OOC: X-Men

[Shaq]

That's not very sporting, Shaq. I had a plan and everything. Good thing you aren't omnipotent or anything that would take away some of the fun.

*bitter, bitter, bitter*

I'm going to have to ask if you were planning all along to grab Psylocke like that or just decided to after I was setting up a plan.

Psylocke wasn't the only one on the ground. Vix made it clear that Rogue was flying solo, Gambit and Storm are still on the ground and Rogue is up a tree.

Now that is NOT fair.

Anyone, whose read of Fantomex in the comics can attest that his powers are vastly undefined and I purposely put certain limits to his powers which is why (as rogue correctly guessed) I kept trying to lure you all on to Eva because I was trying to establish his illusion powers were only really potent when they were together.

I could have added

-Mutant Killing bullets
-Teleportation
-Immortality
-Omega level telepathic projection
-T-1000 like healing ability (dude concentrated and popped bullets out of his body)

and had justification from the comics but I purposely didn't do so.

Keep this in mind.

Wolverine is Weapon 10. If teamed with Fatale and company against you how would he fair?

Speculation is Cassandra Nova, who basically beat Prof X, Jean, White Queen, Wolverine, Beast, the whole island of Genosha and the whole fucking shiar empire is thought by some to be Weapon 11.

Weapon 12, killed Darkstar, and beat a team consisting of Siryn, M, Cannonball, and others easily.


Fantomex is Weapon 13 and killed the same weapon 12 that a group of X-Force and Gen X alum got thrashed by and Jean and Xavier couldn't beat.

So he's not exactly "Bush League" in terms of disaster potential.


(I'm not mad by the way, just talkative so I will probably respond to all the OOC stuff, no post count buffing intended)

 

[Ithica]

That makes more sense. Thanks for clearing that up.

edit:
This comment was on your first post.

 

[Ithica]

I won't assume you are mad if you don't do the same to me.

I'm just disappointed. I thought it was good pulling up stuff from the start of the sl and figured everyone would be on board. But the plan was flawed. Would Rogue be able to drain enough of Eva's power to hurt Fantomex but not kill off Rogue?

And point taken about the omnipotent comment, obviously it could be worse. But you left out Anti-mutant goo .

 

[Shaq]

As far, Psylocke not being the only one on the ground, I only wanted her to be isolated. Even if Storm is on the ground, she's already infected. Even if you beat Fantomex to a bloody pulp he's done 1/4 of his master plan. Vix said

Over my communicator I said, "I think Cable slid them out of the plane in time, Stormy. How are you holding up?"

I took that to mean, on the ground or not she's still far away and couldn't fly in to save Betsy.

You're right, I did misread Rogue flying her and Gambit up and she flew by herself.

But I'm find with that post, if that just means Gambit is near by, a flyer easily could just grab betsy without concern to not having a lot ground as leverage he would still need ground and may or may not have it.

As far as coming up with her as a target on the fly, she was an amendment, yes, but still part of Fantomex's general plane which has been going back since chronicle said "Should I play deadpool or Juggy?" and I told him play both.

I took a shot at her on the plane and missed. Her telepathic powers are more of a threat than Cable's as Dragon depicted him, so I wanted her and cable the moment Fantomex knew they were involved but she was priority.

Does anyone find it coincidental that Fantomex PURPOSELY sought you guys at the mansion, scouted you, and helped take out Jean and the Professor?

Remember Psylocke and Cable were two additions he hadn't planned for and both are telepaths. This is just a continuation of Fantomex's plan to take out obstacles to get to Rogue and Gambit.

A lot of Fantomex (and gambit for that matter) actions we let flow according to how others were playing but 35% me and chronicle mapped out and J.D and me took that mapped 70% of the rest out.

The moment Fantomex learned of their involvement Psylocke and Cable were threats and I was waiting for them to be isolated.

 

[Shaq]

I won't assume you are mad if you don't do the same to me.

I'm just disappointed. I thought it was good pulling up stuff from the start of the sl and figured everyone would be on board. But the plan was flawed. Would Rogue be able to drain enough of Eva's power to hurt Fantomex but not kill off Rogue?

And point taken about the omnipotent comment, obviously it could be worse. But you left out Anti-mutant goo .

OOC, I hope this doesn't affect how Vix plays Rogue but Rogue couldn't drain Eva cause she's a machine.

She could drain Fantomex, and I'll say, if I had a choice of how to end a climatic battle between the two groups, that would be my choice.

I'm mildly hurt by the accusation of a lack of planning Some stuff was opened ended but the seeds to go in different directions was at the very beginning when Fantomex spoke in the mansion.

3 things I foreshadowed at the beginning that are still present at the end.

J.D knows one is definetly coming and will be one of the consequences that carry over in the next sl(Hint: Fantomex had a camera crew in the beginning and they have returned for the end). Also Fantomex said EXACTLY how mutantkind's enemies would really get to the X-Men and he didn't say by infecting them with viruses. hehe

Another thing that still might happen is Fantomex's plan involves Rogue absorbing other people's powers. Why would fantomex want for Rogue to try to absorb his powers?

I will have to look back because I think I may have mentioned it in PM to J.D about Rogue being a religious like figure.


My rant will continue for 2 more posts, at least though

So get a cup of coffee. I have it copied from word and everything.

 

[Ithica]

I'm mildly hurt by the accusation of a lack of planning Some stuff was opened ended but the seeds to go in different directions was at the very beginning when Fantomex spoke in the mansion.

Aww, I have no idea how much work you put into this so kisses for Shaq .

Vix posted wrong about the communicator and it was a small thing so I ignored it, but in my post before I said that Storm changed her mind about electrocuting Fantomex and landed where she saw Rogue, Psylocke, and Gambit. So there was no need to use the communicator because Storm was standing beside her.

I'll take the unplanned telepathic characters being a threat so you have to take them out thing because it is cool.

That whole thing with Eva is weird. I thought that since she was part of Fantomex's nervous system and Xavier could sense her mind that she was more organic than machine.

 

[Vixandra]

I'm with Ithica on that one- I thought Eva was organic, since she's a creation of Fantomex's powers and grew as he did.

I understand he's uber powerful.

But it does kind of feel like we're being painted into a corner, which makes it really hard not to DM from the backseat so to speak.

Like having Fatale pop out and Rouge busting her nose, zapping her powers and throwing the unconcious portal jumper at Fantomex's feet with a "here's your jumper, might want to keep her on a tighter leash" kind of comment.

Wouldn't be fair, I know. But each plan I've seen ends up differently then the heads up I was given, which makes it hard to RP toward said goal.

 

[Shaq]

End of my spiel

Now as far as the move (teleporting under Betsy) I'll first say I hope we critique each other's moves more in the next thread.

I’m helping to create a story just like you so sometimes I may sacrifice established rules like power limits accidentally trying to make a better story. If I go overboard then I want you guys to check me and I‘ll do the same for you.

I’ll address why I feel the move is not overboard and is established in comic continuity then I’ll offer possible ways Masume or others could respond.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatale_(comics)- Most of Fatale’s powers and history

Fatale once teleported right behind Havok (I think X-Factor#112 but can’t find it) then whisked him away before he could do anything. In an online rp its not fair to post a move that doesn’t allow the person to respond which is why I didn’t autohit Masume and force my move on her. But I expressed Fatale’s quick hit powers in the form of a confrontation that she would have to come up with answer for.

X-Factor #125, Fatale showed the range of her abilities when she teleported an entire sentinel through one of her portals and before that as Mystique and Sabretooth were running from the basement to attack the sentinel she teleported them (without their permission) to the point where when they left her portal they were in free fall from running.

I did a move she did to Sabretooth and Mystique.

So you guys tell me, why did I choose for Fantomex to grab her and not Fatale?

And if Fatale does that sort of move what SHOULD Betsy's reponse be?

My own opinion, the chick is probably free falling. Masume may see it differently and she believes Betsy would get out of the way in time.

I see that Ithica and J.D have established she did get sucked through in their posts. I only let Masume know what I was trying to do, I wrote Part I of the story in a sense and it was up to someone else to finish the rest. She could have posted that she was able to dodge away in time, Ithica could have posted that she flew and saved her at the last minute or something. Or as you did, you could have posted that she got sucked through.

Tell me, if Magneto enters the thread is it a cheap move if he totally subdues Wolverine? No, its about matchups and in this instance the matchup did not favor psylocke.

I didn’t force Dragon to take 3 people away, thereby weakening your numbers and slightly evening things up for Fantomex’s group. I didn’t get vix to fly. Just consider, by me watching those elements, as an rper in battle, if either of you did not do those moves I wouldn't have attempted the teleport. If you were all still huddled together you could jump through the portal and overwhelm me. I watched your posts, saw an opening and took it. I didn’t auto hit, I calculated.

As for what’s stopping Fatale from just teleporting under everyone?

Psylocke (I’m assuming she’s not going to pull out a sword though she does have one sometimes) powers are mental inside Eva she can be manipulated and inflict limited physical damage if she goes nuts.

Gambit on the other hand can be manipulated but if he lets off a card it really will go off in Eva causing us damage. Ditto for Storm’s powers and a cable gun blast. Psylocke was chosen because her powers could be neutralized by Fantomex and Eva, she’s a telepath which could detect Fatale when invisible or shapeshifting.

And remember I’m the only villain left in the thread. And remember the old adage. A hero fiction is as good as its villains.

How will you guys be affected by trusting Fantomex, Juggernaut and Deadhand and being betrayed?

Did you guys do SOMETHING that made you deserve what happened?

I can tell you the original plan with Fantomex, Dark Beast, Fatale, Juggy and others was to force you guys to retreat. To put together a group of villains so powerful that the best choice was to get the fuck away. I thought that would be funny because the notion is Good Guys auto win no matter what so the best answer being a retreat would be a novelty


I don’t know, I’m just getting the impression that because you guys are rping the heroes that you think you are supposed to win. You guys have an advantage in numbers, raw power and telepathy so you should be making posts taking advantage of that. But when you forget your most powerful member (Storm), split half your team number and telepath strength (Dragon), and frankly underestimate who you’re going against (I’m a little disappointed you all aren’t enjoying the difficulty. Wouldn’t it be cool in the comics if the X-Men thought they were going up against dimestore villains and then suddenly they realized they were more powerful than they realized? The Iceman quote would be worth the price of the comic alone) is it really a surprised that you would feel the pressures of an attack?

Just think. Two of your own have betrayed you. You left the mansion which was your strong point and you walked right into a trap. One of your most powerful members loses his book. Cable kidnaps half your team and leaves. All of you forget your most powerful member and she's been infected.

All of the above=Fantomex gets his ass whupped by the X-Men and they go home happily ever after really doesn't add up.

 

[Shaq]

I'm with Ithica on that one- I thought Eva was organic, since she's a creation of Fantomex's powers and grew as he did.

I understand he's uber powerful.

But it does kind of feel like we're being painted into a corner, which makes it really hard not to DM from the backseat so to speak.

Like having Fatale pop out and Rouge busting her nose, zapping her powers and throwing the unconcious portal jumper at Fantomex's feet with a "here's your jumper, might want to keep her on a tighter leash" kind of comment.

Wouldn't be fair, I know. But each plan I've seen ends up differently then the heads up I was given, which makes it hard to RP toward said goal.

I would disagree. Rogue popping Fatale on the nose is likely. I dont' think the move I did on Psylocke would work on Rogue because she has strengths Pyslocke doesn't.

You guys are getting painted in a corner cause I'm trying to put you there.

Personally, I think rp battles are fun exercises in power matchups and creativity. And they can affect the story.

How will this affect the story?

Will you trust the Professor as much? Will you trust anyone as much? (Ithica, Dragon both got betrayed, Vi...hehe..)

One of the things me and J.D are almost sure to remind you guys in the next sl is you don't have to do anything.

I watched you guys let Magma come along though she just fought you, Deadhand though he betrayed you and you just followed Fantomex into nowhere.

All that stuff plus some of the other misteps=????

I'm not trying to be condescending just offering another way of looking at it.

First we should ask if the post is fair. Is it taking into account established continuity, including environment, power limits, space and time etc

Second, if the result is valid what would be the results?

A+B+C=???

If I were to use that I would say

A) Cable bodyslides Wizard and Deadhand away. Reduces overall strength and telepath

B) Vix takes off

C) Fantomex and Fatale isolate Betsy

All of those moves = What?

Remember, I didn't force any of the previous moves. Just played according.

As far as not going to plan, its an rp???

You can't predict what people will do and I wouldn't want to control it. Freerange is the perk of playing.

I thought Fantomex would have a slightly stronger force to set up a Gambit-Fantomex showdown.

Stuff happened so he's outnumbered.

*shrugs*

 

[Vixandra]

I do understand what you're saying.

Understand that a lot of combat, no matter what system, needs to be based off a balancer system of some sort.

And that having different people with vastly different schedules and posting schedules adds even more fun to the equasion.

In a way, its a compliment that people are debating things with you, are trying to see if they can guide a character a certain way.
Its a sign that we're interested, least I know I am. Wouldn't be here if I wasn't- I've left threads before because they became boring clusterfucks too large to mess with.

I admit- I missed the "hoped" part of the grabbing (which means I should do more then skim reading other's posts that aren't about my character I guess). It looked like Psylocke got grabbed and that was that, no saving throw, just *poof* gone.

 

[Shaq]

Psylocke wasn't officially gone until J.D said she was.

So far all that's been established is you guys can't see her.

She may have been sucked into the portal (likeliest explanation imo) or maxed out her tp powers to make you guys not see her.

I think by Fantomex hanging out with you guys so much it may seem like one of your own is powerful but its like J.D said villains have to be powerful to make a threat.

You guys weren't too far off key when you were just trying to get the hell out.

Apart from Cable, you just may not be equipped to deal with this problem. Who says there has to be a neat and everything goes back to normal ending?

As far as the combat, I think we just have to agree on certain things.

Deus ex machinas in combat have got to be destroyed in our next thread. They really make for no fun. As far as power levels, we really haven't had an issue. Most of the stuff can be found in a marvel handbook or on marveldirectory or marvel.com.

Some possible stuff that we may need to address is turns. Like how many moves per post can a person do and stuff like that?

My personal perspective is story type stuff. I like how (it was his idea by the way) J.D had the Fatale plane scene with Gambit charging a dart and Eva hits the jet sending it awry.

I know one of the ideas I thought about was if Gambit actually threw a dart behind Psylocke after she teleported. Since he wouldn't have had much time to charge it, it would not have been fatal but it definetly would have rocked my entire team including Eva in the ship and may have gotten you all a KO.

I'm ditching Fantomex after this sl particularly because his character is supposed to lie which complicates things for you all. Did you know that he really isn't even a true mutant? And Eva is techno organic. She's like the disease eating cable's arm only she's sentient. I could even tell you (Rogue would not know this for certainty) that Eva contrary to popular belief is autonomous. Fantomex can forcibily control her some but in an alternate future where Fantomex was being controlled and turned evil Eva broke away from him and was on her own (an X-Man ironically). So a lot of the stuff Fantomex has said IC is true but its how he said it.

I know for certain I told you guys how you would be attacked and its exactly how it played out. Misdirection really is fascinating.

Misdirection is also why Fatale hadn't done the invisibility, shapeshifting, or plasma blast prior to the latest assault. I thought the "WTF!? She's invisible?" moment for you guys would be an interesting challenge. It's like you all thought one thing about her and she was much different.


We do have to address the notion of winning and losing. I'm worried that you guys may not wonder IF you can beat Fantomex and what that means?

That's one of the reasons I like the move I did on Psylocke.

I've got 3 of the most powerful mutants in the world hiding in trees scared. And Gambit is being held up by his armpits while half the team is blissfully unaware.

The X-Men are in deep shit.

 

[Shaq]

Oh, another thing about combat, I actually think combat should be imbalanced.

I PMed J.D about that.

I think it isn't outside of the range of plausibility that all things considered in a fight

Fantomex could beat Professor X since Prof couldnt' get in his mind.
Storm could beat Fantomex since he lacks raw power and energy manipulation
Prof X could beat Storm with a thought.

So its totally imbalance in a way.

Storm wouldn't stand a chance against Prof X but he wouldn't stand a chance against Juggernaut.

Storm's energy manipulation powers are stronger than Gambit's (after sinister neutered him) etc.

The imbalance in my opinion is what's cool about X-Men. Everyone is not equal.

Ugly John definetly got the short end of the stick.

 

[Arc da Rat]

dropping from thread

(yeah, big surprise)

AB I'm sorry to see you go, but I understand why. You and Arc got behind in the posts and we did kinda bury you guys. Hopefully you can join up in the next SL because I find your character fascinating.

AB has already told me about his decision (after he made it) ... So I have to fold my cards and wait the next hand, I am dealt ...

JD ~
thanks for the kind words ... Hopefully AB had seen this before I did, if not I will personal tell him to check ... With both our (me & AB) schedules, time zones and family matters ... We are not the fastest of writers, so I understand why we got buried ...


Shaq ~
Playing a character, I would want the good guys to win ... But sometimes it don't happen that way ... (I have played Chutulu (sp?) so I know you can't win all the time) ... Speaking from Jubilee's point of view, I think she would like to beat the crap out of Emplate & free the people in the town ... She knows nothing about the dangerous trio w/ Emplate ... But once she finds about them, she may want to get her shots in and fight another day ...

Most likely Wriath would stop her ... LOL ... But that is my two coppers ... i am not agruing for or against anything just commenting my thoughts ...

 

[Ithica]

Shaq's right. Everytime we fight everyone seems to scatter.

 

[dragonrazor]

i just keep getting lost as to what to post

 

[Shaq]

Normally I would wait for Masume to post before progressing but since the others are treating her like she's aboard I'll just let her know what I will say to her when she gets aboard.

 

[Shaq]

i just keep getting lost as to what to post

Well we're wrapping up this sl so you and Deadhand could tell us how it plays out with Sabretooth.

 

[dragonrazor]

how's that for now?

 

[IDreamofBunnies]

I'm back from A-Kon.

 

[Arc da Rat]

Bunnies ~

How was it? ... Ya must show pix (if ya have any)

 

[IDreamofBunnies]

Sorry I didn't bring a camera, it was my first con and I didn't really know what to expect. My friends took pics of cosplayers and stuff, I'll see if they can email me any of them.

Anyways it was a lot of fun. Bought tons of stuff, joined the RPGA, watched anime, ate pocky, hung out with strange people, played a dozen different games, and shouted myself horse in the throat heckling during yaoi and hentai nights. I think I shall go in costume next year.

 

[Arc da Rat]

Cool Beans ...

Nice to see ya have some fun there ...

 

[Devilgrl]

Sorry I didn't bring a camera, it was my first con and I didn't really know what to expect. My friends took pics of cosplayers and stuff, I'll see if they can email me any of them.

Anyways it was a lot of fun. Bought tons of stuff, joined the RPGA, watched anime, ate pocky, hung out with strange people, played a dozen different games, and shouted myself horse in the throat heckling during yaoi and hentai nights. I think I shall go in costume next year.

lol I wish I was there....They have any yuri lol !!!! Henati is also really good what animes did you like the best

 

[Shaq]

Ithica, is Storm generating the electricity already?

If she is I may rp what happens after that and just do "Flashback" esque scenes chronicling what happened with Masume.

 

[Ithica]

Yes she is. As for the flashbacks, knock yourself out, honey.