Sanders job is done, he should quit the race

[JackLuis]

you happen to be wrong. Good day sir. Soon you'll be smarter.

I wouldn't bet the farm on that.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I hope I'm still around when people update all of these old phrases that don't really hold any relevance in the modern world. I mean I don't have a farm and if I did I might very well have acquired it so I could bet it. Kinda like hwn 15 year old me hunted down a rat so I could give a . . .

 

[ishtat]

First ain't happening....GOP is going to stamp it's feet and say no. It's ok though, Hillary will likely sign most EVERYTHING they put in front of her.

2nd...I bet they are looking at confirming what's his face the Obama pick right now.

I doubt they want to leave it to Trump/Clinton.

But maybe.

So you're right it's all about SCOTUS appointments.

My take on it is this:-

1 The statements the GOP has already made about Garland have already damaged them politically. If they continue that position they will be considered obstructionist (yet again)

2 If they concede, and grant Garland a hearing, they will look weak and stupid. But it would be off the electoral debate.

3 If the impasse continues beyond the next election the smart President will nominate Garland again + a liberal justice (for Ginsberg).

4 If the GOP accepts only one or refuses both, they will be political toast. The SC. can function just as well with 7 justices as 9, so in my view a D. President with political smarts could keep this going until the next mid-terms. Then it would really damage the GOP.

This issue is a win win for Clinton if she gets the top job. Best result the GOP can hope for, is option 2 (on which we agree), to accept Garland now and kill it as an election issue.

 

[ishtat]

Just remember, If you want a new deal, break out a fresh deck!

Or you could Trump your opponent ( sorry, couldn't resist it)

 

[JackLuis]

Noam Chomsky: Bernie Sanders isn’t a radical — he’s basically Eisenhower

Bernie Sanders is considered radical — but Noam Chomsky said his positions actually enjoy broad support.

Chomsky said the Vermont senator and Democratic presidential candidate’s platform wasn’t all that different from Republican President Dwight Eisenhower, reported Democracy Now.

“He’s considered radical and extremist, which is a pretty interesting characterization, because he’s basically a mainstream New Deal Democrat,” Chomsky said. “His positions would not have surprised President Eisenhower, who said, in fact, that anyone who does not accept New Deal programs doesn’t belong in the American political system. That’s now considered very radical.”

Hillary is basically Berry Goldwater.

 

[mikey2much]

calm down Jackluis

Goldwater was saying he would use atomic bombs to win in Vietnam. Hilary might be a hawk but she ain't no Goldwater.

Goldwater was the target of the famous ad where they have a countdown while a small girl picks petals from a flower, then you see the flash and the mushroom cloud and a voice says war is not good for children and other living things.

 

[JackLuis]

Goldwater was saying he would use atomic bombs to win in Vietnam. Hilary might be a hawk but she ain't no Goldwater.

Goldwater was the target of the famous ad where they have a countdown while a small girl picks petals from a flower, then you see the flash and the mushroom cloud and a voice says war is not good for children and other living things.

Saw that the first time.

Yeah Hillary probably wouldn't nuke anyone, but she'd send the B-52s in to fuck over Syria, even if half of them would never get home.

It's no doubt that she'd be better than Trump/Cruz but that's like saying Dengue Fever is better than Ebola.

 

[mikey2much]

sad but true

We have been choosing the lesser of the two evils for years, that's how we got to this place.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The last election was the greater of two goods. The one before that would have been if Palin weren't batshit. I guess '04 was pretty dismal.

 

[Real_American17]

Goldwater was saying he would use atomic bombs to win in Vietnam.

Sounds like a good idea.

 

[The_Trouvere]

I want Bernie Sanders to stay in the race until the last primary election. Then he should give a gracious concession speech. He should say something like:

"This campaign has not been about me but about issues that are important to me and those who voted for me. I am particularly concerned with the fact economic growth goes increasingly to profits rather than pay raises. Even though the economy is growing, most Americans earn pay checks that buy less every year.

"I can say after St. Paul, who said it better than I could in II Timothy 4:7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith.

"I have always liked Hillary and Bill Clinton. The first Clinton administration was a good one for most Americans. I am confident that the second Clinton administration will be a good one too. I ask my supporters to vote for Mrs. Clinton in the general election, while occasionally reminding her why you voted for me."

I voted for Bernie Sanders in my state's primary. I have always liked what he had to say. I have never really been confident that he was the best leader to advance his agenda. He is 74 years old. Right now he seems to be physically and mentally vigorous. How long can that last? A stroke or Alzheimer's disease could put him out of commission.

Good intentions are not good enough. If the government is going to play a larger role in the economy, as I want it to, the government must be competently led. With the Clinton's if we elect one we get one free. Hillary and Bill Clinton are two of the most intelligent politicians of the present era.

If Hillary Clinton wins the presidency I hope and believe that she will give Bernie Sanders a position in her cabinet. He would make a good Secretary of Labor.

 

[mikey2much]

I would have to agree on all points

Nicely stated. They weren't perfect, they had their problems back in Arkansas with Tyson foods. But that is just business as usual for a politician. Whitewater was a made up scandal similar to the planned parenthood thing going on now, NAFTA is a crime he should be held to account over. He crossed the line and went against the dems to vote with the republicans to pass it. He sold out.

I am not so sure that she sold out. her record of voting doesn't show it if she has. She is more of a hawk and more of a drug warrior than I would like. But she is a pro and she does know which way the wind is blowing. I trust her more than anyone else in the race.

 

[The_Trouvere]

Nicely stated. They weren't perfect, they had their problems back in Arkansas with Tyson foods. But that is just business as usual for a politician. Whitewater was a made up scandal similar to the planned parenthood thing going on now, NAFTA is a crime he should be held to account over. He crossed the line and went against the dems to vote with the republicans to pass it. He sold out.

I am not so sure that she sold out. her record of voting doesn't show it if she has. She is more of a hawk and more of a drug warrior than I would like. But she is a pro and she does know which way the wind is blowing. I trust her more than anyone else in the race.

I supported NAFTA at the time. Since then the apprehensions voiced by Ross Perot have been substantiated by events.

 

[BotanyBoy]

NAFTA is a crime he should be held to account over. He crossed the line and went against the dems to vote with the republicans to pass it. He sold out.

So will (R)odham... as soon as she's in office all the lefty shit she' wouldn't be caught dead backing a year ago is going to go the fuck out the window, just like hope and change did.

We will get more monsanto protection acts....deregulation of too big to fail.....'reform' that is really just a new law to make a new group of corporate goons rich while giving the public the bare minimum licking needed to get it passed like ACA. She praises Obama for that stuff 24/7....every time she's on TV she sucks him so hard his fuckin' eyeballs are at risk of imploding.

 

[JackLuis]

http://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/b5281ba/2147483647/resize/1200x%3E/format/png/quality/85/?url=%2Fcmsmedia%2F2a%2Fdf%2F1edb6f574ae6b63202735feebfb4%2F20160411edloc-a.tif​

 

[mikey2much]

It was a real eye-opener

the way that all the media ignored him, even NPR, makes you wonder about the 'free press'. They all seemed to be following orders. The silence on the fate of whistle-blowers, the drone attacks we never hear about unless they go bad, and then we first hear abut them through the foreign press.

The information we used to count on the press to tell us is missing these days.

What I would like to know is what segment of the government gives them their orders.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Nothing about Sanders is sexy. How many debates have there been and how many unique moments has he had? The man is the very definition of a one trick pony.

I don't know when you were born but none of those things have been regular parts of the news since the 90's at the latest. Certainly no reason to buy into a conspiracy that goes any farther than they like money.

 

[Real_American17]

Bernie is a shill for the Zionist, just another Marxist trying to stir the pot and cause racial and class division, to weaken us for the coming attack!

 

[SexyAlison]

*sanders says the same thing he always does during a rally, debate, interview, etc*

"WHY ISNT THE MEDIA COVERING THIS? CONSPIRACY "

 

[sr71plt]

*sanders says the same thing he always does during a rally, debate, interview, etc*

"WHY ISNT THE MEDIA COVERING THIS? CONSPIRACY "

And what makes me scratch my head is that I only know he's saying that because the media actually did cover it when I was tuned into the media in order for me to know he said it.

I don't get this "the media doesn't cover me." He's on the CNN I occasionally watch all the time. And the coverage he's getting usually stresses that he's doing a lot better than expected than pointing out that at no time has he been winning. He's always been slipping further and further behind--just not by nearly as much nearly as fast as had been projected.

 

[SexyAlison]

And what makes me scratch my head is that I only know he's saying that because the media actually did cover it when I was tuned into the media in order for me to know he said it.

I don't get this "the media doesn't cover me." He's on the CNN I occasionally watch all the time. And the coverage he's getting usually stresses that he's doing a lot better than expected than pointing out that at no time has he been winning. He's always been slipping further and further behind--just not by nearly as much nearly as fast as had been projected.

For the people complaining about lack of media coverage for Sanders, my question is why do you think that is the Case? Is it because he's not an establishment candidate? I'd say Donald Trump isn't an establishment candidate but he gets more coverage than anyone, so I don't buy that reason.

Bernie gets covered plenty. From what I've seen, pretty equal with Clinton, though that will likely change since sanders is done at this point.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Well part of it is just whining. People do that a lot. But also Sanders is boring. I can listen to a single town hall about him and have learned everything there is to know about him.

And what makes me scratch my head is that I only know he's saying that because the media actually did cover it when I was tuned into the media in order for me to know he said it.

I don't get this "the media doesn't cover me." He's on the CNN I occasionally watch all the time. And the coverage he's getting usually stresses that he's doing a lot better than expected than pointing out that at no time has he been winning. He's always been slipping further and further behind--just not by nearly as much nearly as fast as had been projected.

Uhh. . . .no comprende. IS that like 60% of the time it works everytime?

 

[sr71plt]

Well part of it is just whining. People do that a lot. But also Sanders is boring. I can listen to a single town hall about him and have learned everything there is to know about him.




Uhh. . . .no comprende. IS that like 60% of the time it works everytime?

I only occasionally watch CNN (or any TV for that matter). But when I do, he's often right there, receiving coverage.

I have always watched CNN post commentary on the debates and primaries, for example, and I think the CNN panels have been quite balanced--to include dingaling bimbos being permitted to pimp Trump and Cruz in the most blatant terms.

 

[mikey2much]

Back in the beginning of the campaign

The news people would tell you about Hilary riding in her van going from coffee shop to coffee, where she would talk to twenty or so people. Trump relies on his willingness to make outlandish statements to get the spotlight. Hilary had it from the beginning.

But Bernie would be talking to thousands in football stadiums and they never send a reporter to record what he had to say. I tend to agree with Pilot on many things, he watches the world and draws sensible conclusions. I can't see how you could think Bernie was treated fairly.

There seemed to be a trend to downplay Bernie every chance the media got, When they did cover him it would be in a condescending tone. Often in the form of an aside between the talking heads of the network, always with that shake of the head or some sign that he was a joke.

That changed when his groundswell of support began to reveal itself. I think that is the big story about Bernie, he has revealed the support that is just waiting for the right leader. Hilary ain't that person but she can fill in until the real thing arrives on the scene.

Maybe in 2020 if Hilary does badly or 2024 if Hilary does good, Warren will step up.

She could be the one we all thought Obama was.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I only occasionally watch CNN (or any TV for that matter). But when I do, he's often right there, receiving coverage.

I have always watched CNN post commentary on the debates and primaries, for example, and I think the CNN panels have been quite balanced--to include dingaling bimbos being permitted to pimp Trump and Cruz in the most blatant terms.

I'm sorry I wish I known you were going to set me up to give you a "The Most Interesting man in the world" line here but I didn't have one prepared.

Pilot doesn't always watch television, but when he does they're covering him.

Best I could do on short notice.