Obama's Accomplishments in 2014

[Kitty]

Your data looks correct, and higher rate is what I should have said. I was imprecise with my language because frankly I didn't care. The fact still lines up.

He's 100% right about all that, the question in some of these cases is what values are the right ones? I often listen to my parents talk about some of their aunts and uncles and even just look back. It's not that I'm saying abandon your family or don't marry women. But I think a world where women get pregnant because they wanted to not because of a mistake and men and women marry for love not because you accidentally had a kid and decided to take care of her cannot be bad for society. It's hard to know what he's talking about on moderation or deferred gratification without more context but in large part those were always things forced upon (the poor and middle class) by reality. The fact that can work from home, read every book that I can make time for because they are cheap and I can carry hundreds in my nook and I can send my my email and shit isn't a bad thing.

I definitely wasn't attacking you; I just hate when people say that blacks get it more. Actually they do get it more, just...less of them get it. Tricky. Either way, many of all groups get it, sadly, because of lack of values...and virtues. Unless of course, raped in the first degree, which is rare compared to... that teenage chick who just couldn't say no, or...having too many drinks and being taken advantage of while unaware of surroundings. It's hard to say, certainly conservative to say, but certainly not untrue...that people in those predicaments lack proper values. I pointed out to my professor, who concurred with me, that white women instead resort to adoption more so than abortions, it seems, and that black women resort to abortion. That is a myth considering the figures I put up.

However, abortion, adoption...both happen because of the same reasons. Now does it make it a lesser of the two evils to adopt, even though white women supposedly do that more, instead?

Now is time for me to look at his economic policies. This should be fun.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I definitely wasn't attacking you; I just hate when people say that blacks get it more. Actually they do get it more, just...less of them get it. Tricky. Either way, many of all groups get it, sadly, because of lack of values...and virtues. Unless of course, raped in the first degree, which is rare compared to... that teenage chick who just couldn't say no, or...having too many drinks and being taken advantage of while unaware of surroundings. It's hard to say, certainly conservative to say, but certainly not untrue...that people in those predicaments lack proper values. I pointed out to my professor, who concurred with me, that white women instead resort to adoption more so than abortions, it seems, and that black women resort to abortion. That is a myth considering the figures I put up.

However, abortion, adoption...both happen because of the same reasons. Now does it make it a lesser of the two evils to adopt, even though white women supposedly do that more, instead?

Now is time for me to look at his economic policies. This should be fun.

I didn't take it as an attack. I don't think it's really a lack of values there, healthy adult humans have sex and sometimes various forms of birth control don't work. Honestly if Republicans really cared they'd push harder for low cost and free birth control in the first goddamn place.

I don't think either is evil. I'm firmly in the camp that the vast majority of abortions happen to something that you cannot call a person and if people honestly thought it was a person criminal investigations would follow miscarriages. Did you drink? Did you work out excessively in high impact ways? Were you getting high?

We don't do that not only because we know it would be excessively cruel but mainly because we don't think of them as people. By comparison we do think of babies as people. Oops I left my baby in the car, in the bathtub, at home while I went out and partied, I got high and dropped it down a flight of steps are not excuses we would buy. Why would I was pregnant but kept going to boxing class, drinking and smoking be any different if we think of it as a person?

 

[Kitty]

I didn't take it as an attack. I don't think it's really a lack of values there, healthy adult humans have sex and sometimes various forms of birth control don't work. Honestly if Republicans really cared they'd push harder for low cost and free birth control in the first goddamn place.

I don't think either is evil. I'm firmly in the camp that the vast majority of abortions happen to something that you cannot call a person and if people honestly thought it was a person criminal investigations would follow miscarriages. Did you drink? Did you work out excessively in high impact ways? Were you getting high?

We don't do that not only because we know it would be excessively cruel but mainly because we don't think of them as people. By comparison we do think of babies as people. Oops I left my baby in the car, in the bathtub, at home while I went out and partied, I got high and dropped it down a flight of steps are not excuses we would buy. Why would I was pregnant but kept going to boxing class, drinking and smoking be any different if we think of it as a person?

Well Catholics wouldn't go for the free birth control. That looks like handing out condoms to high school students, which can be seen as not, "here. You're safe now. Fuck away. Don't say we didn't warn ya." But more so, "We know you're having sex, even if you aren't. So here. We care (not really but the city makes us)." And parents of course disagree with that. I remember I came home at 14 with a goody bag of lube, dental dam and loads of rubbers. That is horrible, reverse psychology. I wasn't doing anything. But because I am Native American in a black and Hispanic area, somebody saw some stat that says we're sluts and getting abortions like no one's business, now we're subliminally being told to have sex. Ugh. So of course free birth control would set off this default button of cavalierly engaging in sex. Why? Eh, free birth control, of course. Charging for birth control is a way of making you "pay" for your sins. (scary word, I know...sins.)

Well what about, I got high and fell down the steps, while pregnant and lost it? Or I got high, don't recall getting fucked, got knocked up, and don't want it, not even to give away. I just want it gone, now! Or, I got high and knocked up, I'll keep the baby (for some reason) but give it away. Eh?

I don't know. I could never abort. It's a cop out. So is adoption, no? Just less murderous, still callous, though? Giving away a baby, it's sad. It's hard. But...while you have a living, probably healthy baby, you kept it. However, the reasons you're giving it away are the same reasons someone who aborted wants to abort. And that doesn't make you very different, despite giving birth to it. It's just about values, Sean. In the end, be mindful of yourself and the person you're with, preferably married. Yes, married, because I doubt adoption/abortion happens anywhere as frequently within marriage, as it does an unmarried woman.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Well Catholics wouldn't go for the free birth control. That looks like handing out condoms to high school students, which can be seen as not, "here. You're safe now. Fuck away. Don't say we didn't warn ya." But more so, "We know you're having sex, even if you aren't. So here. We care (not really but the city makes us)." And parents of course disagree with that. I remember I came home at 14 with a goody bag of lube, dental dam and loads of rubbers. That is horrible, reverse psychology. I wasn't doing anything. But because I am Native American in a black and Hispanic area, somebody saw some stat that says we're sluts and getting abortions like no one's business, now we're subliminally being told to have sex. Ugh. So of course free birth control would set off this default button of cavalierly engaging in sex. Why? Eh, free birth control, of course. Charging for birth control is a way of making you "pay" for your sins. (scary word, I know...sins.)

Well what about, I got high and fell down the steps, while pregnant and lost it? Or I got high, don't recall getting fucked, got knocked up, and don't want it, not even to give away. I just want it gone, now! Or, I got high and knocked up, I'll keep the baby (for some reason) but give it away. Eh?

I don't know. I could never abort. It's a cop out. So is adoption, no? Just less murderous, still callous, though? Giving away a baby, it's sad. It's hard. But...while you have a living, probably healthy baby, you kept it. However, the reasons you're giving it away are the same reasons someone who aborted wants to abort. And that doesn't make you very different, despite giving birth to it. It's just about values, Sean. In the end, be mindful of yourself and the person you're with, preferably married. Yes, married, because I doubt adoption/abortion happens anywhere as frequently within marriage, as it does an unmarried woman.

I think for starters fuck the parents. You live in a society you don't get a goddamn choice in this because your actions effect the rest of us. We have to get over the idea that religious freedom means freedom from your responsibility to the rest of the country. Just like it pisses me off anytime that I hear about some kid dying because "god will save them" or not getting vaccinated (though a lot of that isn't religious its about thinking it causes autism. Fuck em.

I'm not going to argue abortion vs adoption other than to say I think the reason a lot of women don't give babies away for adoption as often is similar to the abortion and miscarriage issue. When it's just a thing growing inside you it's easy to emotionally distance yourself from the situation. When you're holding a living breathing baby all those hormones that make us irrational kick in with a vengeance.

 

[KingOrfeo]

What is corporatism?

Well, not "rule by business corporations," that would be corporatocracy. "Corporatism" means something different.

What do they call the active cooperation of government and corporations in the imposition of governance?

They call it "government." What you are describing is normal in any country that has business corporations.

 

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[KingOrfeo]

What you're describing is your fear of the truth.

And the truth is?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Oh look vettey must have crawled back in his coward bunker again....typical for a fascist bitch and lover of the federal supremacy clause.

Guess the HARD questions were just too much for vettey....

Hard questions like why should an American pay 2.7x as much for the EXACT SAME HC that people with a single payer/UHC system get? He supports it, hell he said it was the best HC system on the planet....

Can't say why though...."BUTT SHOWSHALISM!!! IT'S EVIL BECAUSE VETTEY NO LIKEY!!" is about as close as we got before he came unglued and started with the ascription and childish behavior.

HEY VETTEMAN, how come you only like the will of the people when it suits you? But champion federal supremacy when it doesn't? I thought you were a conservative!!

 

[KingOrfeo]

Do you realize how hopelessly full of shit you are?

vette, you just don't seem to understand that any candidate acceptable to the hard-right base would be unacceptable to the majority of Americans. You do not seem to understand how small is that base, or how little appeal its views have to the majority. You forget that "Real Americans" are not the only Americans who can vote.

 

[Kitty]

vette, you just don't seem to understand that any candidate acceptable to the hard-right base would be unacceptable to the majority of Americans. You do not seem to understand how small is that base, or how little appeal its views have to the majority. You forget that "Real Americans" are not the only Americans who can vote.

Give an example of "hard right." Besides vetteman. Regan perhaps? But everyone loooved him.

 

[BotanyBoy]

vette, you just don't seem to understand that any candidate acceptable to the hard-right base would be unacceptable to the majority of Americans. You do not seem to understand how small is that base, or how little appeal its views have to the majority. You forget that "Real Americans" are not the only Americans who can vote.

But BUTT!! Vetteman views = american views!!!

I mean even his beloved "Limited gubbmint" and states rights? Doesn't give 1 flying fuck about them if it's not convenient for him...he's all about the federal supremacy clause.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Give an example of "hard right." Besides vetteman. Regan perhaps? But everyone loooved him.

Reagan supported unions, public education, and socialized HC.

Vetteman would freak fucking shit if a republican were as much of a marxist communist as Reagan was.

He did single handedly make the US no.1 prison nation of all fucking time...so vettey still loves him.

 

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[KingOrfeo]

Give an example of "hard right." Besides vetteman. Regan perhaps? But everyone loooved him.

No, not Reagan, he would be read out of today's GOP as too liberal. I mean the likes of Cruz, Gohmert -- the ones to the right even of Boehner and McConnell.

 

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[BotanyBoy]

That's a canard liberals like to spout in order to marginalize conservatives. The last election demonstrated that Americans prefer candidates on the right instead of the left.

And you call the majority of them RINO's on a regular basis......

So cut the bullshit you brittle old cowardly piece of shit.....

 

[KingOrfeo]

That's a canard liberals like to spout in order to marginalize conservatives. The last election demonstrated that Americans prefer candidates on the right instead of the left.

You're moving the goalposts. Outside of solid-red states, the results were mostly victories by Pubs you would reject as RINOs; it's no proof of strength in your hard-right wing.

 

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[KingOrfeo]

You're full of shit.

Cruz and Gohmert are not the right of Boehner and McConnell?

 

[BotanyBoy]

You're full of shit.

Must support unions, public education and socialized HC then LMFAO!!!!

Or does making the US no 1 prison nation make up for ti all?? I figured you a totally fascist shit bird.....

 

[Kitty]

Here spend sometime with Rocco, and leave the big people alone:

http://www.youjizz.com/videos/selen-puledra-vintage-fuck-16671381.html

Shut the fuck up, I wasn't talking to you, now go finish watching your movie.

No, not Reagan, he would be read out of today's GOP as too liberal. I mean the likes of Cruz, Gohmert -- the ones to the right even of Boehner and McConnell.

Cruz isn't hard right. He's barking mad.

He did single handedly make the US no.1 prison nation of all fucking time...so vettey still loves him.

Yes. Reganonomics. Scary. "One of the most substantial changes that occurred during the Reagan presidency was the change of the tax code. The top marginal tax rate fell from 70% to 28%. The new tax rules were mainly shifting away the higher taxes on higher earners and on capital gains, and putting higher taxes onto the wage earner with increased payroll taxes." I've heard it was called the "tape worm" theory. Like, stabbing the patient in the stomach to get rid of the tape worm; pretending to help, but only hurting.

Also, his fake "war on drugs." Nancy helping "her man" with Just Say No. Yawn. When Bush Sr made that PSA about the nonexistent drug dealer across the street, fear and hate mongering, creating the crack-AIDS epidemic. His "legacy" is considered the hiked crime rates.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Shut the fuck up, I wasn't talking to you, now go finish watching your movie.



Cruz isn't hard right. He's barking mad.



Yes. Reganonomics. Scary. "One of the most substantial changes that occurred during the Reagan presidency was the change of the tax code. The top marginal tax rate fell from 70% to 28%. The new tax rules were mainly shifting away the higher taxes on higher earners and on capital gains, and putting higher taxes onto the wage earner with increased payroll taxes." I've heard it was called the "tape worm" theory. Like, stabbing the patient in the stomach to get rid of the tape worm; pretending to help, but only hurting.

Also, his fake "war on drugs." Nancy helping "her man" with Just Say No. Yawn. When Bush Sr made that PSA about the nonexistent drug dealer across the street, fear and hate mongering, creating the crack-AIDS epidemic. His "legacy" is considered the hiked crime rates.

Yep..and that's too left wing for vette. Either that or he totally denies Reagan did socialized HC, supported unions and public education. Too much socialism for vettey.

 

[Que]

Cruz and Gohmert are not the right of Boehner and McConnell?

Boehner and McConnell are to the left of the majority of Republicans. If conservatives do not gain control of the Republican party soon there will be a third party and the Republican party will die.

Cruz and Gohmert are in line with 60% of Republicans.

I understand that you would prefer that Republicans be "Democrat lite" and compliant to the wishes of the Democratic Party minority, but actual conservatives would prefer otherwise if that is OK with you.

 

[Kitty]

Boehner and McConnell are to the left of the majority of Republicans. If conservatives do not gain control of the Republican party soon there will be a third party and the Republican party will die.

Cruz and Gohmert are in line with 60% of Republicans.

I understand that you would prefer that Republicans be "Democrat lite" and compliant to the wishes of the Democratic Party minority, but actual conservatives would prefer otherwise if that is OK with you.

He said

Cruz is to the right of Boehner...

Meaning Boehner is to the left?

 

[KingOrfeo]

Boehner and McConnell are to the left of the majority of Republicans. If conservatives do not gain control of the Republican party soon there will be a third party and the Republican party will die.

Cruz and Gohmert are in line with 60% of Republicans.

I understand that you would prefer that Republicans be "Democrat lite" and compliant to the wishes of the Democratic Party minority, but actual conservatives would prefer otherwise if that is OK with you.

But "actual conservatives" are a minority of Americans. In the 2014 Pew Political Typology, the people you are thinking of are the "Steadfast Conservatives" -- who make up 12% of the population, 15% of registered voters, and are the oldest typology group -- meaning, you are in the last generation of your kind. There are not enough of you to form a viable third party.