Is Trump a fascist NOW?!

They absolutely were with their totalitarian state ownership, control and STRICT administration of the means of production.
That's not socialism.

But what then is Fascism?

Fascism, at any rate the German version, is a form of capitalism that borrows from Socialism just such features as will make it efficient for war purposes. Internally, Germany has a good deal in common with a Socialist state. Ownership has never been abolished, there are still capitalists and workers, and – this is the important point, and the real reason why rich men all over the world tend to sympathize with Fascism – generally speaking the same people are capitalists and the same people workers as before the Nazi revolution. But at the same time the State, which is simply the Nazi Party, is in control of everything. It controls investment, raw materials, rates of interest, working hours, wages. The factory owner still owns his factory, but he is for practical purposes reduced to the status of a manager. Everyone is in effect a State employee, though the salaries vary very greatly. The mere efficiency of such a system, the elimination of waste and obstruction, is obvious. In seven years it has built up the most powerful war machine the world has ever seen.

But the idea underlying Fascism is irreconcilably different from that which underlies Socialism. Socialism aims, ultimately, at a world-state of free and equal human beings. It takes the equality of human rights for granted. Nazism assumes just the opposite. The driving force behind the Nazi movement is the belief in human inequality, the superiority of Germans to all other races, the right of Germany to rule the world. Outside the German Reich it does not recognize any obligations. Eminent Nazi professors have ‘proved’ over and over again that only nordic man is fully human, have even mooted the idea that non-nordic peoples (such as ourselves) can interbreed with gorillas! Therefore, while a species of war-Socialism exists within the German state, its attitude towards conquered nations is frankly that of an exploiter. The function of the Czechs, Poles, French, etc. is simply to produce such goods as Germany may need, and get in return just as little as will keep them from open rebellion. If we are conquered, our job will probably be to manufacture weapons for Hitler's forthcoming wars with Russia and America. The Nazis aim, in effect, at setting up a kind of caste system, with four main castes corresponding rather closely to those of the Hindu religion. At the top comes the Nazi party, second come the mass of the German people, third come the conquered European populations. Fourth and last are to come the coloured peoples, the ‘semi-apes’ as Hitler calls them, who are to be reduced quite openly to slavery.
Don't ever think you know better than Orwell -- he was a Socialist who fought Fascists. (And he had a better claim to the name than Stalin did.)
 
:rolleyes: Drop that stupid canard once and for all. The Nazis and the Fascists were not any kind of socialists. Their economics were entirely different.

Only in the ancillary/ideological neuance.....at the end of the day it's still a state controlled economy.

That's why you hate that it's brought up, you don't don't like to own up to your own authoritarianism and blood soaked history. Just like women.....

That's not socialism.


Don't ever think you know better than Orwell --

We laregly agree on most things, especially how authoritarian socialism is.

he was a Socialist who fought Fascists.

And well understood that they were more alike than either liked to admit......thus some of his most famous work.

(And he had a better claim to the name than Stalin did.)

Nope. Stalin had every bit the claim. You just don't like socialism's dirty side in the light....that's why you guys try to pretend none of it was REAL socialism, LOL bullshit.
 
Only in the ancillary/ideological neuance.....at the end of the day it's still a state controlled economy.
Every economy is state-controlled to some degree, wherever an effectual state exists at all. (Somalia, with no such state, is about the only place in the world that has a free market.) That is not a distinguishing characteristic of socialism or of fascism.
 
Every economy is state-controlled to some degree, wherever an effectual state exists at all. (Somalia, with no such state, is about the only place in the world that has a free market.)

Nope, and the free market exists all around us, doesn't require the state at all.

That is not a distinguishing characteristic of socialism or of fascism.

Literally the defining charicteristic of socialism.

And fascism like communism is an ideology that runs on a socialist economy.
 
Fascism has a definite meaning and it ain't that.

See also.

Better still, see here -- long read, but it's worth it.
Fascists are those among us who created "laws" requiring payment of so-called taxes. Once the money has been "voluntarily" paid (under penalty of fines and imprisonment) the money is distributed as those bin power see fit. Billions of dollars for war and all the weapons, bombs, bullets, buttons and boots required during the endeavor. Meanwhile, back home, children are starving, education is denied the economy thrives on the blood spilt elsewhere. The north American continent is a sacred burial ground where 2-3 million indigenous peoples were slaughter ed over the last few hundred years...
 
Show us where he's violating the law or the Constitution.
For reference

President Trump signed an executive order on his first day back in office aiming to deny automatic U.S. citizenship to children born here to noncitizen parents; federal judges called that order unconstitutional and blocked it

Analysts and advocacy groups point to an unusually large volume of executive orders and personnel actions—such as firing inspectors general—taken without the notice and congressional engagement critics say statutes and norms require. The Brennan Center characterized early moves as “flagrantly” violating rules, statutes or constitutional norms

Senator Peters’ report charges the administration with seizing congressional powers and retaliating against officials and private citizens who criticized or oversaw the government, framing those actions as threats to constitutional checks and the rule of law

Some commentators and members of Congress contend certain military actions — for example, bombing operations referenced by critics — violated the Constitution’s War Powers Clause by exceeding Congress’s authority to declare war

The administration’s practice of conditioning federal funds on state or local cooperation with federal immigration objectives produced lawsuits by states asserting constitutional and statutory violations; Just Security’s tracker and contemporaneous reporting show multiple suits alleging separation‑of‑powers and Administrative Procedure Act violations

Available sources document many lawsuits, injunctions, and at least one major executive order deemed unconstitutional by lower courts,
 
Socialism is about equality, not state control.

Incorrect, literally the opposite.

As usual. They don't even try to sell it on equality because that's just so on it's face wrong.

They try to sell it on equity, but they always need state control to do it... thus the lefty/anarchist paradox.

How can anarchism be left if the left requires a state to do all it's equity enforcement??

Capitalism doesn't need a state, that's why most on the right are for small or highly restricted government authority...or none. Far closer to being anarchist than the collectivist crybabies that demand the nanny state micromanage their entire lives.

Fascism is about hierarchy.

Nope fascism is about state control too. Just like all the other lefties....marxist don't get special "true lefty" status simply because they enjoy huffing their own farts so much.
 
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To enforce the laws, George H.W, Bush did the same thing in the 90s, He sent U.S. Marines into Los Angels to stop the Rodney King riots. Eisenhower sent the federal Airborne troops into Alabama to the beat the shit out of people who were stopping black kids from attending school. United States Marines assaulted Alcatraz to put down an inmate riot going on inside. President Franklin D. Roosevelt deployed 6,000 federal troops to Detroit Michigan to suppress a race riot. In 1968, President Johnson deployed federal troops and activated the D.C. National Guard to suppress riots in Washington, D.C., Baltimore, and Chicago following Martin Luther King Jr.'s assassination. In 1971, President Richard Nixon used a combined force of law enforcement, National Guardsmen, and active-duty military to manage and arrest Vietnam War protesters in Washington, D.C.. In 1987, President Ronald Reagan invoked the Insurrection Act to deploy federal forces to end a prison riot in Atlanta. All of which demonstrates how friggin' ignorant you are.

BS, Real fascism requires state control of speech, press, and political parties. Under Trump, critics have been free to scream at him daily, nonstop, with zero consequences. :rolleyes:
It was a MAJOR SERIES OF RIOTS AND FIRES

And Mayor ASKED for help

Trump claimed a "rebellion "
I dont understand how these dangerous LIES are tolerated
 
Anarchists think equality is possible without a state.

LOL yet the immidiately appeal to one the second they aren't getting their way.

The "abolish the police" antiFa folks crying for 911 the second they start getting their ass's kicked is a perfect example.

See also Libertarian socialism (not an oxymoron).

Yea...voluntary and civilized socialist can do that inside of a libertarian/capitalist society. Employee owned companies, co-ops and even communes.

But you can't scale that up to the national level so as to have a socialist economy.
 
We are in the Jeffersonian sense.

In that sense the trannies have nothing to complain about.

They have all the same rights under the law and can quit bitching already. Their social standing and inability to get straight men to fuck their poop chute pretend pussies or the public to validate their delusions is their own personal problem and about as far away from a civil rights issue as you can get.
 
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