Scream it out! Roe v. Wade edition

[base10]

They knew they were lying, too. The Federalist Society has been working towards this for a generation. That was the original deal the old school GOP made with trump to support him. Appoint our choices for judges, and we’ll ignore or cover for your idiotic nonsense. He had no clue or care about the judges, so it was an easy yes for him. They didn’t plan on him becoming so ‘beloved’ by their base, and now they have to continue playing his game or risk being primaried and taken out. They hate him as much as we do, but their long game resulted in 20% of the current federal judiciary being right wing lunatics. Unqualified, young, activist zealots.
It will take 50 years to undo the damage done by that administration, if ever.

I'm not sure either if I can be undone or not. But if it's going to be undone is going to take not just some major structural changes, but a major shift in the attitude of a large portion of the electorate.

Things would be wholly better if people stopped voting for bad and disingenuous people.

We both want to help and make things better, but disagree on how best to do that...fine that's politics and that works. But that's not what we have now.

 

[KatieDoes]

I'm not sure either if I can be undone or not. But if it's going to be undone is going to take not just some major structural changes, but a major shift in the attitude of a large portion of the electorate.

Things would be wholly better if people stopped voting for bad and disingenuous people.

We both want to help and make things better, but disagree on how best to do that...fine that's politics and that works. But that's not what we have now.

The electorate supports Roe V Wade. 70% of americans believe that abortion should be legal. It’s telling that GOP is confident enough in their gerrymandering and voter suppression to push for something that 70% of the country opposes. But they did the same thing with DACA. It has similar approval, and they still opposed it. Utterly craven and contemptible.

 

[base10]

The electorate supports Roe V Wade. 70% of americans believe that abortion should be legal. It’s telling that GOP is confident enough in their gerrymandering and voter suppression to push for something that 70% of the country opposes. But they did the same thing with DACA. It has similar approval, and they still opposed it. Utterly craven and contemptible.

Something like 70% of Americans live in 15 states. So 30% of Americans elected 70 Senators.

That's a not proportionate representation of the population nor a sustainable governing structure. That's how we end up with these issues

 

[KatieDoes]

Something like 70% of Americans live in 15 states. So 30% of Americans elected 70 Senators.

That's a not proportionate representation of the population nor a sustainable governing structure. That's how we end up with these issues

We currently have 5 SCOTUS justices that were appointed by presidents that lost the popular vote. They do not represent the will of the people at all.

This system is broken. Burn it down.

 

[LustfulIntentions2]

We currently have 5 SCOTUS justices that were appointed by presidents that lost the popular vote. They do not represent the will of the people at all.

This system is broken. Burn it down.

You are my people, I thinks

 

[KatieDoes]

You are my people, I thinks

There are more of us than them. We just need to fight harder, and dirtier. While we can. We’re on the brink of a fascist coup, and most of the country cares more about Johnny Depp and Amber Heard than Clarence and Ginny Thomas, her role in the insurrection and his role in trying to cover it up. Complacency is going to destroy this republic if we don’t wake up.

 

[parker77]

If you support a party that is actively working to eliminate the rights of my friends and family, I know everything I need to know.

actually, you have no idea how i vote or what political party i support, if any. you’re living on your assumptions. but that’s your choice. i wish you Ms. Elle all the best. enjoy your day.

 

[KatieDoes]

actually, you have no idea how i vote or what political party i support, if any. you’re living on your assumptions. but that’s your choice. i wish you Ms. Elle all the best. enjoy your day.

My statement began with ‘if you’ not ‘I know that you’

Feel free to read it again, less defensively.

 

[parker77]

My statement began with ‘if you’ not ‘I know that you’

Feel free to read it again, less defensively.

i don’t understand. if i read it correctly, a few posts ago you went to great lenghts to make it very clear that you would not allow that i could hold conservative points of view and not support the Republican Party. that’s what made me conclude the intent of your most recent reply. so, sincerely, i ask, are you making room for the possibility that my “conservative” beliefs don’t necessarily manifest themselves in my support or lack thereof of a particular party?

 

[Diosax]

actually, you have no idea how i vote or what political party i support, if any. you’re living on your assumptions. but that’s your choice. i wish you Ms. Elle all the best. enjoy your day.

Okay cut the bullshit

How do you vote?
Did you vote for trump?

Dude lol

 

[parker77]

Okay cut the bullshit

How do you vote?
Did you vote for trump?

Dude lol

neither time.

 

[Diosax]

neither time.

But you are republican?

 

[aussiegeekygal]

asking someone how they voted is kinda like asking someone if they had an abortion... None of our business, right?

The difference being my abortion doesn't affect anyone else directly in the greater scheme of things but the voting thing absolutely does.

*Says the Australian who can't vote in American elections because she refuses to naturalize

 

[Diosax]

asking someone how they voted is kinda like asking someone if they had an abortion... None of our business, right?

The difference being my abortion doesn't affect anyone else directly in the greater scheme of things but the voting thing absolutely does.

*Says the Australian who can't vote in American elections because she refuses to naturalize

He is crying that we are making assumptions about who supports. I'm asking so we don't assume.

He can choose not to answer.

Dude lol. Does Australia not have dual citizenship?? You should naturalize asap

 

[aussiegeekygal]

He is crying that we are making assumptions about who supports. I'm asking so we don't assume.

He can choose not to answer.

Dude lol. Does Australia not have dual citizenship?? You should naturalize asap

Nah.
I'm leaving America and don't want to deal with the IRS once I'm gone.

 

[parker77]

But you are republican?

independent

by the way, not crying

 

[KatieDoes]

i don’t understand. if i read it correctly, a few posts ago you went to great lenghts to make it very clear that you would not allow that i could hold conservative points of view and not support the Republican Party. that’s what made me conclude the intent of your most recent reply. so, sincerely, i ask, are you making room for the possibility that my “conservative” beliefs don’t necessarily manifest themselves in my support or lack thereof of a particular party?

No, you did not read it correctly. Anyone that is truly conservative could not support the party of trump. You are, again, welcome to scroll back and reread.

However, this is an open forum. You are more than welcome to clarify yourself, express your beliefs, and explain how you consider yourself a conservative that also doesn’t want to force your views on others. Rather than play this silly passive aggressive game where you don’t actually voice any opinions, but pout about how no one understands your opinions. It’s not my responsibility to hold your hand and coax responses and explanations out of you, or make you feel more comfortable voicing them. Speak up or don‘t. It’s not that difficult.

 

[Stillrandy]

The aspect of all this that confounds me is the absence of discussion about the part played by the father. Even if that male is 'only the sperm donor' or whatever. The father(s) need to be:

• held accountable for their actions.
• included in the discussion of whether or not the mother has an abortion, even to signing a consent document.
• able to oppose the abortion or insist upon it if so desired.

Of course, if the father is unavailable or unwilling, it is up to the mother. I don't know the law on this subject, but the almost complete lack of conversation about the role/responsibility of the male/father bothers me.

 

[Dribble]

I have been saying the same things here for almost a decade...and most here laughed at my views. Now who's laughing? Ain't shit you can do now is there?

 

[parker77]

You’re not being “mocked” either, like you stated in another post.

thanks for the clarification.

 

[aussiegeekygal]

The aspect of all this that confounds me is the absence of discussion about the part played by the father. Even if that male is 'only the sperm donor' or whatever. The father(s) need to be:

• held accountable for their actions.
• included in the discussion of whether or not the mother has an abortion, even to signing a consent document.
• able to oppose the abortion or insist upon it if so desired.

Of course, if the father is unavailable or unwilling, it is up to the mother. I don't know the law on this subject, but the almost complete lack of conversation about the role/responsibility of the male/father bothers me.

So my rectum is protuding outside my body because of pregnancy and childbirth...

I need to have reconstructive surgery on my pelvic floor because I can't walk properly.

This isn't a small, insignificant thing.

I was a competitive athlete and childbirth was the hardest thing I've ever done physically.

 

[aussiegeekygal]

And… honestly, this post is SO disturbing and misogynist, I’m actually a bit queasy.

Next they'll be telling me I need my husband's permission to have the tumors excised from my ovaries.

 

[aussiegeekygal]

The aspect of all this that confounds me is the absence of discussion about the part played by the father. Even if that male is 'only the sperm donor' or whatever. The father(s) need to be:

• held accountable for their actions.
• included in the discussion of whether or not the mother has an abortion, even to signing a consent document.
• able to oppose the abortion or insist upon it if so desired.

Of course, if the father is unavailable or unwilling, it is up to the mother. I don't know the law on this subject, but the almost complete lack of conversation about the role/responsibility of the male/father bothers me.

Serious question: how do you feel about organ donation? If someone doesn't want their liver given to another person when they die, but there is someone that  really needs it: what's to be done?

 

[KatieDoes]

The aspect of all this that confounds me is the absence of discussion about the part played by the father. Even if that male is 'only the sperm donor' or whatever. The father(s) need to be:

• held accountable for their actions.
• included in the discussion of whether or not the mother has an abortion, even to signing a consent document.
• able to oppose the abortion or insist upon it if so desired.

Of course, if the father is unavailable or unwilling, it is up to the mother. I don't know the law on this subject, but the almost complete lack of conversation about the role/responsibility of the male/father bothers me.

Men’s legal authority to approve or prevent the birth of a baby lies in where they opt to deposit their sperm.

If they do not want to be legally responsible for a child, they have the option of not willfully depositing their sperm anywhere within reach of a fertilized egg and womb.

Just as I can’t decide that I want your kidney, and legally require you to donate that part of your body to me, you can’t decide what I do with my body. Period.

 

[aussiegeekygal]

Men’s legal authority to approve or prevent the birth of a baby lies in where they opt to deposit their sperm.

If they do not want to be legally responsible for a child, they have the option of not willfully depositing their sperm anywhere within reach of a fertilized egg and womb.

Just as I can’t decide that I want your kidney, and legally require you to donate that part of your body to me, you can’t decide what I do with my body. Period.

#prochoice