it's brave and cool of me to not only use real pictures of myself but also not try and fake being modest and humble and be dishonest about myself. I'm not FAKE. I don't lie about my feelings.

If it's off putting to you for me to openly admit that I find myself attractive, that is your problem to deal with. I find myself attractive and there's nothing wrong with that. I think it's completely ridiculous that if a woman says that she thinks she's ugly, people will say "Oh, you're just fishing for compliments" but if a woman thinks she's pretty and admits it, "Oh, she's an arrogant bitch." It's like...what, we're only allowed to think we're average looking for fear of being wrong? No matter what we say about ourselves, we're wrong. Again, fuck cultural norms. I won't bow to them, I don't have to and I won't be looked down on for not hiding who I am.

For the record, this is not me being "bitchy", this is me being completely blunt and stating the truth: That your opinion of the way I look has NOTHING to do with this situation, and my opinion of my looks has nothing to do with it either.

 

[Lord Pmann]

I've never once called you unattractive. In fact, I specifically said you were not unattractive. I said I'm not attracted to you, which is fine. You wouldn't be attracted to me, I am sure. My mom says I'm beautiful though.

I did call you a hagbeast, but that had absolutely nothing to do with your looks. I even put a stop to it when Chris made the comments on looks, so it wouldn't go there.

I will respond further to your post when I get a chance. But I wanted to be clear, I never once called you unattractive.

And I would say this is the first time that I feel like a post has been made towards me with actual talking points I can address. I appreciate the clarity and will write more later, as I said.

See, haters!!! We are having a conversation and it's constructive. *watches pig fly across the sky*

 

[Lord Pmann]

I don't think you understand the point that I'm trying to make. My problem with you isn't that you are bitchy. You're inconsistent and you hold different standards for others than yourself. I'll give you an example:

1. I post a form that has the words "girly man" and "queer". You tell me that's offensive. That's totally fine. You're okay to find that offensive and to point it out.

2. You post to someone who mentions having an affair and you wish cancer on them. Someone points out that this is offensive and you basically tell them to fuck off because you think it's an appropriate response, based on your last experiences.

Both of those are actual events that took place. This is what I mean when I talk about your inconsistency. You expect others to bow to your wishes and make adjustments based on how certain words make YOU feel, yet if someone else points something out to you, you tell them to basically fuck off.

So no, I'm not inconsistent in what I've said. I've apologized in the past when I've offended people here. In fact, I have gone back and edited posts based on the comments of others. I've spoken to you in a respectful manner ever since we called a truce. You use the example of me posting something that was homophobic and dismissing it. I specifically asked HOW that was homophobic. I was basically given a lecture by another user that the word "queer" is okay to be used by the gay community, but not everyone. That's bullshit and hypocritical.

I clearly admit I can be offensive. The difference is, I don't go around every time I see something that is offensive to me and bitch at them or roll my eyes for being offensive. If I'm going to say things that are offensive or irreverent, I have to be willing to accept the same. And that's what people seem to find so off-putting about you. You will be a total cunt (your own words), but you expect people to put up with your offenses. Am I guilty of being rude sometimes? Absolutely. But every time someone else says something I don't like, I don't bitch at them for it. Or give them a snarky reply. I can't say I've never done it. I'm sure I'm guilty as such. But I imagine if that was the case, you would be getting loads of support messages about the subject.

A perfect example is the member JBJ. That guy is a fucking nutter and he posts some awful stuff. But do you know why he's more tolerable? Because he doesn't post his shit and then jump on someone else when they post something that offends him.

As far as your looks...

Again, I never said you were ugly. I never said you weren't attractive. I said I wasn't attracted to you. I do think it's brave of you to put your pictures up. My pictures in my avatar/profile are actually me, you may be surprised to know. The reason I was saying I find you unattractive is because you seem to be convinced that I was flirting with you at some point. Your definition of flirting is extremely different than mine.

I don't think that you should play coy or pretend to be unattractive. I think it's good to have a healthy self esteem. It is the way you come across about it. You come across as your own biggest fan. That's probably the single biggest comment I've gotten from people, is how highly you speak of yourself. It's considered unflattering by most. Perhaps you don't care about that. And if that's the case, then I get it and this is useless. But the fact that you said you would consider your behaviour in the future leads me to believe that you maybe do care some.

Consider this... I'm a musician. I play several different instruments. By most standards, I'm extremely gifted. I would be far better than most at what I do. I've played on several albums (nothing that is huge or anything) and I've made decent money from it. It's one thing for me to admit that I'm good and that I play. It's another to constantly talk about myself and how good I am. Do you see the difference?

For instance, if someone compliments your looks, there's nothing wrong with saying thank you and that you modeled or acted in the past. But it's the constant self promotion that drives people crazy. And when I say you're delusional, it's because you don't see how awful that looks. Again, the number of people who have messaged me about this tells me that I'm certainly not alone. The way you speak of yourself... It's not normal.

You consistently reference this about being a woman. It has nothing to do with you being a woman. If a guy acted like this, it would be just as unflattering.

"Again, fuck cultural norms."

This is the hypocrisy that I think drives people crazy. You tell me I can't post something with the word "queer", because it's not culturally acceptable. Yet you don't have to behave the same? I've listed several things that you do that are outside of cultural norms. So which is it?

Take someone like George Carlin. He's offensive. But for the most part, he was acceptable for the venue in which he played. He certainly was offensive, but he had a time and a place. However, consider how absolutely ridiculous it would be if be talked like he did and then acted holier than thou about things that offended him.

Sorry for any typos, this was on a mobile.

 

[subdued_passion]

I don't think you understand the point that I'm trying to make. My problem with you isn't that you are bitchy. You're inconsistent and you hold different standards for others than yourself. I'll give you an example:

1. I post a form that has the words "girly man" and "queer". You tell me that's offensive. That's totally fine. You're okay to find that offensive and to point it out.

2. You post to someone who mentions having an affair and you wish cancer on them. Someone points out that this is offensive and you basically tell them to fuck off because you think it's an appropriate response, based on your last experiences.

Both of those are actual events that took place. This is what I mean when I talk about your inconsistency. You expect others to bow to your wishes and make adjustments based on how certain words make YOU feel, yet if someone else points something out to you, you tell them to basically fuck off.

So no, I'm not inconsistent in what I've said. I've apologized in the past when I've offended people here. In fact, I have gone back and edited posts based on the comments of others. I've spoken to you in a respectful manner ever since we called a truce. You use the example of me posting something that was homophobic and dismissing it. I specifically asked HOW that was homophobic. I was basically given a lecture by another user that the word "queer" is okay to be used by the gay community, but not everyone. That's bullshit and hypocritical.

I clearly admit I can be offensive. The difference is, I don't go around every time I see something that is offensive to me and bitch at them or roll my eyes for being offensive. If I'm going to say things that are offensive or irreverent, I have to be willing to accept the same. And that's what people seem to find so off-putting about you. You will be a total cunt (your own words), but you expect people to put up with your offenses. Am I guilty of being rude sometimes? Absolutely. But every time someone else says something I don't like, I don't bitch at them for it. Or give them a snarky reply. I can't say I've never done it. I'm sure I'm guilty as such. But I imagine if that was the case, you would be getting loads of support messages about the subject.

A perfect example is the member JBJ. That guy is a fucking nutter and he posts some awful stuff. But do you know why he's more tolerable? Because he doesn't post his shit and then jump on someone else when they post something that offends him.

As far as your looks...

Again, I never said you were ugly. I never said you weren't attractive. I said I wasn't attracted to you. I do think it's brave of you to put your pictures up. My pictures in my avatar/profile are actually me, you may be surprised to know. The reason I was saying I find you unattractive is because you seem to be convinced that I was flirting with you at some point. Your definition of flirting is extremely different than mine.

I don't think that you should play coy or pretend to be unattractive. I think it's good to have a healthy self esteem. It is the way you come across about it. You come across as your own biggest fan. That's probably the single biggest comment I've gotten from people, is how highly you speak of yourself. It's considered unflattering by most. Perhaps you don't care about that. And if that's the case, then I get it and this is useless. But the fact that you said you would consider your behaviour in the future leads me to believe that you maybe do care some.

Consider this... I'm a musician. I play several different instruments. By most standards, I'm extremely gifted. I would be far better than most at what I do. I've played on several albums (nothing that is huge or anything) and I've made decent money from it. It's one thing for me to admit that I'm good and that I play. It's another to constantly talk about myself and how good I am. Do you see the difference?

For instance, if someone compliments your looks, there's nothing wrong with saying thank you and that you modeled or acted in the past. But it's the constant self promotion that drives people crazy. And when I say you're delusional, it's because you don't see how awful that looks. Again, the number of people who have messaged me about this tells me that I'm certainly not alone. The way you speak of yourself... It's not normal.

You consistently reference this about being a woman. It has nothing to do with you being a woman. If a guy acted like this, it would be just as unflattering.

"Again, fuck cultural norms."

This is the hypocrisy that I think drives people crazy. You tell me I can't post something with the word "queer", because it's not culturally acceptable. Yet you don't have to behave the same? I've listed several things that you do that are outside of cultural norms. So which is it?

Take someone like George Carlin. He's offensive. But for the most part, he was acceptable for the venue in which he played. He certainly was offensive, but he had a time and a place. However, consider how absolutely ridiculous it would be if be talked like he did and then acted holier than thou about things that offended him.

Sorry for any typos, this was on a mobile.

I'd never dare cross you if I ever spotted you armed with a keyboard. *shudder*


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