Obama's Accomplishments in 2014

[Adre]

ALL presidents have better approval ratings than congress, dunce. Congress is a collection of people. NO ONE likes any of congress with the exception of the asshole congresspeople they sent there.

How about who is going to have a better year, congressperson X, or Obama....even that is a silly comparison, but better than the contest you are proposing. To answer your ridiculously inane question, if fucking BIDEN, (God forbid) succeeds Obama before ear end, even HE would have a better approval rating than congress. If Boehner (God REALLY forbid) were to succeed both of them by year end under a cloud of suspicion that he had something to do with their demise, HE would have a higher approval rating than congress by ears end.

Who will have a better year? The PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES with a bully pulpit at his disposal and 4 TRILLION dollars of patronage to dole out, or used car salesmen? Lawyers?

Ah, there's the condescending douchebag we know and love. Let me know when you're moving on to school us in annualized interest rates.

 

[Disgustipated]

That was then, this is now. That happened because 3 million conservatives stayed home as opposed to voting for a Rino.

So do you hope those 3 million vote for the mutt they trot out or not?

 

[Que]

Ah, there's the condescending douchebag we know and love. Let me know when you're moving on to school us in annualized interest rates.

Quit deflecting. I DEMAND you answer my question!!!

"Who will have a better year? The PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES with a bully pulpit at his disposal and 4 TRILLION dollars of patronage to dole out, or used car salesmen? Lawyers?

 

[Adre]

That was then, this is now. That happened because 3 million rather stupid conservatives stayed home as opposed to voting for a Rino.

Fixed.

 

[DiskoTroop]

So do you hope those 3 million vote for the mutt they trot out or not?

Are there any left that they haven't already thrown under the RINO bus for one reason or another?

 

[Sean]

Conservatism and fears of communism of the latter years of World War I and its immediate aftermath, were factors. Doctors, some of whom initially supported reform efforts, became the chief force opposing reform.

LOL. So those vultures making profits on the sick shouted "communism!" at the morons and scared them into believing that getting fucked up the arse was freedom.

 

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[Adre]

Let us know as well when you grow a pair and answer his questions.

No problem. The President had a very good 2014 and 2015 could be even more successful and productive. His approval rating will continue to be 3 times that of Congress. And if the economy continues to improve at this rate your party will not have a member living in the WH for quite some time.

 

[Disgustipated]

So the only polls that matter are the ones you post? Sure, the Pubs won the last election but that pesky black dude...

How is my freedom curtailed because I don't fear bankruptcy if I get sick?

So do you hope those 3 million vote for the mutt they trot out or not?

Let us know as well when you grow a pair and answer his questions.

Have you grown a pair yet to answer direct questions?

 

[Adre]

Have you grown a pair yet to answer direct questions?

He subscribes to the do as I say not as I do code of behavior.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Donuts. Donuts are popular.

Lets compare donuts to Presidents...

Lessee, W was glazed, JFK was a Berliner, Bill was definitely crème-filled . . .

 

[KingOrfeo]

That was then, this is now. That happened because 3 million conservatives stayed home as opposed to voting for a Rino.

You do realize that if they ever do turn out, whomever they vote for will lose?

 

[BotanyBoy]

I had to support them against the far worse Obama. I did not support their initial candidacy however. Just like I don't support Jeb's candidacy.

Yea...but in the end you're still going to vote for the establisment pub.

Per capita costs mean little when:

So back to the original question, why should an American pay 2.7x as much for the EXACT SAME HC that people with a single payer/UHC system get?

I agree it evolved into a costly boondoggle, but it only got that way when we decided to extend those benefits to none citizens by the millions, but that being said, it's nowhere near comparable to Obama care in costs, or scope.

Like in 1986?

And I'm not sure how much more ACA is going to cost than Reagan care did....but it can't be that much more considering Reagancare already had it in the fucking stratosphere.

Unless you can show how much more?? Got a hard dollar amount or percentage from someone other than a hysterical RW "news" source?

I do not support free health care to people here illegally, except for the direst of emergencies.

Sooooo you support Reagancare....exactly.

It's a matter of degree. When virtually ever aspect of your life is regulated, managed, controlled, or mandated, by the federal government...every aspect or action, of the market place, what would you call it, a free society?

So you admit it's a matter of opinion?

No I call it rule of law in a civilized society because it's not that fucking regulated, take the tin foil hat off. But if were I would call it sad b/c we would look like N.Korea or Iran.

Yes, you would, but I wouldn't.

Cut the childish shit talk ascription or this will devolve into us no longer having a discussion but me beating you back into your iggy bunker with quotes I run off and dig up Mr. Fuck the will of the people I love federal supremacy when it suits my partisan bullshit. Got it bitch??

Good....I prefer the civil discourse.

What is corporatism? What do they call the active cooperation of government and corporations in the imposition of governance? There are names for it.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/corporatism

Do share then...

A majority of Americans oppose it. A majority of Americans favor repealing it, not a single Republican voted for it, thus it was imposed on America against the will of the majority.

NOW, you support the will of the majority when it suits you...lmfao.

I'll leave that one on the floor, if you bring it up again I'm going to beat you right back into your iggy bunker with it. But you don't get to use that one, champion of the Federal Supremacy clause.

No, but it is like the public schools being exceedingly liberal, exceedingly female, exceedingly unionized, and imposing liberal values on American children against the will of their parents.

Hey man, you can always cough up 20k a year each to put your kid into a conservative indoctrination program of your choosing. Or elect more conservative school officials...they are out there, put them in charge bro.

And with UHC you can do the same...pay through the nose and get your ritzy high end shit.

There is no imposition that has to come with UHC, you just assume it will because FOX said so because communism evil, and spending on anything but defense/police state = communism. Right ? LOL

 

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[Sean Renaud]

Do you realize how hopelessly full of shit you are?

There's a reason your brand of conservative can't win a primary. It's because America has rejected your madness. It will never happen because it cannot happen. I hope Jeb doesn't win but mostly for the same reason I hope Clinton doesn't win. The idea that for nearly thirty years we have been ruled over by two families with an eight year gap. IF that's how it's going to be we might as well just get a co-presidency let the two families rule together and skip the bullshit voting.

 

[Que]

There's a reason your brand of conservative can't win a primary. It's because America has rejected your madness. It will never happen because it cannot happen. I hope Jeb doesn't win but mostly for the same reason I hope Clinton doesn't win. The idea that for nearly thirty years we have been ruled over by two families with an eight year gap. IF that's how it's going to be we might as well just get a co-presidency let the two families rule together and skip the bullshit voting.

Agreed.

Either that, or do away with term limits and make the presidency king for life.

 

[phrodeau]

Lessee, W was glazed, JFK was a Berliner, Bill was definitely crème-filled . . .

Nice.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Agreed.

Either that, or do away with term limits and make the presidency king for life.

I've always thought term limits were a stupid idea. It seems that in theory the issue people think of is that the longer they stick around the more power they would gather but as long as the laws weren't changed they wouldn't actually get any more power. They'd get better at wielding what they do have and personally I think that's a good thing.

Not that the Founding Fathers really ever seemed to want a country ruled by farmers (except in the way that nearly everybody farmed at the time) even if that was a plausible way to run a country once it's not today. Today I do want a goddamn professional politician. I want my laws written by lawyers, ones who ideally can work out as many of the flaws initially as possible. (Now no law survives contact with 300 million people and comes out intact for the same reason no battle ever goes exactly as planned. To many moving parts but that's no reason not to try.) I want people who have traveled the world and have some working knowledge of other countries. I don't need you to be an expert on every country no, but I don't want some guy who's never left Nebraska negotiating with Russia!

And while yes we can debate on how much our separation of powers was meant to slow things down, I disagree with that concept. I don't think they ever contemplated that everybody in the country or certainly in Congress wouldn't basically agree on what needs to get done but rather how to do it. That we would ultimately be working together towards a common goal of a better America. Even if they might have meant it in their hearts I think that the idea that there would be a time when an elected official would say publically that my goal is to make this man a one term president and not be run out of town is absurd. They probably would have made EOs officially and formally stated had they forseen that. And the fact that we have so many EO's used as laws is equally disturbing. In reality an EO should be the kind of thing that comes into play for things like 9/11 or the bail outs (which I know we disagree on. I think it was too little too late). When there isn't time for the old men to sit around and discuss things rationally. Something needs to be done, it needs to be done now and then Congress can fix it properly later. But you don't stand there watching a man bleed to death while we debate what to use for bandages.

But yes, I do want a president who's been part of the system for a while. I personally don't think governors should be presidents isntead of Senators. I want a guy who can call up the Speaker, ask how Spuffy the dog is doing, ask if you want to meet at that one Steak place we took the kids after graduation and grab a goddamn beer. I'm not saying every Senator should be besties but dear god Obama has an easier time getting concessions out of goddamn Al Qeada and the Republicans had no just shy of stating they wished Obama acted more like Putin because that's how men get shit done. And I don't think an outsider who's only gonna be around eight years can form those kinds of bonds.

 

[Kitty]

There's a reason your brand of conservative can't win a primary. It's because America has rejected your madness. It will never happen because it cannot happen. I hope Jeb doesn't win but mostly for the same reason I hope Clinton doesn't win. The idea that for nearly thirty years we have been ruled over by two families with an eight year gap. IF that's how it's going to be we might as well just get a co-presidency let the two families rule together and skip the bullshit voting.

Perhaps more than two...

Clinton, Kennedies, Bush...?

And they get mad at Castro.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Perhaps more than two...

Clinton, Kennedies, Bush...?

And they get mad at Castro.

Well I meant right now. From 88-2008 it was Bush 4, Clinton 8, Bush 8. We got a break with Obama but it's starting to look possible that Bush vs Clinton may be a thing. The Dems don't really seem to have any other stars and it's looking like Jeb may go. Now from everything I've read or heard about Jeb he's sane and would make a good president. My argument is entirely based on I don't want grand kids memorizing presidents like kings. Bush 1, Bush 2, Clinton 1, Clinton 3.

 

[Kitty]

Well I meant right now. From 88-2008 it was Bush 4, Clinton 8, Bush 8. We got a break with Obama but it's starting to look possible that Bush vs Clinton may be a thing. The Dems don't really seem to have any other stars and it's looking like Jeb may go. Now from everything I've read or heard about Jeb he's sane and would make a good president. My argument is entirely based on I don't want grand kids memorizing presidents like kings. Bush 1, Bush 2, Clinton 1, Clinton 3.

With J Bush's Latina wife, he'd definitely get every Hispanic vote.

I like this so far:

Restrict abortions to incest, rape, & health

Supports the following principles concerning abortion:
Abortions should be legal only when pregnancy resulted from incest, rape, or when the life of the woman is endangered.
Abortions should be limited by waiting periods and parental notification requirements.
Prohibit the late-term abortion procedure known as “partial-birth” abortion.
Should Florida government funding be provided to clinics and medical facilities that provide abortion services? Answer: “No.”

And

"I'm concerned about it over the long haul for sure. Our demographics are changing and we have to change not necessarily our core beliefs, but the tone of our message and the intensity of it, for sure," Bush said.

Still learning about him though.

 

[Sean Renaud]

With J Bush's Latina wife, he'd definitely get every Hispanic vote.

I like this so far:

Restrict abortions to incest, rape, & health

Supports the following principles concerning abortion:
Abortions should be legal only when pregnancy resulted from incest, rape, or when the life of the woman is endangered.
Abortions should be limited by waiting periods and parental notification requirements.
Prohibit the late-term abortion procedure known as “partial-birth” abortion.
Should Florida government funding be provided to clinics and medical facilities that provide abortion services? Answer: “No.”

And

"I'm concerned about it over the long haul for sure. Our demographics are changing and we have to change not necessarily our core beliefs, but the tone of our message and the intensity of it, for sure," Bush said.

Still learning about him though.

The only reason I care about any of those restrictions is because of the tone they set. In reality mental health is health. I'm quite certain that if a woman wanted an abortion and it needed to be for 'health' reasons legally that the clinics would almost immediately find some health issue that virtually every woman has and chalk it up. "Congratulatiosn, you have HPV which could cause cancer. Life threatened!"

Late term abortions happen so rarely that they shouldn't even be part of the conversation, nor should rape. Both of them are only part of the conversation because they cause people to react emotionally. The question on abortion should really boil down to just a few things.

1. Is it murder. The science says no, religion says yes.
1 a) Do you have the right to force your religious beliefs on another person.
2. Does a woman have the right to control not only her own body but her own fate?

When we look at the stats of who gets abortions and then read the interviews to find out why they got abortions it nearly always comes down money. I can't afford it, I want to go to school first (so I can make more money), I want to have a career (so I can make money). Yeah blacks get more abortions, they're also poor.

 

[Kitty]

The only reason I care about any of those restrictions is because of the tone they set. In reality mental health is health. I'm quite certain that if a woman wanted an abortion and it needed to be for 'health' reasons legally that the clinics would almost immediately find some health issue that virtually every woman has and chalk it up. "Congratulatiosn, you have HPV which could cause cancer. Life threatened!"

Late term abortions happen so rarely that they shouldn't even be part of the conversation, nor should rape. Both of them are only part of the conversation because they cause people to react emotionally. The question on abortion should really boil down to just a few things.

1. Is it murder. The science says no, religion says yes.
1 a) Do you have the right to force your religious beliefs on another person.
2. Does a woman have the right to control not only her own body but her own fate?

When we look at the stats of who gets abortions and then read the interviews to find out why they got abortions it nearly always comes down money. I can't afford it, I want to go to school first (so I can make more money), I want to have a career (so I can make money). Yeah blacks get more abortions, they're also poor.

Jeb also stated, though I omitted but didn't want to overwhelm with quotes, that: condoning abortion negates practice of values. So if we allow women to abort, without conditions and limitations and regulations, then we are ignoring the practice and implementation of values in society. So I like the narrowing it down to pro-life and for serious, dire reasons to abort them. If in precognition are deemed to be unhealthy, if it came through rape, etc.

Also, I doubt blacks get it more. 37% of blacks get it. 34% of whites get it. But 34% of all the white people in the country? Compared to 37% of all the blacks? If we do the math, whites probably have aborted more, but blacks have a higher rate. That is all.

In 2013, 223,553,265 whites, including Hispanics who think they're white. Times 34%, that leaves slightly over 76 mil white abortions.

Now for blacks: 38,929,319 in 2013. Times 37%= slightly over 14 mil black abortions.

If anything I said there is off or inaccurate, please inform me.


And Jeb said this:
"Virtues are standards of behavior that are fixed & firm in any civilized society. Who would argue that fortitude, prudence, justice, temperance, discipline, work, responsibility, honesty, honor & compassion are not good things? Listen to William Bennett:

Forming good character in young people does not mean having to instruct them on thorny issues like abortion, creationism, homosexuality, or euthanasia, to name just a few. People of character can be conservative and good people can be liberal

Virtues are agreed-upon standards of right and wrong. Values, on the other hand, refer to a system of beliefs possessed by certain groups. Even Nazis and the worst street gangs have values. Since values focus on a position, they tend to accentuate our differences. Modern values often trump traditional values such as accountability, moderation, and deferred gratification. We have all seen the value of personal choice warring against the value of commitment to the family and children." He said this in 95. I don't really "do" Republican, but eh. He has a point here. Among other things.

 

[Sean Renaud]

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And Jeb said this:
"Virtues are standards of behavior that are fixed & firm in any civilized society. Who would argue that fortitude, prudence, justice, temperance, discipline, work, responsibility, honesty, honor & compassion are not good things? Listen to William Bennett:

Forming good character in young people does not mean having to instruct them on thorny issues like abortion, creationism, homosexuality, or euthanasia, to name just a few. People of character can be conservative and good people can be liberal

Virtues are agreed-upon standards of right and wrong. Values, on the other hand, refer to a system of beliefs possessed by certain groups. Even Nazis and the worst street gangs have values. Since values focus on a position, they tend to accentuate our differences. Modern values often trump traditional values such as accountability, moderation, and deferred gratification. We have all seen the value of personal choice warring against the value of commitment to the family and children." He said this in 95. I don't really "do" Republican, but eh. He has a point here. Among other things.

Your data looks correct, and higher rate is what I should have said. I was imprecise with my language because frankly I didn't care. The fact still lines up.

He's 100% right about all that, the question in some of these cases is what values are the right ones? I often listen to my parents talk about some of their aunts and uncles and even just look back. It's not that I'm saying abandon your family or don't marry women. But I think a world where women get pregnant because they wanted to not because of a mistake and men and women marry for love not because you accidentally had a kid and decided to take care of her cannot be bad for society. It's hard to know what he's talking about on moderation or deferred gratification without more context but in large part those were always things forced upon (the poor and middle class) by reality. The fact that can work from home, read every book that I can make time for because they are cheap and I can carry hundreds in my nook and I can send my my email and shit isn't a bad thing.