Min wage, that was then, this is now...now is different from then

[Real_American11]

No they are not all poor but they don't have that kind of money.

They don't need trillions.

Do you think the most advanced and powerful military engaging in warfare on several fronts globally around the planet is free?

We don't need to be the world's police, and are military could still be the most advanced and dominating force on the planet for a fraction of the cost. Most of the tax money is wasted on inflated prices, bribes to politicians and their friends or family, giving arms to terrorist groups, etc.

If the government was held to a strict budget, and and fraud or waste was severely punished (asset forfeiture and public execution), besides government should be so small you might forget it is even there.

Thus making them the only citizens as any other religions would be criminal.....you know because you're just so supportive of freedom.

Other religions are dangerous and go against American principles. Religions that are non-compatible with American ideals and our Constitution should not be tolerated.

Just like we wouldn't tolerate an ideology like Communism or Islamism, just like we don't tolerate death cults, just like we don't tolerate murders, rapists, and thieves.

No it's not. Just do the numbers. There simply aren't enough Mormons in the top 10% to pay for our military.

Mormon's in America give 10% (six billion) to the LDS church, they could do the same for the government, and the Mormons are just one small demographic of the population, are you stupid? Why do you keep focusing on the religions I said would be allowed?

There is no such thing as a free market, it doesn't exist so that idea is based upon a false premise to begin with. Sorry!

It did before big government started turning this country into a crony-capitalist/fascist shithole.

Do you in your deranged socialist piss-can of a mind even understand what a free market is?

Do you own property? Do you have a yard? Have you ever paid neighborhood kids to rake your leaves or shovel your snow? Have you ever hired a landscaping company?

Do you think they charge the same rates? Do you wonder why they don't charge the same rates?

That's the free market in action, that's why waiting tables at IHOP isn't the same as serving customers at a 5 star restaurant. Better more valuable people get better paying jobs. That's why the cashier at McDonald's makes less than the waiter/waitress at IHOP.

What labor law?

All of them, get rid of them all.

What's being over regulated? When the economy blew up in 2008 it wasn't regulated.

That was due to the government you retard, the government interfered in the loan industry.

All government interference in the consensual agreements between employees and employers, all of these insane environmental, and workplace safety, all the stupid diversity quotas, and accommodations for disabilities are ruining the economy.

So sound like a crazy big government commie.

Any number of industries who have used 'regulation' to corner markets for the elite....it's something Democrats LOVE to do.

That's not helpful for poor people who would like to start their own small businesses instead of being wage slaves for wal mart. Downside to socialism.....

Christ, I can't believe you said something I agree with...

To bad you don't realize that the only side of socialism, throw the baby with the bath water, I say.

 

[BotanyBoy]

They don't need trillions.

We don't need to be the world's police,

They need more than the entire Mormon, Mennonite, Amish and Confucius communities total worth combined.

I agree with that along with most of the liburhulz, when will conservative/republicans get on board?

If the government was held to a strict budget, and and fraud or waste was severely punished (asset forfeiture and public execution),

The military even as stripped down as it is now would not be funded by the groups you said should be the only Americans.

besides government should be so small you might forget it is even there.

No it shouldn't because that means there is no government.

You can experience that in most 3rd world shit holes any time you want buddy, but I'm willing to bet you ain't got the hair on your ass to go live in any country where government is so small you forget it's even there.

Other religions are dangerous and go against American principles.

No, people like you who want to destroy freedom of religion go against American principles.

Mormon's in America give 10% (six billion) to the LDS church, they could do the same for the government, and the Mormons are just one small demographic of the population, are you stupid? Why do you keep focusing on the religions I said would be allowed?

Six billion couldn't keep the lights on in Utah schools much less fund the US military.

Because without all the other people not of those religions that you deported/executed you don't get to maintain the technological/military/economic power that the USA currently enjoys. We would become a 3rd world shit hole with broke down F-22's rotting on the runway.

It did before big government started turning this country into a crony-capitalist/fascist shithole.

No it didn't, the USA has never had a free market.

Do you in your deranged socialist piss-can of a mind even understand what a free market is?

Yep, it's lawless capitalism and looks like the Congo.

Do you own property? Do you have a yard? Have you ever paid neighborhood kids to rake your leaves or shovel your snow? Have you ever hired a landscaping company?

Lots of it, nope don't have neighborhood kids.

Do you think they charge the same rates? Do you wonder why they don't charge the same rates?

Nope I know why. B/c one has a licence, insurance and puts up with tons of government bullshit and the other is illegal black market labor.

That's the free market in action

No that's government regulation in action.

 

[srgreene]

We haven't phased in 20 years....Reaganomics was bullshit and the tickle down never happened, now we are at the doubling point just to get above water.

ergo, fact

Nope, not fact at all. Reagan set off one of the great economic growth periods of the 20th century. Stagnation of the middle class is a tribute largely to Clinton- who prepared the way for the trillion dollar housing debacle- and Obama, who has presided over possibly the weakest recovery since WWII.

Your comments are full of vapid bloviation devoid of any intellectual substance.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Nope, not fact at all. Reagan set off one of the great economic growth periods of the 20th century.

If you're part of that elite crowd.

Everyone not part of the upper crust has been in a 30 year stand still waiting for the trickle down all the elites promised.

And Clinton was a Republican.

 

[srgreene]

And Clinton was a Republican.

You are a hoot. Or would be, if you weren't so deceptive.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You are a hoot. Or would be, if you weren't so deceptive.

Deceptive?LOL

And it's true. Except for the gun bit the guy was largely republican and so is Hillary.

They both love big money and want to do everything they can to help big money get and keep even more money.

 

[Real_American11]

I really hate scumbags like you...

They need more than the entire Mormon, Mennonite, Amish and Confucius communities total worth combined.

I didn't include Mennonites, I said Quakers.

I agree with that along with most of the liburhulz, when will conservative/republicans get on board?

The Dems are just as war hungry.

[/quote]The military even as stripped down as it is now would not be funded by the groups you said should be the only Americans.[/quote]The military is not stripped down nearly enough, and the point is not to just spend less, but to spend smarter... we waste most of our military spending on things that do nothing to strengthen our military.

One of my bodies was a Data/Comm Marine, he showed me a digital switch that was bought by the government for $50,000 when the same model could be bought for $5,000 online.

I could reduce our military spending by 90% and improve our military by at least x4 times.

The same could be aid for all government spending. Hell at least 50% of the things government is spending on are not found with in the proper roles of government to begin with.

If you owned a meat packing company, and found that 10% of the companies money was being spent of canned cheese, you don't look for a cheaper brand... you fire the asshole making the purchases, and send him to prison.

No it shouldn't because that means there is no government.

No it means you have small government.

No, people like you who want to destroy freedom of religion go against American principles.

We don't have freedom of religion, if I start a Mayan deathcult and start sacrificing virgins to Quetzalcoatl or a Satanic cult and start killing people in the name Baphomet would that be okay?

If you religion is a danger to this country, it is not protected.

Six billion couldn't keep the lights on in Utah schools much less fund the US military.

Good, we shouldn't have public schools anyway.

Because without all the other people not of those religions that you deported/executed you don't get to maintain the technological/military/economic power that the USA currently enjoys.

Most of Americans are non-religious, plus atheists, agnostics, we could do just fine with no Muslims, Jews, Catholics, or Evangelicals...

No it didn't, the USA has never had a free market.

Yes it did, maybe your pinko professors didn't tell you that while they sang anti-colonialism anthems and preached the evils of white patriarchy... but yes at one time this was indeed the land of the free.

Yep, it's lawless capitalism and looks like the Congo.

Explain how capitalism exists in the Congo... now explain why I care? Capitalism is not a form of government, is the Congo a democratically representative constitutionality republic? Was it founded by white protestant men?

The mugger in the alley and the chief at your sushi bar both have knives... that's about where the similarities end.

Nope I know why. B/c one has a licence, insurance and puts up with tons of government bullshit and the other is illegal black market labor.

So it has nothing to do with the quality of the work, the time it takes to finish, etc.

So kids doing their neighbors lawn is "illegal black market labor", my god I'd hate to hear your thoughts on lemonade and cookie stands...

No that's government regulation in action.

So a waiter making more money at Le Bernardin than one at an IHOP is because of "government regulation"...

What a sad pathetic little thing you are, the world must be such a confusing place through your SJW-lensed glassed.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I really hate scumbags like you...

Why? What's so scummy about me?

I'm a V8 driving white enough guy who owns bidnizzez n' propertwah, pays taxes and is a combat veteran to boot.

If I were any more American I'd be an apple pie between huge tits of a hot blond that was sitting IN the V8 powered G ride.
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The Dems are just as war hungry.

Not really. Money yes, war not quite as much.

If you religion is a danger to this country, it is not protected.

Right, no right is absolute. You can't slander and you can't own weapons of mass destruction either.

But I can still worship whatever god I want without fear of persecution as long as my worshiping falls within the confines of the other laws.

Most of Americans are non-religious, plus atheists, agnostics, we could do just fine with no Muslims, Jews, Catholics, or Evangelicals...

There simply isn't any part of this that isn't total fantasy.

Yes it did, maybe your pinko professors didn't tell you that while they sang anti-colonialism anthems and preached the evils of white patriarchy... but yes at one time this was indeed the land of the free.

Only if you were a white property owning male...it was anything but free for the non-elite.

When only 12% of the country is free that's not a land of freedom or a free market.

No amount of calling it communist will change that fact.

So a waiter making more money at Le Bernardin than one at an IHOP is because of "government regulation"....

I didn't say that...now why are you moving goal post and making shit up like that?

 

[Real_American11]

Why? What's so scummy about me?

You're a dishonest socialist scum fuck that wants the US to be the neo-USSR or EU.

I'm a V8 driving white enough guy who owns bidnizzez n' propertwah, pays taxes and is a combat veteran to boot.

Sagging you're pants doesn't make you a thug, and lifting your pinky doesn't make you a lady.

Not really. Money yes, war not quite as much.

Then why do we keep overthrowing dictators in the Middle East and causing chaos? Last I checked Obama's been in office the last two terms. Can't blame Georgie Boy anymore.

Right, no right is absolute. You can't slander and you can't own weapons of mass destruction either.

All rights are absolute, unless they infringe on someone else's.

I don't believe in WMD, it's a meaningless buzzword. A hand grenade could be a WMD.

But I can still worship whatever god I want without fear of persecution as long as my worshiping falls within the confines of the other laws.

We didn't allow Commies in the Cold War, we should allow religions that preach doctrine in direct conflict with American principles, and our Constitution. An example is the Communist Control Act of 1954...

A religion is no different than an ideology.

There simply isn't any part of this that isn't total fantasy.

What part is fantasy? Do you think the majority of the US population is Muslim, Jew, Catholic, or Evangelical?

Only if you were a white property owning male...it was anything but free for the non-elite.

In the land of the free any white man could work hard and one day own land, or at least his children or grand children could.

When only 12% of the country is free that's not a land of freedom or a free market.

Political suffrage has nothing to do with a free market.

1% of the population could vote and we could still have a free market economy.

Not everyone deserves to vote, voting is a responsibility, it is earned, it shouldn't be taken lightly or given out easily.

Do we let non-citizens vote? Do we let felons vote? Do we let children vote?

We should never have allowed woman, blacks, non-land owning white men, etc. to vote.

Also, voting should be earned through military service and other civic duties. Why should people that don't pay taxes be able to vote for politicians that will increase taxes to pay for welfare or any other government program? Why should a person that refuses to go to combat be allowed to vote for a politician that wants to send are sons to die on foreign sands?

We should also have history, civics, government, history, and English language tests, to qualify for voting. As well as strict identification, and residency requirements.

If you move to the US, you must wait X-amount of time after gaining Citizenship before you can vote in federal elections, if you move to a new state, or city again a waiting period before you can vote in this new location.

I didn't say that...now why are you moving goal post and making shit up like that?

Yes you did!

That's the free market in action, that's why waiting tables at IHOP isn't the same as serving customers at a 5 star restaurant.

No that's government regulation in action.

So a waiter making more money at Le Bernardin than one at an IHOP is because of "government regulation"...

 

[BotanyBoy]

You're a dishonest socialist scum fuck that wants the US to be the neo-USSR or EU.

No I don't. That's all made up shit you assume.

Sagging you're pants doesn't make you a thug, and lifting your pinky doesn't make you a lady.

LOL no it doesn't but that doesn't make me any less American.

And neither does supporting public roads/infrastructure, military, education, medical care, scientific exploration and industrial investments.

Then why do we keep overthrowing dictators in the Middle East and causing chaos? Last I checked Obama's been in office the last two terms. Can't blame Georgie Boy anymore.

Yet look how hard the Republicans are screeching about how he's gutted the military, been a pussy in the middle east and how we need to send everything we got to go stomp ISIS out.

Sorry guy...(D)'s are not as war mongery as (R)'s.

All rights are absolute, unless they infringe on someone else's.

That bold 'unless' negates everything you put in front of it.

Sorry, no rights are absolute.

In the land of the free any white man could work hard and one day own land, or at least his children or grand children could.

How exactly was the other 70% of the population who didn't even have that as a fantasy free?

 

[Real_American11]

No I don't. That's all made up shit you assume.

It's inferred from your radical progressive stances.

And neither does supporting public roads/infrastructure, military, education, medical care, scientific exploration and industrial investments.

Yes it makes you a communist.

We aren't even supposed to have a standing army. Everything else would just fin in the private sector with competition pushing improvements, and lower cost and no theft by the government.

Bill Gates doesn't put a gun to people's heads to sell his software and Steve Jobs wasn't beating people over the head to sell his phones.

Yet look how hard the Republicans are screeching about how he's gutted the military, been a pussy in the middle east and how we need to send everything we got to go stomp ISIS out.

Well he is a pussy, also ISIS is just a cover for the CIA and Delta Force.

Sorry guy...(D)'s are not as war mongery as (R)'s.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-s...publicans-support-prolonging-afghanistan-war/

That bold 'unless' negates everything you put in front of it.

No it doesn't. You're right to extend your arm out and ball your fist is absolute, but punching me in the face isn't a right.

How exactly was the other 70% of the population who didn't even have that as a fantasy free?

You work hard and one day you own land, then you'd be a white land owning male (preferably Protestant and not a Catholic or Jew), blacks weren't really people back then (same today really), neither were the Irish, Chinamen, etc. didn't count.

Woman don't count because the man owned the land, served in the military, etc. The woman is built for domestic work and raising the children, she leaves the big things to the man.

 

[BotanyBoy]

It's inferred from your radical progressive stances.

What radical progressive stances?

Yes it makes you a communist.

Then you clearly have no understanding of the word.

No it doesn't.

Yes it does. No rights are absolute.

You work hard and one day you own land,

That wasn't even an option for the vast majority of the population.

How is that freedom much less a free market?

How is a market or a nation for that matter free when only elite white males are allowed to participate?

 

[Real_American11]

What radical progressive stances?

All of them.

Then you clearly have no understanding of the word.

Better than yours.

Yes it does. No rights are absolute.

Yes it is. All rights are absolute, attacking someone isn't a right, but defending from attack is.

Are you saying self-defense isn't an absolute right?

That wasn't even an option for the vast majority of the population.

Sure it was, you worked, you saved what you could, if you were smart you might even use your savings as capital in an entrepreneurial manner, if you don't make it big, you pass your savings down to your children, and give them a better start than you had.

Sooner or later you or your descendants will climb the socio-economic ladder. Better than living in a class society like India or England.

How is that freedom much less a free market?

You keep trying to combine a free market with universal suffrage.

They have nothing to do with each other, you could have a society with both, neither, or either one...

How is a market or a nation for that matter free when only elite white males are allowed to participate?

Just because only white land owning men can vote, doesn't mean others can work, earn and spend money, or even own land. They just can't vote.

 

[BotanyBoy]

All of them.

So none then! Cool.

All rights are absolute.

No they are not. Otherwise we wouldn't bicker over them in the Supreme Court so much.

Sure it was,

If you were a white male.

Otherwise it absolutely was not.

There never has been ever a free market economy in the US.

Ever.

 

[Real_American11]

So none then! Cool.

Yes all of them.

No they are not.

Yes they are.

Otherwise we wouldn't bicker over them in the Supreme Court so much.

The Supreme court made themselves necessary. The USSC needs major reform. And their rulings should be thrown out.

If you were a white male.

Wrong, anyone could.

Otherwise it absolutely was not.

See above.

There never has been ever a free market economy in the US.

Yes there was.

Ever.

In the founding there was.

 

[sr71plt]

Happiness will be when you two finally get down to just one-word answers to the other's quote sections. At least you're working in that direction.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Yes all of them.

Yet you can't actually name one.

Yes they are.

The Supreme court made themselves necessary.

No they aren't....exactly they are necessary because absolute rights don't actually work in the real world.

Wrong, anyone could.
See above.

Yes there was.

In the founding there was.

No they couldn't.

You're dreaming about a fantasy that never existed. Gubbmint of the US been regulatin' and fucking people since day 1, it's the nature of every functioning government that has ever existed in all of recorded history including the United States of America.

 

[Real_American11]

Yet you can't actually name one.

Everything you say is insane progressive garbage.

No they aren't....exactly they are necessary because absolute rights don't actually work in the real world.

Yes they do. Also, violence is the supreme authority from which all other authorities are derived.

No they couldn't.

Yes they could.

You're dreaming about a fantasy that never existed. Gubbmint of the US been regulatin' and fucking people since day 1, it's the nature of every functioning government that has ever existed in all of recorded history including the United States of America.

No only in your progressive revisionist history.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Everything you say is insane progressive garbage.

Yes they do. Also, violence is the supreme authority from which all other authorities are derived.

Yes they could.

No only in your progressive revisionist history.

Like I said you're living in an absolute fantasy world LOL

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[BotanyBoy]

To bad you don't realize that the only side of socialism, throw the baby with the bath water, I say.

No it's not....Socialism gets the trash picked up and builds nice roads for me to drive my G-ride on.

Well I'm glad the decline of Western Civilization and American Exceptionalism pleases you so much, when your grandchildren are feeding off corpses in the streets just to survive, I think you be less amused.

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[dan_c00000]

Happiness will be when you two finally get down to just one-word answers to the other's quote sections. At least you're working in that direction.

I think bot has found someone on his intellectual level. He's happier than a pig in shit right now I bet.

 

[Real_American11]

Like I said you're living in an absolute fantasy world LOL

No, you're living in a socialist pipe dream.

No it's not....Socialism gets the trash picked up and builds nice roads for me to drive my G-ride on.

It also keeps you in a soup line and driving a Trabant.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I think bot has found someone on his intellectual level. He's happier than a pig in shit right now I bet.

Says the idiot who still thinks I'm a Teahaddist LOL

No, you're living in a socialist pipe dream.

Nope I'm living in the real world where socialism fixes my roads and picks up my trash.

It also keeps you in a soup line and driving a Trabant.

LOL don't you wish.

 

[Real_American11]

Nope I'm living in the real world where socialism fixes my roads and picks up my trash.

And the free market under capitalism would do it better, quicker, and for less money.

LOL don't you wish.

You are the enemy of freedom, I wish you died in a wood chipper.

 

[BotanyBoy]

And the free market under capitalism would do it better, quicker, and for less money.

If you could find any examples of this ever happening I might buy that.

But reality shows that capitalism and socialism together actually work better than either or.

You are the enemy of freedom, I wish you died in a wood chipper.

You can't even say how I'm the enemy of freedom which is why you wish I was dead.

Awwww......