Scream it out! Roe v. Wade edition

[parker77]

No, you did not read it correctly. Anyone that is truly conservative could not support the party of trump. You are, again, welcome to scroll back and reread.

However, this is an open forum. You are more than welcome to clarify yourself, express your beliefs, and explain how you consider yourself a conservative that also doesn’t want to force your views on others. Rather than play this silly passive aggressive game where you don’t actually voice any opinions, but pout about how no one understands your opinions. It’s not my responsibility to hold your hand and coax responses and explanations out of you, or make you feel more comfortable voicing them. Speak up or don‘t. It’s not that difficult.

i think you’re right. the best thing to do here is drop the “conservatism” debate and speak frankly. since this forum is about abortion, i’ll limit my comments to that topic.

i have a moral objection to abortion, but i don’t think that criminalizing abortion is the best way to govern. i don’t care to further punish someone who is likely already been through a life changing, traumatic ordeal. further, it’s easy to see how polarizing this issue is and how it rips us apart and i care more about the future of our country than i care about having my way. while i’d like for there never to be another abortion again, that’s my personal view and i realize that’s not a realistic public policy. imho, there should be reasonable parameters on when an abortion is legal upon which a majotity of people in this country can agree. i also think there should be honest and meaningful effort to prevent unwanted pregnancies.

that’s my two cents. agree or disagree, ok. that’s your opinion.

 

[aussiegeekygal]

. i also think there should be honest and meaningful effort to prevent unwanted pregnancies.

Agreed!
This is how to stop abortion. Give people the ability to avoid pregnancy in the first place

I hope we can count on your support to keep our access available, regardless of your personal objections.

My uterus thanks you.

And a gentle reminder there are some of us who have had to decide the fate of very wanted pregnancies.

 

[aussiegeekygal]

Are vasectomies actually reversible??

I know there was research on a polymer that cute injected into the vas deferens and it could be dissolved at a later date.

It just kind of... Disappeared

 

[parker77]

Agreed!
This is how to stop abortion. Give people the ability to avoid pregnancy in the first place

I hope we can count on your support to keep our access available, regardless of your personal objections.

My uterus thanks you.

And a gentle reminder there are some of us who have had to decide the fate of very wanted pregnancies.

thanks for the gentle reminder. i can’t even imagine.

i’ve always been and always will be a supporter of birth control.

it’s so curious to me how we are built. we have an incredible desire to procreate and we (men at least) are at our peak of physical procreation prowess in our youth (teens and early 20s) when we have impulse control that is nearly nonexistent. i don’t know, maybe thats the best way to ensure survival of the species, but it fucks with modern society like crazy.

 

[aussiegeekygal]

thanks for the gentle reminder. i can’t even imagine.

i’ve always been and always will be a supporter of birth control.

it’s so curious to me how we are built. we have an incredible desire to procreate and we (men at least) are at our peak of physical procreation prowess in our youth (teens and early 20s) when we have impulse control that is nearly nonexistent. i don’t know, maybe thats the best way to ensure survival of the species, but it fucks with modern society like crazy.

Ironically it's the older guys who are trying to strip our rights away.

The young guys are on our side

 

[HornyJunkMail]

"First they came for the trade unionists ..."

 

[Stillrandy]

It’s up to the woman. Period. It’s her body.

Her body, certainly. Some thought needs to be given to the baby; after all, the baby is one who will live or not live depending on the outcome of the abortion decision. And the baby has a mother and a father. The baby is as much the father's as the mother's. And that, for me, is why the father should have a role in the discussion. For me, also, the father's rights and responsibilities do not end when he 'deposits' the sperm as someone above called it. All I am suggesting is that the father not be left out of the conversation....

 

[parker77]

https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/vasectomy-reversal/about/pac-20384537

30% to 90% pregnancy rates after reversal. i wonder if the mandatory vasectomy policy would result in a 10% to 70% decline in population.

 

[aussiegeekygal]

Her body, certainly. Some thought needs to be given to the baby; after all, the baby is one who will live or not live depending on the outcome of the abortion decision. And the baby has a mother and a father. The baby is as much the father's as the mother's. And that, for me, is why the father should have a role in the discussion. For me, also, the father's rights and responsibilities do not end when he 'deposits' the sperm as someone above called it. All I am suggesting is that the father not be left out of the conversation....

Can you please answer the question about organ donation?

 

[aussiegeekygal]

30% to 90% pregnancy rates after reversal. i wonder if the mandatory vasectomy policy would result in a 10% to 70% decline in population.

It's funny, because we're completely ok with those odds being thrust onto women and infertility

 

[cheekygirl75]

The baby is as much the father's as the mother's.

No. Until the father puts his health & life at risk to bring a baby into the world, the fetus (not a baby yet) is more the mother's. The mother's decision is the only one that matters, unless *she* chooses to let someone else's matter.

 

[parker77]

It's funny, because we're completely ok with those odds being thrust onto women and infertility

is infertility in women that high after using birth control, because i had no idea?

 

[aussiegeekygal]

is infertility in women that high after using birth control, because i had no idea?

Oh, yeah

Another fun fact, there's a chronic lack of medical research for women in general.

There's an alarming gender disparity in medical research

 

[aussiegeekygal]

Yeah. Hormones wreak with people. Men don’t usually know because they don’t have to take them to prevent getting pregnant.

Not to mention inflammatory issues with physical devices.

That's how much we don't want to be pregnant

 

[parker77]

So, mandatory vasectomies which can be reversed when a man is physically, financially, and emotionally ready to deal with the repercussions of his sperm?

I’m in.

btw, with those conditions, the number of vasectomies reversed may be deminimis.

 

[aussiegeekygal]

deminimis

I have only ever heard this term when talking about taxes

I got a good chuckle out of that one

 

[aussiegeekygal]

I'm betting a certain Floridian is pretty upset at all these "overeducated women" in here...

 

[aussiegeekygal]

That’s why they get all the hot progressive ass.

They can suck my commie cooter (literally, not figuratively)

 

[parker77]

Not to mention inflammatory issues with physical devices.

That's how much we don't want to be pregnant

so, can’t we fix the issues with birth control research and innovation of methods? i mean, in addition to the humanitarian and reproductive advances, there’s probably some financial incentive. gotta be somebody who can be convinced.

 

[parker77]

That’s why they get all the hot progressive ass.

wow, i’m fucked (figuratively not literally) on so many levels.

 

[aussiegeekygal]

so, can’t we fix the issues with birth control research and innovation of methods? i mean, in addition to the humanitarian and reproductive advances, there’s probably some financial incentive. gotta be somebody who can be convinced.

Warren Buffett is on it.

But you're right, this does deserve more attention.

Again- we're counting on you to help advocate for us. For some stupid reason, the men in charge are really reluctant to listen to vulva owners

Use your penis for good, man!

 

[Stillrandy]

Can you please answer the question about organ donation?

"Serious question: how do you feel about organ donation? If someone doesn't want their liver given to another person when they die, but there is someone that  really needs it: what's to be done?"

The question feels like a 'Tu quoque' argument and I'm not sure how it relates to the thread issue. There are any number of moral/ethical/legal situations in which one's opinion may appear to be inconsistent with the topic at hand.

In any case, I am in favor of organ donation after death. I hope someone might benefit from my liver or whatever is found usable after I pass. I would appreciate it if the doctor(s) would make sure I was completely dead before proceeding however....

 

[aussiegeekygal]

"Serious question: how do you feel about organ donation? If someone doesn't want their liver given to another person when they die, but there is someone that  really needs it: what's to be done?"

The question feels like a 'Tu quoque' argument and I'm not sure how it relates to the thread issue. There are any number of moral/ethical/legal situations in which one's opinion may appear to be inconsistent with the topic at hand.

In any case, I am in favor of organ donation after death. I hope someone might benefit from my liver or whatever is found usable after I pass. I would appreciate it if the doctor(s) would make sure I was completely dead before proceeding however....

Sure. But do you think we should take an organ against someone's wishes?

It's going to save a life after all...

 

[Xerxes82]

included in the discussion of whether or not the mother has an abortion, even to signing a consent document.

Where does this end? What if the father raped her? What if the pregnancy threatens the mother's life? Does a father get to say, "Well she never fucked me again, so I don't care about her. But that's my baby and she'll birth it of it kills her!"? And I promise you some dude out there WILL exercise this just to spite some woman who stopped returning his booty calls.

Can you legally coerce the mother to give up smoking or alchohol? To control when, where and with whom she seeks medical care? Can you dictate her nutritional intake? Force her into a fitness regime?

What about driving? Potentially high risk activity, after all.

And why wait for a pregnancy? If any sex could result in pregnancy, why not assert this right over all women, all the time? Surely putting your dick in her is claim staked?

And once the child is born, does it go the other way? You now have a significant financial responsibility. Women have some small recourse for child support, but what if you have heart disease? Your survival may be essential to that child's well being. Can mom force you to diet and exercise? Can we give her legal recourse to dictate you health outcomes? What about employment decisions? Shouldn't you quitting a job require a consent document?

 

[parker77]

Worth a try!

i like aussie’s dissolving vas deferens block idea. kinda like a male iud, but it melts.