OMG, am I turning straight?!

[Etoile]

I just want to say this one more time...lighten up, everybody! Don't take this thread seriously. It was never meant to be serious. It had the potential for serious discussion, but it ended up being silly. Okay? Please? Have a laugh, relax, don't worry so much about this thread.

 

[snowy ciara]

Etoile rocks.

I still heart Never, even if she is going straight and still doesn't send me giant, uncircumsized cock pics. (old joke, don't get your bvd's in a wad, everyone)

and the little blue alien (xelebes) is so not a man-hating lesbian because he's a boy little blue alien.

I have Hershey's Hallowe'en minatures, who'd like a Ms. Goodbar?

 

[Auxar]

Huh. Well, wolfman referred to "hatred in humor" - but I think you're both reading too much into it. Seriously, even as a lesbian, I don't see anything in here that indicates hatred of men. Yes, the quotes listed are jokes, but they're more jokes about Never not being a lesbian anymore than they are jokes about how awful men are.

And to be perfectly honest, the phrase "manhating lesbian" is really derogatory for some of us. See, the words "dyke" and "queer" are being reclaimed, so some of us are not so bothered by those. But calling someone "manhating" is an external judgment of a woman's character, and it really puts the hatred in the wrong corner, if you know what I mean.

I wouldn't trade being a man for the world but it's not as easy as women think it is anymore. Maybe when women's lib started or right before men had it the best but times have changed.

I'm far from one to complain my gender has it so rough or that there's any reason I don't like being a man, I just don't want to be a woman because I like being a man better lol, but on to my point...

For one, sexual harassment. I don't think a woman could ever sexually harass me to the point that I'd ever report it. I consider myself a professional in the workplace when needed but I doubt I would ever feel the need to report a woman. On the flip side though... I don't like working with women if I can help it specifically because so many minor things end up fuel for sexual harassment lawsuits. Minor to me isn't making lewd comments right in front of a woman or smacking her ass. Minor to me would be more like a woman overhearing a private conversation between myself and someone else that she took offense to, which was not about her, when effort was made for her not to be able to hear.

The whole dating thing is infinitely more complicated now as well. In some ways it's good. Some women take on the role of the aggressor and I generally don't mind it. Other times I find that I like a girl but it's near impossible to figure out how strongly I should pursue her so usually I make the effort once and then let it go. If a woman is playing hard to get then she missed out because I don't take chances something might be misconstrued.

The whole role of a male has been redefined. Now we get all this metrosexual stuff and that's just never going to be me. I'm much closer to a man's man than some borderline homosexual despite the occasional urge to the contrary.

The hardest part for me though is what I can most accurately describe as the fight club syndrome. No matter what anyone says, violence is in a male's nature. All the ways men haze each other are like rites of passage that satiisfy our propensity for violence. Mothers of America continually tear away at all those outlets because their kid got picked on too hard or occasionally it goes too far. One thing I don't think women understand is that men need to vent their aggression or it just builds up. It may evolve out of us eventually but I think that will not be for many more millenia.

That being said: I also believe in the male/female union as necessary for us. I don't pretend to believe all men or all women should fit into this mold. I can only speak from my own feelings and what experience has taught me. Three years ago I started dating my last gf. Before that I was harsh and there was very little in life I cared about. I went through life more because I wasn't dead than I cared about actually living. My gf always harped on me to try and strengthen family ties, be sweeter and kinder, more loving, tender and more gentle at times. Very little of that set in until we had split up. After months of reflection a lot of what she said started to make sense. We never worked things out and I felt like I was regressing back to where I just did not care about much of anything just to avoid feeling empty and depressed about life in general. Before she and I got together I used to wonder what had happened to me. I felt like a major facet of my character or personality was just gone. I wondered what was missing. I realized that my gf had spent all that time bringing it out of me so I had a choice now.

I still don't particularly enjoy many of the things about life that I feel hopeless about (most of these hopeless thoughts stem from idealism that isn't ever going to be reality, things just won't ever be as they should because of human nature....). I've more or less decided I would rather just deal with the gloomy thoughts in my head at times rather than be an uncaring bastard. Now that took a woman to teach me that. In my eyes much of the thoughts and feelings I have are all tied to my male evolution and only the thoughts and feelings from a female's evolution will help me be a better person. I think we really are 2 halves of a whole person, because women certainly need us in a lot of ways.... as we need them in at least as many...

 

[Etoile]

That being said: I also believe in the male/female union as necessary for us. I don't pretend to believe all men or all women should fit into this mold. I can only speak from my own feelings and what experience has taught me.

I don't mean to ignore the rest of your post, but this part jumped out at me big-time. Do you believe the male/female union is necessary to the point where homosexuality is wrong? I realize you are not saying that gay people are bad, because you acknowledge that there are people who do not fit the male/female union mold. But it sounds to me like if the male/female union is necessary, then those who partner with their own gender are inevitably going to be lacking something. Do you think it is possible for two men (or two women) to complement each other fully, even though they may have similar gender characteristics?

 

[sweetjain]

It's weird how necessary people believe straight union to be but on the other hand, human beings are in such short supply on this planet. [Hey, how do you get italics around here? Imagine such italicized, please?]

Fantasies don't always translate well in the flesh. Could be a passing thing unless there's a particular person you're attracted to. Then you might be doomed.

 

[Etoile]

[Hey, how do you get italics around here? Imagine such italicized, please?]

We use standard UBB Code, you can learn about it here: http://www.cyber-kitchen.com/ubbs/ubbcode.html

 

[Wolfman1982]

Etoile: I thinked somebody fucked up seriously (not me only) but well we all know that a thread here is not closed, without a REAL serious bad thing happens in a thread. But since I have been sniffing a little at GB , then I must say this , since I have been thinking alot about this. And here goes, I think there is an unspoken rule , and that is you shall Never go "offtopic" in the GLBT area, and since when "we" don´t have an "off topic" area, actually we have, and that is the General area of the whole board. So here it goes: Never put GB "funnys" in the GLBT area, since it will make people more angry, than usual. And it is not in jest, what I am saying. If anyone wants to have fun, in a non GLBT way, then please go to the GB area, where there are LOTS of jolly pranksters, and frolicking people. Some racists, some strange angry humans, who think it´s funny to post almost anything from homophobia, to neo nazi inspired thoughts. Well so here you have it, if people wants to fuck up the GLBT area, then get all the people from GB area and let them start raving here , like a steamroom with loud techno, and exstacy popping people in it. Also I know there are people in the GB area, that are nice. But listen please the GLBT area doesn´t need a vibrant energy of nonsense. I am not saying the GLBT area is all serious and stuff. But I chose to be in the GLBT area, since I felt I fitted in. And I think if people choose to put too much GB bullshit (sorry for cursing more than usual) in the GLBT area, then I know more people who I respect, and admire will stay away from the GLBT area, because the GLBT area has been crowded of the wrong people from GB.

I don´t think I have to draw it more out on paper, than I have just did right now.

 

[Etoile]

I'm going to say this one more time, but this time I'm speaking as a moderator of GLBT Chatter, not as just another poster.

It is perfectly fine to post humorous threads here. It is preferable that they be related to GLBT issues in some way, but it is by no means required. The important part is that a poster should already be a participant in the GLBT Chatter community, and not come here just to troll.

Wolfman, let me tell you a story. The GLBT Chatter forum was created in 2003, when I sent Laurel a PM asking if we could have such a section. She said "sure, would you mind moderating it?" And that's how this forum began. In the beginning I tried to strictly moderate content - no fluff, no funny stuff, only serious on-topic discussion. That was NOT well-received. What the Literotica audience wanted was a "hands off" style of moderating. So that's what I gave them. After a while it was suggested that there be a male mod too, and Queersetti joined me.

You are right that GB people could overrun this section. But after more than three years, they haven't done so. We get the occasional troll, and Queersetti and I take care of that. We get spam once in a while, and we take care of that too. We try to guide and foster the community toward positive growth - not say what can or cannot be said here. In fact, that's one of the guiding principles of Literotica: this forum practices free speech more than almost any other forum out there.

I'm sorry if you feel this thread shouldn't be posted here. I hope that's not just because you misunderstood and took it more seriously than it was intended. But the fact is, this thread fits perfectly here. Never is a member of the GLBT Chatter community, and the thread is about GLBT issues. I cannot and will not say that this thread belonged in the GB, because that's not reality.

 

[kbate]

wolfman.

Nothing I posted yet in this thread was directed at or meant for you. Some of the people who have posted in this thread, have spent entire weeks (or longer) in chat with each other and our responses are meant for each other, and in some cases refer to those chats - thus the remark that you cannot possibly understand them.

The bit about "nonsense" refers to a chat conversation which ended up as a blog on another board -- nothing at all to do with you or this thread, but much to do with the OP and her mind.

The bit about man-hating - well, on the GB, everyone considers me a man-hater and I do not spend much time trying to change their opinion. My weakness is in enjoying the game a bit too much.

I rejoice when thread such as this comes down the pipe - so often do I open the Lbgt and see nothing but "How many cocks can you fit in your ass" and "I sucked my first..." threads. This is a welcome break from the monotony of the newfound gay, and a chance to say hello to friends who often are missing from the board.

 

[Wolfman1982]

I know, I adressed the whole comment to Etoile, but it was really a pointed finger to things, that could have been serious, but since it wasn´t the first place, and "we" didn´t know (ok "I" didn´t know by the way). That is why, I became so strange in my good old head. Perhaps, I should maybe change a little sentence from my last reply "there is almost an unspoken rule, most of the time and that is even it happens we go "off topic" in a "topic" , then we still try to be on topic most of the time, and Kbate , bite me... and I will smile with joy, and laugh (but don´t bite me hard)

But still I ment what I said about the GB area. the GB is the offtopic area here.

this thread here

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=396038

made me go up in a BIG flame of anger, since I didn´t know at the time the person was a VERY frequent GB person. And after I have snorted some GB threads, then I know it is very often some people are shouting profanities back and forth between eachother. And that is where I go into WTF mode, when I wasn´t even prepared to be bombarded with extremely foul words. Ok perhaps not so foul words, but they did make me angry more than anything at the time.

There are few times, when I use curses at people, be it in Danish, or English. Since I have found out, it is easier to point out an opinion without using curses. And the sad things, I only recently realised it is true, what a Danish saying says. That your language is your badge of nobility. And also the thread evolved(the one I have just posted), but that was way after. I became furious of anger.

 

[kbate]

You must understand that this is a message board on an erotic story/porn site - it is not 'kindness.net'. I do not habitually flame people - here, on the GB or in life - unless they first attack me. Not everyone holds the same standard of behaviour - and I would be disappointed if they did. Some are caustic,some humourous, some just dumb - All combine to make this what it is - a decent and fun place to talk.

If you let feeling overcome intellect, you will never find a home here. Most of us have no reason to care about your feelings - only you have that.

 

[Wolfman1982]

Kbate: I know you aren´t a manhater, or for that matter a maneater . And well I am not always softskinned. Since there are some rough skin on me. That makes it bearable at times, when the going gets tough.

 

[Etoile]

But still I ment what I said about the GB area. the GB is the offtopic area here.

Please read again my post just before this one.

 

[Never]

Wolfman is interesting...
On the first page, he hits on me.
On the second, he decided this thread is full of hatred.
On the third, he decided this thread was a 'mindfuck.'
And now, he's decided this is offtopic and should be on the GB.

I figure if I wait for a page, he'll ask that this thread be made into a sticky.

 

[FrenchMustard]

I wouldn't trade being a man for the world but it's not as easy as women think it is anymore. Maybe when women's lib started or right before men had it the best but times have changed.

I'm far from one to complain my gender has it so rough or that there's any reason I don't like being a man, I just don't want to be a woman because I like being a man better lol, but on to my point...

For one, sexual harassment. I don't think a woman could ever sexually harass me to the point that I'd ever report it. I consider myself a professional in the workplace when needed but I doubt I would ever feel the need to report a woman. On the flip side though... I don't like working with women if I can help it specifically because so many minor things end up fuel for sexual harassment lawsuits. Minor to me isn't making lewd comments right in front of a woman or smacking her ass. Minor to me would be more like a woman overhearing a private conversation between myself and someone else that she took offense to, which was not about her, when effort was made for her not to be able to hear.

The whole dating thing is infinitely more complicated now as well. In some ways it's good. Some women take on the role of the aggressor and I generally don't mind it. Other times I find that I like a girl but it's near impossible to figure out how strongly I should pursue her so usually I make the effort once and then let it go. If a woman is playing hard to get then she missed out because I don't take chances something might be misconstrued.

The whole role of a male has been redefined. Now we get all this metrosexual stuff and that's just never going to be me. I'm much closer to a man's man than some borderline homosexual despite the occasional urge to the contrary.

..

I don't know how to respond to this post. It simultaneously seems so heartfelt, but at the same time, so much fucking gibberish. It's time that queer men realized that our fates are tied to womens'. And if the so-called tragedy of being accused of sexual harrassment is all that an outwardly straight man has to fucking deal with in the otuside world, then he should thank his fucking stars for that motherfucking privelage.

Because my queer self had a lot worse shit to deal with, and I have a feeling that 90% of women had much, worse to deal with than I did. If this post was the beginning of a realization of something, Auxar, then I salute you. If not, then it is perhaps time that you really sat down and thought about gender issues in our little utopian society.

Apologies for my pissiness, everyone else.

 

[Wolfman1982]

Wolfman is interesting...
On the first page, he hits on me.
On the second, he decided this thread is full of hatred.
On the third, he decided this thread was a 'mindfuck.'
And now, he's decided this is offtopic and should be on the GB.

I figure if I wait for a page, he'll ask that this thread be made into a sticky.

Never: isn´t life wonderful ?

Please read again my post just before this one.

I did read it

 

[Queersetti]

I know, I adressed the whole comment to Etoile, but it was really a pointed finger to things, that could have been serious, but since it wasn´t the first place, and "we" didn´t know (ok "I" didn´t know by the way). That is why, I became so strange in my good old head. Perhaps, I should maybe change a little sentence from my last reply "there is almost an unspoken rule, most of the time and that is even it happens we go "off topic" in a "topic" , then we still try to be on topic most of the time, and Kbate , bite me... and I will smile with joy, and laugh (but don´t bite me hard)

But still I ment what I said about the GB area. the GB is the offtopic area here.

this thread here

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=396038

made me go up in a BIG flame of anger, since I didn´t know at the time the person was a VERY frequent GB person. And after I have snorted some GB threads, then I know it is very often some people are shouting profanities back and forth between eachother. And that is where I go into WTF mode, when I wasn´t even prepared to be bombarded with extremely foul words. Ok perhaps not so foul words, but they did make me angry more than anything at the time.

There are few times, when I use curses at people, be it in Danish, or English. Since I have found out, it is easier to point out an opinion without using curses. And the sad things, I only recently realised it is true, what a Danish saying says. That your language is your badge of nobility. And also the thread evolved(the one I have just posted), but that was way after. I became furious of anger.

You should know that Stup has been contributing to this board since it's inception. He is hardly an outsider.

Etoile is right, there is plenty of room for humor here, and a certain degree of off topic discussion. I have never closed or moved a well meaning thread because it wasn't "queer enough".

What sometimes gets lost is that this is not designated as a message board for GLBT people. It is a board for discussion of GLBT topics. For the most part, everyone respects that.

And I wouldn't worry too much about a GB invasion. Too many GBers are afraid that if they come in here they might catch The Gay.

 

[Never]

Queersetti:
"Too many GBers are afraid that if they come in here they might catch The Gay."

I think you mean teh ghey.

 

[Wolfman1982]

Queersetti and Etoile, yes I know you don´t lock threads. And even though Stup has been here ever since the start. Then it doesn´t justify a person calling another person something extreme. And well I am over it.

Never: just experience me, not try to explain me, I am like the joker in a deck of cards. You will never know where you have me, but I am not backstabbing friends. Or for that matter enemies, but I will do my best to point out, even without curses that some things are at times extremely rotten, or wrong. But I am always honest. Since to me the best defence, is my honesty. Here is another saying: "The more open you are, the more closed you are. The more closed you are, the more open you are".

 

[Etoile]

I leave for Bermuda in seven hours from now. I will be gone for a week. You kids behave yourselves, you hear me?

 

[snowy ciara]

I leave for Bermuda in seven hours from now. I will be gone for a week. You kids behave yourselves, you hear me?

Aaawwwww! Do we gotta? You want one of us to come feed your kitties for you? Water your plants? Try on your clothes and filch your undies?

 

[lucky-E-leven]

I'd rather see you turning Japanese, but turning straight wouldn't be nearly as bad as turning stupid.

 

[neonflux]

Two quotes and two responses...

Please don't laugh. I'm very confused right now.

All my life, I've loved women. I love pussy and I love staring at women and their gorgeous bodies.

Lately, I've been having feelings though. I notice the men at my workplace and sometimes fantasize about sucking cock. I've been watching a lot of straight porn and it's getting me off in major way.

Does this mean I've turned straight?!!!!?!

As a bi-queer femme grrl whose current play partner is a bi man and who carries within her a dandiesh Queer Boi Persona (with a very nicely sized and shaped cock, thank you, LOL), I would suggest that expanding definitions are in order here! Queer is as queer thinks and I suspect from reading your other posts that you could never be straight

~Neon

I have a secret to confess.
I would have Ian McKellen's babies.
Am I bisexual?

Me too! And I think that just makes both of us queerer than a 3-dollar bill

P.S., Yours and Sir Ian's babies? They'd not only be smart, but beautiful

 

[privyjo]

sooooooooo...............Never, I really have to ask......are you still watching straight porn? Look at all the loops and hoops your thread has gone through....

 

[Never]

I'm watching gay male porn. Straight porn is some of the most unsexy stuff I've ever seen.