Muslim Attack - This Guy Was WHITE

[TheWhiteBull]

Not that unlikely that someone would do something for one reason and claim they were doing it to some other reason--piggybacking on a "greater" cause with more news value. I don't know the circumstance of this case. It's just that your reading of what people do doesn't hold up.

I get that people piggyback but they tend to do that to causes they can be easily connected to or identified with. Like the other American Muslim domestic terrorists who had no actual connection to Isis but were Muslim beforehand. Or black people shooting cops and linking it to Black Lives Matter, or abortion clinic bombers claiming God called them to do it. They usually have some sort of common thread with the group they utilize.

 

[sr71plt]

I get that people piggyback but they tend to do that to causes they can be easily connected to or identified with.

Well, no, not always. Sometimes they do just for the hell of it and because they are confused, which isn't hard to be if you're doing this to begin with. Both the authorities and media backtrack and verify all of this after the fact--and sometimes have gotten it wrong in describing it right after the attack, thus showing their hard-edged prejudices. This generalization just doesn't hold as a universal. Again, I don't know what this specific case is in this regard. Sweeping generalizations aren't helpful, though. They point to hard-minded dogmatism, which should be checked and challenged. The world doesn't fit in such hard-edged boxes and nothing constructive results from being that dogmatic.

 

[TheWhiteBull]

Well, no, not always. Sometimes they do just for the hell of it and because they are confused, which isn't hard to be if you're doing this to begin with. Both the authorities and media backtrack and verify all of this after the fact--and sometimes have gotten it wrong in describing it right after the attack, thus showing their hard-edged prejudices. This generalization just doesn't hold as a universal. Again, I don't know what this specific case is in this regard. Sweeping generalizations aren't helpful, though. They point to hard-minded dogmatism, which should be checked and challenged. The world doesn't fit in such hard-edged boxes and nothing constructive results from being that dogmatic.

A generalization is just that, a general statement. Any sane person can make a generalization and accept that its not always going to hold true. Instead of pointing to dogmatism they might just point to statistical facts, trends, patterns, etc. Denying that is just being dogmatic. No the world doean't fit in a box but it does follow a bell curve.

I will admit that my generalizations about piggybacking are based on my experiences and memories and what/how I see the world and not statistics but your attempted refutation of them rely on the same.

 

[sr71plt]

I rather think your view is controlled by dogged dogmatism, as you've illustrated. We get that on both sides, of course. Your original "always," has gotten watered down to a more reasonable "sometimes" and "what my narrow mind chooses to see," which at least is more realistic.

No, it's not true that every time a mad attacker yells "Allah Akbar" that his/her real motivation is as an agent sent by ISIS.

 

[TheWhiteBull]

I rather think your view is controlled by dogged dogmatism, as you've illustrated. We get that on both sides, of course. Your original "always," has gotten watered down to a more reasonable "sometimes" and "what my narrow mind chooses to see," which at least is more realistic.

No, it's not true that every time a mad attacker yells "Allah Akbar" that his/her real motivation is as an agent sent by ISIS.

I just double-checked my posts to make sure, and I never used the word "always" I said tend to, usually, and possible but improbable.

I never claimed that every Muslim terrorist is associated with ISIS, in fact I said pretty explicitly that the domestic American Muslim attacks are an example of piggybacking. Plus that does a disservice to the Taliban, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, Hezbollah, and any other muslim terrorist groups out there dont you think?

If you're going to debate me then quote me.

 

[dan_c00000]

ETA: However you might want to look over this: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-justin-nolan-sullivan-was-turned-dad-n379721

Weeks later, an undercover operative made contact with Sullivan, who allegedly told him, "I liked IS from the beginning, then I started thinking about death and stuff so I became a Muslim."

That's called evidence and you found it! Good job. It only took you two days. Notice how Sullivan said he became a Muslim and it isn't complete conjecture on your part.

I'm also unclear as to how John Walker Lindh helps your case. He was a white muslim convert so he helps op's case.

Lindh actually converted. He became a Muslim. Until two hours ago you and box had no proof. That would be like me saying the Yankees are Communists because they traded illegally with Cuba or that ChevronTexaco were a bunch of Islamists because they traded illegally with Iran. See how that article says no such thing? You guys tried that move and started implying a bunch of shit with no proof. It makes you look less pathetic when you've got evidence to backup a claim.

 

[Chris_Michael]

Well, no, not always. Sometimes they do just for the hell of it and because they are confused, which isn't hard to be if you're doing this to begin with. Both the authorities and media backtrack and verify all of this after the fact--and sometimes have gotten it wrong in describing it right after the attack, thus showing their hard-edged prejudices. This generalization just doesn't hold as a universal. Again, I don't know what this specific case is in this regard. Sweeping generalizations aren't helpful, though. They point to hard-minded dogmatism, which should be checked and challenged. The world doesn't fit in such hard-edged boxes and nothing constructive results from being that dogmatic.

Wait so just because he's white, you think it's less likely that he could be Muslim. I bet if he were brown, you wouldn't question it, you racist.

 

[TheWhiteBull]

Lindh actually converted. He became a Muslim. Until two hours ago you and box had no proof. That would be like me saying the Yankees are Communists because they traded illegally with Cuba or that ChevronTexaco were a bunch of Islamists because they traded illegally with Iran. See how that article says no such thing? You guys tried that move and started implying a bunch of shit with no proof. It makes you look less pathetic when you've got evidence to backup a claim.

I never said he had or hadn't converted, merely that I found it improbable that he hadn't since he was prepared to carry out an attack on Isis's behalf. What really makes it less pathetic is if you address somebody's actual staements. Of course if you did that you would admit you were wrong about Chris and Christianity.

 

[TheWhiteBull]

Wait so just because he's white, you think it's less likely that he could be Muslim. I bet if he were brown, you wouldn't question it, you racist.

He's not going to hear the sarcasm or hyperbole in that.

 

[Chris_Michael]

He's not going to hear the sarcasm or hyperbole in that.

I'm just glad I have some quotes to come back to when these idiots use mass murder from white guys as examples of Christian Terrorism. Because now I'll just say, "Oh no, people just do that for the hell of it, not because of religion."

People who frown upon Christianity but support Islam and then call themselves Liberals are what's wrong with the Left.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I'm just glad I have some quotes to come back to when these idiots use mass murder from white guys as examples of Christian Terrorism. Because now I'll just say, "Oh no, people just do that for the hell of it, not because of religion."

People who frown upon Christianity but support Islam and then call themselves Liberals are what's wrong with the Left.

Well, that's certainly one thing wrong with Liberals. Considering what Muslims are doing now, I can't see how Liberals can support them, because their actions are the opposite of everything Libs claim to stand for. Women are virtually chattel,; they commit mass murder; they practice slavery; they oppress gays and lesbians and put them to death. I'm not defending Christianity, but the evil deeds done in the name of the Nazarene are nothing compared to what is done in the name of Allah and the Pedophile.

 

[Chris_Michael]

Well, that's certainly one thing wrong with Liberals. Considering what Muslims are doing now, I can't see how Liberals can support them, because their actions are the opposite of everything Libs claim to stand for. Women are virtually chattel,; they commit mass murder; they practice slavery; they oppress gays and lesbians and put them to death. I'm not defending Christianity, but the evil deeds done in the name of the Nazarene are nothing compared to what is done in the name of Allah and the Pedophile.

Yeah, it's funny how they completely ignore the obvious shit like forcing a woman to cover from head to toe or else she gets beaten. Or how about beheading somebody because they are gay.

Liberals do some crazy ass mental gymnastics to convince themselves that it's equal to MODERN Christianity.

"Oh durp What about the Crusades!? YOU RACIST.... I mean, Islamophobic. Oh wait, most people who are Muslim are brown so this guy must think all Muslims are brown. So I can project my own racial bias here. Yeah, RACIST! DERP!"

I swear, Liberals are just Edgelord Conservatives. That's all.

 

[just4friends]

Does this fit your thread?

"The frequency of far-right attacks is particularly significant in the United States, where white supremacist, anti-government and neo-Nazi extremists have been responsible for 73 percent of deadly terrorist attacks since Sept. 11, 2001, according to the Government Accountability Office. Also notable is that in many cases, Muslims have become the target of violence."

Add one for 9/11 if you want to go back a day. Add one to anti-goverment of yiu want to add baseball tragedy. Remember this is attacks, not deaths. One radio host. Hold not fathom that.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/21/opinion/finsbury-park-terrorist-attack-far-right.html

Horrid shit on both sides!!
This recent abduction and killing of Mulim girl was not included nor was it big news or even "Fake" news
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.bu...e-us-mosque-found-murdered-in-virginia-2017-6

"Can't we all just get along?!!"

Deep state bullshit... right?
http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

 

[just4friends]

Note... it's American policy to support Saudi Arabia.. we all have to own that

 

[magicalmoments]

Yeah, it's funny how they completely ignore the obvious shit like forcing a woman to cover from head to toe or else she gets beaten. Or how about beheading somebody because they are gay.

Liberals do some crazy ass mental gymnastics to convince themselves that it's equal to MODERN Christianity.

"Oh durp What about the Crusades!? YOU RACIST.... I mean, Islamophobic. Oh wait, most people who are Muslim are brown so this guy must think all Muslims are brown. So I can project my own racial bias here. Yeah, RACIST! DERP!"

I swear, Liberals are just Edgelord Conservatives. That's all.

You're sounding demented and confused.

Liberals are Edgelord conservatives? That statement is oxymoronic. Makes absolutely no sense at all.

 

[Boxlicker101]

"The frequency of far-right attacks is particularly significant in the United States, where white supremacist, anti-government and neo-Nazi extremists have been responsible for 73 percent of deadly terrorist attacks since Sept. 11, 2001, according to the Government Accountability Office. Also notable is that in many cases, Muslims have become the target of violence."

Add one for 9/11 if you want to go back a day. Add one to anti-goverment of yiu want to add baseball tragedy. Remember this is attacks, not deaths. One radio host. Hold not fathom that.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/21/opinion/finsbury-park-terrorist-attack-far-right.html

Horrid shit on both sides!!
This recent abduction and killing of Mulim girl was not included nor was it big news or even "Fake" news
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.bu...e-us-mosque-found-murdered-in-virginia-2017-6

"Can't we all just get along?!!"

Deep state bullshit... right?
http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

First, I find that 73% to probably be too high. From where did you garner the figures? Second, how do you know whether or not a perp is a white supremacist? This is a term that gets tossed around so freely it can't always be true. However, you can probably include Neo-nazis in such a group, but there aren't really all that many of those. Third, why do you include anti-government in your figures? I have found most anti-government types to be leftists or nonpolitical.

Fourth, you mentioned including 9-11 and said "Add one." One what? This was certainly not a right-wing attack, and was actually four attacks. Fifth, what you call the "baseball tragedy" was an attack on Republicans, and certainly not by rightists.

Fifth, the murder of the Muslim girl was probably non-political, although that is not known yet.

Sixth, your post is so full of errors it is hard to answer.

 

[phrodeau]

(edited)

First, I find that 73% to probably be too high. From where did you garner the figures? Second, how do you know whether or not a perp is a white supremacist?

Yeah, I'll bet that those guys all converted to Islam the day before.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Yeah, I'll bet that those guys all converted to Islam the day before.

What guys are those?

 

[just4friends]

Click a link. The first paragraph was in The NY Times

Islamic terrorist attacks in the US.... 1/3 of the other
Go question those who made the statistics
9/11 would add ...well 4 attacks to the Islamic side

Yeah..the attack on the girl was not motivated by her religion at all??
Equal to any attack by Radical Islam. Period

 

[just4friends]

Click a link. The first paragraph was in The NY Times

Islamic terrorist attacks in the US.... 1/3 of the other
Go question those who made the statistics
9/11 would add ...well 4 attacks to the Islamic side

Yeah..the attack on the girl was not motivated by her religion at all??
Equal to any attack by Radical Islam. Period

Mistakes? Tell me which ones?
http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

 

[Chris_Michael]

"The frequency of far-right attacks is particularly significant in the United States, where white supremacist, anti-government and neo-Nazi extremists have been responsible for 73 percent of deadly terrorist attacks since Sept. 11, 2001, according to the Government Accountability Office. Also notable is that in many cases, Muslims have become the target of violence."

Add one for 9/11 if you want to go back a day. Add one to anti-goverment of yiu want to add baseball tragedy. Remember this is attacks, not deaths. One radio host. Hold not fathom that.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/21/opinion/finsbury-park-terrorist-attack-far-right.html

Horrid shit on both sides!!
This recent abduction and killing of Mulim girl was not included nor was it big news or even "Fake" news
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.bu...e-us-mosque-found-murdered-in-virginia-2017-6

"Can't we all just get along?!!"

Deep state bullshit... right?
http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

You are more likely to die from one of my raunchy, atomic farts on a hot, humid day than you are at the hands of a white extremist. So, it's not a problem. Not a problem at all. As a matter of fact, we should respect the laws of these extremists. We don't want to make them feel uncomfortable here in this tolerant country.

That's right, on behalf of all Liberals, we just want to say we respect all white extremists and we accept you for who you are. Hey, and don't worry. Black people already set up the separate water fountains and they want to be away from white people anyway. So, feel free to segregate.

PARTY!!!

 

[just4friends]

Odd
My post linked something like 215 "terrorist" attacks
Go research
Odds of dying ? Then you need to look at numbers of deaths
http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

Or just continue conjecturing

It would be interesting to see same data for the world

 

[dan_c00000]

Liberals do some crazy ass mental gymnastics to convince themselves that it's equal to MODERN Christianity.

I've never seen anyone say that. I mean you're a hate fill Islamophobic coward for sure. But I've never seen or read and say the two are equivalent.

For example, you condemn the way Islam treats women. Well, what about the way the Catholic church continues to have their priests and higher ups charged with sexual abuse? Are you going to condemn that?

By the way have you joined up to fight ISIS yet? Here's another militia you can join.

 

[TheWhiteBull]

Odd
My post linked something like 215 "terrorist" attacks
Go research
Odds of dying ? Then you need to look at numbers of deaths
http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

Or just continue conjecturing

It would be interesting to see same data for the world

From the material you linked "The September 11, 2001, attacks account for the largest number of fatalities in the United States in a single or closely-related attack resulting from violent extremism in recent decades. While the September 11, 2001, attacks were perpetrated by foreign violent extremists, from September 12, 2001 through December 31, 2016, attacks by domestic or “homegrown” violent extremists in the United States resulted in 225 fatalities, according to the ECDB. Of these, 106 were killed by far right violent extremists in 62 separate incidents, and 119 were victims of radical Islamist violent extremists in 23 separate incidents."

So essentially it is a nearly equal chance on the domestic side, because the radical muslims were more efficient. But as far as I am aware there haven't been many/any cases of international white supremacist terrorism in the US.

 

[TheWhiteBull]

I've never seen anyone say that. I mean you're a hate fill Islamophobic coward for sure. But I've never seen or read and say the two are equivalent.

For example, you condemn the way Islam treats women. Well, what about the way the Catholic church continues to have their priests and higher ups charged with sexual abuse? Are you going to condemn that?

By the way have you joined up to fight ISIS yet? Here's another militia you can join.

The fact that we've already addressed he hates Christianity just as much and you're still on this shows you're not here to have a serious conversation.