New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani

[Wilson23]

True, but your brand of "admiration" for them is exactly the basis for a whole lot of the anti-Semitism that's out there. It's best we don't lose sight of that.

The Nazis did not see Jews as INFERIOR, like white American racists see blacks. They saw them as SUPERIOR -- and dangerous -- very intelligent and capable, but evil by hereditary nature.

 

[YDB95]

The Nazis did not see Jews as INFERIOR, like white American racists see blacks. They saw them as SUPERIOR -- and dangerous -- very intelligent and capable, but evil by hereditary nature.

My point exactly.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Those don't support Hamas, they support the Palestinians.

They were literally chanting “We are Hamas!”

 

[Wilson23]

They were literally chanting “We are Hamas!”

What ELSE would anyone chant who wants to support the Palestinians? You can't work "Palestinians" into a chant.

 

[YDB95]

What ELSE would anyone chant who wants to support the Palestinians? You can't work "Palestinians" into a chant.

Now, that is not fair. Most people who support a Palestinian state recognize that Hamas is a terrorist group, and would not want the two conflated in any way. So anyone who is claiming to support Hamas as a way of supporting Palestine is really hurting their cause in a very big way.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Now, that is not fair. Most people who support a Palestinian state recognize that Hamas is a terrorist group, and would not want the two conflated in any way. So anyone who is claiming to support Hamas as a way of supporting Palestine is really hurting their cause in a very big way.

I find the timing quite curious.
It would seem this is the very first "Pro Hamas" rally since Israel began it's genocidal campaign against Gaza two years ago.

Lots of "free Palestine" and "two state solution" rallies and calls to stop the Israeli genocide have occurred over the past two years, but newly elected NYC Mayor Zohran Mamdani makes an appearance at a synagogue and quicker than you can say "Israel government policy starves innocent children", a mob of "Hamas supporters" show up right on cue and yammer at the television cameras.

This whole episode absolutely reeks of a "false flag" operation.

Who benefits the most from this faux "protest"? Zionists, of course, they get an opportunity to wallow in their perpetual victimhood.

Who suffer the most from this faux "protest"? Mayor Mamdani, which of course seems to have been the plan all along...
"tie Mamdani to Hamas".

Can anyone provide any video of any other specifically "pro Hamas" demonstration in America in the past two years?
I'd wager there hasn't been any.

 

[JohnEngelman]

True, but your brand of "admiration" for them is exactly the basis for a whole lot of the anti-Semitism that's out there. It's best we don't lose sight of that.

Anti-Semitism has aptly been called "the socialism of fools." It combines religious and ethnic bigotry and the politics of envy. Jews are the most accomplished 0.7% of the human population. Hitler did not begin to hate Jews until he failed in his efforts to become an artist and an architect. Joseph Goebbels did not begin to hate Jews until he had failed in his efforts to become a novelist.

If I was Jewish, I would not draw attention to this. Jews are humble. That is why they are drawn to the left. No matter how successful they become most remember the poverty of the ghetto the shtetl, and the lower east side of Manhattan.

 

[YDB95]

Anti-Semitism has aptly been called "the socialism of fools." It combines religious and ethnic bigotry and the politics of envy. Jews are the most accomplished 0.7% of the human population. Hitler did not begin to hate Jews until he failed in his efforts to become an artist and an architect. Joseph Goebbels did not begin to hate Jews until he had failed in his efforts to become a novelist.

If I was Jewish, I would not draw attention to this. Jews are humble. That is why they are drawn to the left. No matter how successful they become most remember the poverty of the ghetto the shtetl, and the lower east side of Manhattan.

Interesting, but irrelevant to my point, which is that your putting them on a pedestal the way you do is not a positive thing in the bigger picture.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I find the timing quite curious.
It would seem this is the very first "Pro Hamas" rally since Israel began it's genocidal campaign against Gaza two years ago.

Lots of "free Palestine" and "two state solution" rallies and calls to stop the Israeli genocide have occurred over the past two years, but newly elected NYC Mayor Zohran Mamdani makes an appearance at a synagogue and quicker than you can say "Israel government policy starves innocent children", a mob of "Hamas supporters" show up right on cue and yammer at the television cameras.

This whole episode absolutely reeks of a "false flag" operation.

Who benefits the most from this faux "protest"? Zionists, of course, they get an opportunity to wallow in their perpetual victimhood.

Who suffer the most from this faux "protest"? Mayor Mamdani, which of course seems to have been the plan all along...
"tie Mamdani to Hamas".

Can anyone provide any video of any other specifically "pro Hamas" demonstration in America in the past two years?
I'd wager there hasn't been any.

“False flag” claims are the last refuge of conspiracy theorists.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Interesting, but irrelevant to my point, which is that your putting them on a pedestal the way you do is not a positive thing in the bigger picture.

Why not? What do I say about Jews that is not true? Keep in mind I am not Jewish. What is the bigger picture?

 

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I blame Mamdani.

 

[YDB95]

Why not? What do I say about Jews that is not true?

That they're more intelligent than everyone else. Like I always say, positive stereotypes can be just as hurtful as negative ones.
Besides - and we've been over this a million times - it's not whether or not what you say is true, it's the reasons why it's true (if in fact it is).

 

[Wilson23]

Also, that kind of praise only reinforces the general idea that there are hereditary psychological differences between "races" -- and historically, that idea has caused nothing but trouble and grief.

 

[RobDownSouth]

“False flag” claims are the last refuge of conspiracy theorists.

Your claim would have a lot more credibility if you could locate ONE other "pro Hamas" rally in America since October 7, 2023.

Good luck with your search.

 

[Wilson23]

“False flag” claims are the last refuge of conspiracy theorists.

I daresay they are one of the first.

 

[Lazaran]

Your claim would have a lot more credibility if you could locate ONE other "pro Hamas" rally in America since October 7, 2023.

Good luck with your search.

Um,…

“The Peoples Conference for Palestine”, 2025:

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The conference featured sessions that included calls for direct action against Israel and discussions on strategies to "isolate Israel." Some speakers openly praised violent tactics and expressed support for groups like Hamas, which has raised concerns among various communities, particularly Jewish organizations.

The event highlighted a growing trend of extremism within certain pro-Palestinian movements, reflecting a shift in rhetoric and tactics since the October 7, 2023, attacks by Hamas.



A rally / protest???



Side note:

In light of that conference and the disgusting statements by some of the invited speakers, is it impossible to imagine that there IS a domestic network of support for Hamas in America??? In New York???



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[JohnEngelman]

That they're more intelligent than everyone else. Like I always say, positive stereotypes can be just as hurtful as negative ones.
Besides - and we've been over this a million times - it's not whether or not what you say is true, it's the reasons why it's true (if in fact it is).

I never said that Jews are "more intelligent than everyone else." That would assert that every Jew is more intelligent than every other human. I do not believe that. I do not think that way.

 

[Wilson23]

I never said that Jews are "more intelligent than everyone else." That would assert that every Jew is more intelligent than every other human. I do not believe that. I do not think that way.

You still seem to be positing a bell curve with the Jewish peak to the right of the gentiles. It's the same thing.

 

[JohnEngelman]

The Nazis did not see Jews as INFERIOR, like white American racists see blacks. They saw them as SUPERIOR -- and dangerous -- very intelligent and capable, but evil by hereditary nature.

I have read Mein Kampf twice. That is what Hitler asserts. He does not convince me that Jews are evil. I have read that in Austria it is illegal to own a copy of Mein Kampf. I think that is silly.

 

[YDB95]

I do not believe that. I do not think that way.

Then you need to do a better job of making that clear.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Then you need to do a better job of making that clear.

When I discuss divverences between demographics I am careful to use the words "tend" and "average."

 

[Wilson23]

I have read Mein Kampf twice. That is what Hitler asserts. He does not convince me that Jews are evil. I have read that in Austria it is illegal to own a copy of Mein Kampf. I think that is silly.

Anyone can access it online, in many languages.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Anyone can access it online, in many languages.

I find Mein Kampf to be a safe book. no one who does not already hate Jews will hate them after reading Mein Kampf.

Hitler had insight into propaganda, but he erred in asserting that propaganda can change opinions. Political messages are only effective when they reinforce opinions that already exist.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Um,…

“The Peoples Conference for Palestine”, 2025:

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The conference featured sessions that included calls for direct action against Israel and discussions on strategies to "isolate Israel." Some speakers openly praised violent tactics and expressed support for groups like Hamas, which has raised concerns among various communities, particularly Jewish organizations.

The event highlighted a growing trend of extremism within certain pro-Palestinian movements, reflecting a shift in rhetoric and tactics since the October 7, 2023, attacks by Hamas.



A rally / protest???



Side note:

In light of that conference and the disgusting statements by some of the invited speakers, is it impossible to imagine that there IS a domestic network of support for Hamas in America??? In New York???



We. Told. Them. So.

I'm not going to accept an AI synthesis of a conference.

The Peoples Conference for Palestine was a little-noticed meeting held in Detroit last autumn.

The primary focus was combatting the rise of extremist Islamophobic bigotry in the United States. A great many speakers spoke negatively about the newly redefined definition of "antisemitism", which Zionists claim that anything critical of the genocidal Israeli government is ipso facto "antisemitism".

The single instance of "support" for Hamas that I could find was some random university professor opining that the movement should not let Israel dictate the narrative, that if Israel claimed that the PFLP was aligned with the same goals of Hamas and/or Jihad Watch, the response should not be to criticize those in agreement with your goals but to remained focus on the underlying Israeli depravity.

The only writeups I could find on this conference, other than press releases of the organization itself, came from an astroturf Pro-Israel-no-matter-what organization with the ironic name of "Honestreporting.com" and a lengthy hit piece from the MDL (Mamdani Defamation League) ....which used to be known as the "ADL" (Anti-defamation leageue) until Zohran Mamdani was elected Mayor.

The MDL, newly refocused on hatred for Zohran Mamdani, delivered a scathing masterclass in Pro-Israeli propaganda. ONE person appeared to have mentioned Hamas by name but you'd never know that from the MDL's overheated wretched rhetorical excess. They found a way to invoke Hamas no less than a dozen times ("So and so from XYZ news spoke, XYZ has been linked to Hama MANY times yadda yadda yadda".

Blood libel, plain and simple.

I can't confirm or deny that Hamas enjoys any sort of popular acclaim in New York City (or anywhere else in America)....but neither can you. All I'm saying if there IS direct support for Hamas, the timing was exceedingly suspect that these "supporters" chose to make their presence known when Mayor Mamdani visited a Temple last week.

I'm still of the opinion that genocidal Israel will do whatever it takes to sabotage any success of Mayor Mamdani, and especially those that might present him in an otherwise favorable light to Jewish voters.

 

[YDB95]

I find Mein Kampf to be a safe book. no one who does not already hate Jews will hate them after reading Mein Kampf.

Just because it didn't change your mind doesn't mean it wouldn't change anyone's. Especially since - and there is no diplomatic way to put this - your way of looking at groups you don't belong to is quite frankly extremely weird. Most people are not going to approach the matter the way you do.

Hitler had insight into propaganda, but he erred in asserting that propaganda can change opinions.

It is true that he stirred up resentment against a group most of his target audience already found it easy to hate, but that doesn't mean he didn't change anyone's opinion. It just meant he had a critical mass of resentment to build upon.

Political messages are only effective when they reinforce opinions that already exist.

I think it'd be fair to say they're only effective when they build upon existing resentments, but that's not quite the same thing. Consider all the outrage about transwomen in sports, and how its adherents claim to be concerned about women's rights to compete and win: just about everyone who subscribes to that claim used to have no respect whatsoever for women's sports until it became a cause-celebre among haters.